[gentoo-amd64] Re: Printer Setup
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:55:27 -0500: Probably an MFC-7420, like mine, or possibly one of it's big brothers. They have cups, lpd, and sane drivers available for x86 linux, but no support for other arches (including x86_64) last time I checked. They do have a separate cups driver that allows faxing from your desktop. Just checked 2nite. MFC-8220 IIRC, so it's the big brother. Are those drivers closed source (in which case no way, I prefer FLOSS drivers, thanks, and certainly won't be putting any of my money into anything without them, Linux non-support that closed source ultimately is), or open but simply not ported to amd64/x86_64 yet? Regardless of what others choose, I choose not to run what I see as slaveryware, period, no negotiation even possible. As I'm on x86_64 and don't need a scanner much, I looked for other cups drivers that were available from portage and found the Brother MFC-9600 Foomatic/hl1250' driver worked fine for simple printing. FWIW, I think Brother wants to be linux friendly, but haven't (for whatever reason) but a lot of effort behind it. That could well be. Of course, if they simply open the specs sufficiently, the community will often provide drivers without company effort, and even in the corner cases where they don't, they'll often run with the drivers once supplied, leaving the company free of worrying about continued investment and support. FWIW, I don't play NVidia's or ATI's current Linux support games either. If it's not free as in speech, it doesn't get installed. Simple as that. That's why I'm running Radeon 9200 series here, as that was the last of their free products. Anyway, thanks for the info. Very useful! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Printer Setup
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Probably an MFC-7420, like mine, or possibly one of it's big brothers. They have cups, lpd, and sane drivers available for x86 linux, but no support for other arches (including x86_64) last time I checked. They do have a separate cups driver that allows faxing from your desktop. As I'm on x86_64 and don't need a scanner much, I looked for other cups drivers that were available from portage and found the Brother MFC-9600 Foomatic/hl1250' driver worked fine for simple printing. Actually, cups drivers are binaries, so you could just use the x86 driver on a x86_64 system. It shouldn't really be slower either. Paul -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-amd64] Re: Printer Setup
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:25:50 +0200: Actually, cups drivers are binaries, so you could just use the x86 driver on a x86_64 system. It shouldn't really be slower either. Need multilib, tho? -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64
Simon Stelling wrote: Hi all, It finally happened: openoffice is expected to compile and work natively on amd64. In fact, I have just removed the package.mask entry. Versions starting from 2.0.4 should work and are therefore marked testing on amd64 (i.e. there still might be problems - please file bugs if you find any). That also means that you no longer need to run a multilib profile just because you need openoffice. That's fantastic news! I'll wait a few hours for the mirrors to propagate the change, then I'll try it out. One more piece of nice 64-bit software for me. :-) Sebastian Redl -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64
It finally happened: openoffice is expected to compile and work natively on amd64. In fact, I have just removed the package.mask entry. Versions starting from 2.0.4 should work and are therefore marked testing on amd64 (i.e. there still might be problems - please file bugs if you find any). That also means that you no longer need to run a multilib profile just because you need openoffice. I had seen it this morning, and I though What?! :) Which are the real advantages in compiling OOo instead of using -bin? Except the multilib thing? I've heard of aging compilation times... :) thanks maxxer -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-amd64] Brother printers and Linux (was: Printer Setup)
On Monday 16 October 2006 02:29, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-amd64] Re: Printer Setup': Are those drivers closed source (in which case no way, I prefer FLOSS drivers, thanks, and certainly won't be putting any of my money into anything without them, Linux non-support that closed source ultimately is), or open but simply not ported to amd64/x86_64 yet? IIRC, they do have one GPL'd driver but I believe it's just a cups-lpd or lpd-cups gateway driver... If you can find their linux pages, they do have some documentation about the licensing, but I don't believe their licenses pass the DSFG -- I seem to remember pulling their drivers from the non-free repository when I was trying to get them to work on my laptop. Of course, if they simply open the specs sufficiently, the community will often provide drivers without company effort No doubt. I'd prefer open specifications over open drivers anyday; it makes whatever driver exist much more maintainable and portable. Usually, open drivers mean we can reverse-engineer a specification, but that's tricky at best. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpSv8QOGaG7L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Printer Setup
On Monday 16 October 2006 05:25, Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Printer Setup': Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Probably an MFC-7420, like mine, or possibly one of it's big brothers. They have cups, lpd, and sane drivers available for x86 linux, but no support for other arches (including x86_64) last time I checked. Actually, cups drivers are binaries, so you could just use the x86 driver on a x86_64 system. It shouldn't really be slower either. That makes sense. I know the sane drivers are 32-bit libraries, so my 64-bit sane instalaltion refused to load them. I ran into other problems with the install (Gentoo isn't offically supported) and I've had good luck with trying alternate printer drivers on other systems (including while I was on Windows) so I just did that. I hear those issue with the install are either fixed or have been clearly documented with workarounds. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpv6htOuSl3Y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64
On Monday 16 October 2006 06:30, Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64': It finally happened: openoffice is expected to compile and work natively on amd64. Woot! Of course, I've been using KOffice when I needed an office suite and it does everything I need. Many thanks go to Jon Severinsson who provided us with patches and did a lot of testing! Mine included. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpvqvdeM5kIP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64
On Monday 16 October 2006 08:03, Lorenzo Milesi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64': It finally happened: openoffice is expected to compile and work natively on amd64. I had seen it this morning, and I though What?! :) Which are the real advantages in compiling OOo instead of using -bin? Well, it certainly looks and feels different when compiled with the kde useflag, or at least did on my x86 laptop. Also, the version I compiled on my memory-starved 2.4GHz P4 laptop started 5-10 times faster then the binary version installed on my 2.2GHz 4GB RAM 2x Dual-core Opteron monster. OOo-bin sucked so much on AMD64 (for me, it's subjective) that I loved it when KOffice finally became usable for me. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpfZt1FfilNo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64
Lorenzo Milesi wrote: Which are the real advantages in compiling OOo instead of using -bin? Except the multilib thing? I've heard of aging compilation times... :) 7h here on a 3200+, so yes, this is an ebuild to start before going to bed :) thanks maxxer -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] OpenOffice.org natively available for AMD64
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 15:03 +0200, Lorenzo Milesi wrote: I've heard of aging compilation times... :) Well, it's getting better, this is with -j1 (forced by ebuild, didn't set WANT_MP) on my Athlon64 3000+: Sat Oct 14 08:01:44 2006 app-office/openoffice-2.0.4 merge time: 4 hours, 49 minutes and 49 seconds. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Digest of gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org issue 129 (6077-6126)
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