Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Brent Baude (ranger)
Tom Martin wrote: >Hi list, > >Brent lives in Rochester, Minnesota, in the US. There he fills his days >working for the IBM Corporation as a Team LEad and Linux Consultant, >where his primary responsibility is to help people port hteir >applications to Linux running on the IBM POWER4, POWER5, and JS20 >platforms. > >While he does use Gentoo for his primary workstation and all his home >boxes, Brent's interest in becoming a Gentoo developer is to help >support the ppc64 and ppc archs for Gentoo. Of late, it's been in trying >to whip the stage building and new livecds into shape. > >Brent is married and a father of two boys. When not working, he is an >avid outdoors-man; specifically, he is most passionate about hunting >pheasants, ducks and geese while training his two yellow Labrador >Retrievers. > >Please say 'Hi' to Brent on IRC, and make him feel welcome. > >Regards, >Tom > > > Congrats ranger - good to have you on board. -- Omkhar Arasaratnam Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Enterprise deployment tools
Thierry Carrez wrote: >Hi folks, > >I would like to get your opinion on Enterprise-oriented desktop >deployment tools for Gentoo Linux (or the lack of). > >As a small company CIO, I deployed Gentoo on a small scale here but >quickly ran into scaling problems and the lack of tools to help. > >There is no obvious way to freeze a Portage tree (or to design a >specific profile) for testing on a golden workstation, > Why not? Just don't update the portage tree > to build a set of >update packages (ServicePack) and push it to the workstations, or to >have centralized accountability of what's installed where. > set make.conf to point to a static tree stored somewhere which you update as time permits. You could even create an /etc/init.d script that would check for updates (emerge --sync) against your QA'ed frozen tree at each boot. >There is no >easy way to avoid having to keep a synchronized copy of the portage tree >on all systems, even when using yourown-binaries. > > see above >With automatic deployments, would we run into difficult-to-solve >etc-update problems ? Should/could the ServicePack system take care of >that ? > > etc-update would continue to be a problem >Even in a simpler setup (preprod > production) we don't have the tools >to push a software configuration change from a test machine to a >production one. > >What tools are missing ? Is it our job to provide them ? Can it >reasonably be done ? Am I just wrong to want to use Gentoo in that >direction ? > >Next week: Gentoo-as-a-metadistribution tools :) > > > I think most of the assumptions that you're making involve giving your user population root access. Don't Lock down your make.conf and only roll up update when you deem is neccassary using your internal tree. etc-update may still be an issue -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Daniel Drake wrote: >Omkhar Arasaratnam wrote: > > >>That said, we're not RedHat. We ship as MANY features as we can and let >>the user decide. I agree that it is valuable to get reiser4 testing done >>up front. Eventually - some people will use it. Last I checked "I think >>$FOO is stupid" wasn't a valid closure code in bugzilla ;-) >> >> > >Then you have different views from the kernel project :) > >We and try and make our kernel (gentoo-sources) _more_ stable than the >official Linux releases. We mainly stick to bug fixes decreed worthy by the >upstream developers, etc. We never include patches when we know of problems >that they will introduce. > >Daniel > > Sorry I was unclear - what I meant was that we wouldn't remove all support for an fs from portage. As an example if/when reiserfs4 merges into mainline we wouldn't be ripping out all the userland support and vanilla-kernel support. You are completely correct regarding gentoo-sources, though I don't believe this was the point of the original discussion. -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Luca Barbato wrote: >Kumba wrote: > > > >>I'm just stating this, because once reiserfs4 goes mainline (I believe >>it's in -mm currently), we are bound to have users hitting various bumps >>and ruts in the road using it, and if they file bugs to our bugzilla >>that aren't related to patches we produce, then they'll likely wind up >>closed as invalid and such. This saves the users time, and may get them >>the answers they seek (or at least a resolution of some kind). It also >>saves our bug-wranglers time by now having to deal with more invalid bugs. >> >> >> > >We can always patch the problem in the g-s ^^ > >Given reiserfs4 is around for enough time and lots of brave users tested >it, it MAY be not so unstable. (still I like jfs and xfs more, and I use >them just for transient data (large video and image processing tests and >so on)) > > > As a ppc64 arch and can officially state that reiser4fs is very unstable under ppc64 as of the last time I checked, which was some where in the 2.6.12rc cycle plus mm patch. That said, we're not RedHat. We ship as MANY features as we can and let the user decide. I agree that it is valuable to get reiser4 testing done up front. Eventually - some people will use it. Last I checked "I think $FOO is stupid" wasn't a valid closure code in bugzilla ;-) -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Andrew Muraco wrote: >Linux-2.6.12 is officially out according to kernel.org >I have not tried this, I'm waiting on an official announcement on >slashdot or some other similar news site with a list of the major >changes between 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 -- i heard that it might have >reiser4 stock, but i can not confirm that. >Just an FYI for you all, and the vanilla-sources maintainers :) > >post back any links to any articles you see about this release (not -rc) > >Thanks, >Andrew Muraco > > > I'd certainly consider kerenel.org to be more of an officialy announcement than slashdot.org There should also be a changelog on kernel.org indicating the changes. -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] bacula needs lovin'!
Rob Holland wrote: >On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 01:56:13PM +0100, Rob Holland wrote: > > > >>Can someone please take a look at the bacula ebuilds, they really do >>suck and have several open bugs. >> >> > >Ok, no one has stepped up to maintain them. I'll give it till Wednesday, >then I'll mask them. They really are awful ebuilds. > > > Sorry my gentoo mail has been acting "special" I'll maintain it. -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Duncan Coutts (dcoutts)
Tom Martin wrote: >Evening list, and apologies to people where it's not evening, > >I have the pleasure to tell you all about another new developer. His >name is Duncan Coutts, and he lives in Oxford, where he is working >towards his PhD in Computer Science. He will be joining the Haskell >herd. > >He's competent in C and Haskell, and is also a developer for the gtk2hs >project (gtk2hs.sf.net, GTK2/GNOME bindings for Haskell). > >Outside of his computing-related hobbies, Duncan enjoys unicycling and >amateur drama. > >With the addition of Duncan to the team, Gentoo now 'owns' half of the >International Conference on Functional Programming contest-winning team >from 2004 [1]. Of course, the other member is Andres Loeh, also known as >kosmikus. > >Please show Duncan a warm welcome. > >Best regards, >Tom > >[1] http://www.cis.upenn.edu/proj/plclub/contest/results.php > > > Congrats *omkhar giggles with glee as he's no longer the newbie ;-) -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] OffTopic: VMWare ESX
John Mylchreest wrote: >Hi All, > >Apologies for posting my question to such lists, but it hits the exact >audience I'm after a response from :) > >Does anyone at work run Vmware ESX Server? If so, could they please get >in touch with me so that I might talk about experiences? > >Regards, >John > > > John, I've worked with it before and have a number of colleagues in the field - what's up? -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well i also was very surprised to become this offering from IBM. I > tried this for a long time with very less success :( > > All i can say is that i talked to IBM's Senior IT Architct for > Principal Linux Services and he told me that theres a chance to do > this. Of cause he didn't said something about a gurantee that IBM > really would do so. But anyway i think it's definitively worth > trying. > Ah now I understand. You've been speaking to the Global Services (consulting side) people. I don't doubt that IBM would love to engage with Gentoo for SERVICES (ie manage your server, or develop a protien folding cluster and install it for you). However, you will not see IBM preloading, or releasing kernel modules for gentoo-sources. I'm not trying to be a roadblock here, infact I know many of the people in the Open Source Community of Practice at IBM, so please let me know where you would like this to go. - -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCeNwL9msUWjh2lHURAqd5AJwN2/kWNj3+OKmEjkTTzwwtfuJx0QCeN0s7 xh+VcqAc4HcOf27dZm7vxWk= =k7vh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I was just going to say something similar, although I'm not an > employee of IBM. Gentoo's parent organization is non-profit, and > IBM is a for-profit international corporation. That means, at least > in the USA, that any such agreement would need to be negotiated and > approved by what Stan Freberg referred to as "a battery of > white-lipped attorneys". I was surprised to see Debian on the > original list for the same reason. Can someone confirm there is > actually an IBM certification for Debian? > > BTW, here in the USA, for all practical purposes, if you want a > corporate blessing for Linux on a particular hardware platform, > your choices are pretty much constrained to Red Hat Enterprise > Linux. IBM, HP and Dell I believe all have corporate agreements > with Red Hat, and I wasn't even aware of SUSE being present in the > approved list. The only other "corporate blessed Linux" I know of > is the Wal-Mart low end PC that comes with Linspire loaded on it. > > Omkhar Arasaratnam wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> First of all there are a lot of questions to answer: >> >>> - Who can do the certification? - What must be done to become >>> certified? - What hardwaretypes will IBM offer? - Will the >>> hardware stay at IBM or somewhere else? >> >>> Aside all IBM customers should request support for Gentoo from >>> IBM because they'll only take this serious if many customers >>> request support. >> >> Being an IBM employee in my day job I can provide some insight >> here. >> >> NO >> >> ;-) >> >> I have an extremely hard time believing that IBM would endorse a >> community supported distro. The only distros that IBM supports >> are corporate backed (RedHat, Suse, Turbo). So unless Gentoo is >> under going a major change in the near future. That said - I'm >> frequently wrong ;-) But hey, let us know what you find out >> >> -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: >> http://ppc64.gentoo.org > > It's definately possible that we're comparing apples to oranges here. What *EXACTLY* is meant by support? 1. Will IBM throw some h/w to Gentoo for free - yes. 2. Will IBM assist with packaging some utilities if we raise enough of a stink - maybe 3. Will IBM assist a customer with break/fix, SLA'ed support or preload Gentoo on any server - hell no What do we mean by "support". Please bear in mind IBM DOES NOT support Debian in this fashion AFAIK. IBM may assist with development to some small extent but if a customer calls in and ask for support - they're up a creek. So what are we looking for ? Like I stated before, IBM only officially supports RHEL, SLES, Turbo Linux. - -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCeNdy9msUWjh2lHURAkZ2AKCu2o1atwFjCC7RJ0dGjFjGAP8b5gCfRsNx SWcpvT6bEpWi3CrqvFRux0A= =RbbS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: Antwort: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo could become certified for IBM Server Hardware
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > First of all there are a lot of questions to answer: > > - Who can do the certification? > - What must be done to become certified? > - What hardwaretypes will IBM offer? > - Will the hardware stay at IBM or somewhere else? > > Aside all IBM customers should request support for Gentoo from IBM > because they'll only take this serious if many customers request > support. > Being an IBM employee in my day job I can provide some insight here. NO ;-) I have an extremely hard time believing that IBM would endorse a community supported distro. The only distros that IBM supports are corporate backed (RedHat, Suse, Turbo). So unless Gentoo is under going a major change in the near future. That said - I'm frequently wrong ;-) But hey, let us know what you find out - -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCeM7j9msUWjh2lHURAnNHAJ4q98BHXEauPTOaF2uypWFk6fo27QCg24iC li1fvOSA9RxDizGb+FDKGmc= =c5/1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
