[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:40:13 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slacker arches > -- > Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 4+ hours before the > meeting. (Mike, is this ever going to happen?) I believe he's out of the country until August. -- gcc-porting, by design, by neglect treecleaner, for a fact or just for effect wxwidgets @ gentoo EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Monday 03 July 2006 15:41, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:04:55PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > the entire point of these threads is to address developer concerns > > to that sunrise can be folded back into Gentoo > > Really? According to who? presumably the Sunrise guys considering they started the thread > We only just had the userrel + sunrise meeting where the people behind > Project Sunrise said they would continue the project as an unofficial > project. Stefan would have to comment on this then > Even if they have changed their minds about this, I think it is too > early to re-evaluate the project for inclusion. maybe, but ignoring constant requests for feedback isnt helping anyone -mike pgpYPrPohmJFl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:04:55PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > the entire point of these threads is to address developer concerns > to that sunrise can be folded back into Gentoo Really? According to who? We only just had the userrel + sunrise meeting where the people behind Project Sunrise said they would continue the project as an unofficial project. Even if they have changed their minds about this, I think it is too early to re-evaluate the project for inclusion. Regards, Brix PS: There is no need to CC: me on replies. Please use reply-to-list. -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd pgpPBhFAF5VW7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Monday 03 July 2006 14:47, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > I have no problem with Project Sunrise being an unofficial project, > which is why I haven't responded to those mails. the entire point of these threads is to address developer concerns to that sunrise can be folded back into Gentoo -mike pgpmdyUzJbf6M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 02:43:32PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 03 July 2006 09:50, Bryan Ãstergaard wrote: > > No, brix is certainly not happy with a overlay like sunrise in any > > official capacity. > > then he needs to voice his concerns > > we've had a few threads calling for people to list their problems so they can > be addressed and i dont recall anyone piping up that hasnt been addressed I have no problem with Project Sunrise being an unofficial project, which is why I haven't responded to those mails. Regards, Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd pgpFEkvganiQ8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Monday 03 July 2006 09:50, Bryan Ãstergaard wrote: > No, brix is certainly not happy with a overlay like sunrise in any > official capacity. then he needs to voice his concerns we've had a few threads calling for people to list their problems so they can be addressed and i dont recall anyone piping up that hasnt been addressed -mike pgpUsCwGkzD7V.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 08:30:42AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 03 July 2006 08:06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > > > > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > > > > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > > > > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? > > > > > > why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a > > > project for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been > > > given real time yet to actually accomplish them > > > > Nor was I trying to in any way. Instead, I don't see any point in > > discussing something that still needs time to mature. The project > > hasn't been around long enough to accomplish anything, so again, what is > > there to discuss? > > the project was suspended because developers were severely unhappy with it > > the issues are whether said developers feel all of their grievances have been > addressed ... so far it would appear so > > debating whether the project has/is will accomplish things is out of > scope/off > topic > -mike No, brix is certainly not happy with a overlay like sunrise in any official capacity. This should be clear from the meeting [1] that was held between sunrise (jokey and genstef), userrel (represented by christel), brix and myself. Instead brix suggested a different solution to the problem, namely a "proxy maintainer" project that everybody seemed to be happy about at the meeting. However, while brix sees the proxy maintainer project as a replacement for the current sunrise project jokey and genstef sees it as a welcome addition. In any case it's not true that everybody is happy with sunrise yet. Regards, Bryan Østergaard 1. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/39764 -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Monday 03 July 2006 08:06, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > > > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > > > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > > > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? > > > > why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a > > project for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been > > given real time yet to actually accomplish them > > Nor was I trying to in any way. Instead, I don't see any point in > discussing something that still needs time to mature. The project > hasn't been around long enough to accomplish anything, so again, what is > there to discuss? the project was suspended because developers were severely unhappy with it the issues are whether said developers feel all of their grievances have been addressed ... so far it would appear so debating whether the project has/is will accomplish things is out of scope/off topic -mike pgpLOmnJOZGQc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 15:26 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? > > why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a project > for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been given real time > yet to actually accomplish them Nor was I trying to in any way. Instead, I don't see any point in discussing something that still needs time to mature. The project hasn't been around long enough to accomplish anything, so again, what is there to discuss? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Sunday 02 July 2006 10:10, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 19:23 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: > > Can we have another Sunrise discussion please? I would love to have some > > feedback about Sunrise, about our progress and where we are still > > lacking. > > What exactly is there to "discuss" about this? the answer to this is really quite obvious > What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages > are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been > recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without > maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? why do any of these matter at this point of time ? you cant kill a project for failing to accomplish any of its goals when it hasnt been given real time yet to actually accomplish them -mike pgp3qcExZ3ECz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 19:23 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: > Hi, > > Can we have another Sunrise discussion please? I would love to have some > feedback about Sunrise, about our progress and where we are still lacking. What exactly is there to "discuss" about this? It is not an official project anymore, so the council really has no bearing on it. I'm guessing you would like for it to become an official project. If I were asked, some of the things I would bring up are: What has the existence of Sunrise done for Gentoo? What new packages are now in the tree because of it? What new developers have been recruited because of it? What packages that were previously without maintainers in the tree have found maintainers due to Sunrise? I think you fail to see that for something like Sunrise to prove itself as a viable Gentoo project, it has to actually accomplish some of its stated goals. That being said, if the council wants to discuss it, they're more than welcome to. I just personally feel it wouldn't be time well spent. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for July
Hi, Can we have another Sunrise discussion please? I would love to have some feedback about Sunrise, about our progress and where we are still lacking. Thanks, Stefan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
