Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 08:04, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 22:09 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Tuesday 23 May 2006 21:18, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > > >> The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a > > > >> package manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > > > > > > > app-arch is for things that manage archives > > > > > > > > paludis is much more than an archive manager > > > > > > Do you propose we also move app-arch/rpm and app-arch/dpkg to wherever > > > paludis goes? > > > > you could make an argument for rpm but not dpkg > > > > dpkg is used simply to manipulate .debs, it isnt apt-get > > Huh? You can use dpkg directly to install software, just like rpm. It > would be like saying that rpm doesn't count because it isn't "up2date" > or "yum". then you have a pretty simple choice ... either portage moves to app-arch as well or we look at it being a Gentoo thing Gentoo package managers are critical thus sys-apps ... all other package managers are not critical thus app-arch -mike pgpl5RhbVkobU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 22:09 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 23 May 2006 21:18, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > >> The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package > > >> manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > > > > > app-arch is for things that manage archives > > > > > > paludis is much more than an archive manager > > > > Do you propose we also move app-arch/rpm and app-arch/dpkg to wherever > > paludis goes? > > you could make an argument for rpm but not dpkg > > dpkg is used simply to manipulate .debs, it isnt apt-get Huh? You can use dpkg directly to install software, just like rpm. It would be like saying that rpm doesn't count because it isn't "up2date" or "yum". -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 21:18, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > >> The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package > >> manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > > > app-arch is for things that manage archives > > > > paludis is much more than an archive manager > > Do you propose we also move app-arch/rpm and app-arch/dpkg to wherever > paludis goes? you could make an argument for rpm but not dpkg dpkg is used simply to manipulate .debs, it isnt apt-get -mike pgpM71XdRpvcE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: >> The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package >> manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > app-arch is for things that manage archives > > paludis is much more than an archive manager Do you propose we also move app-arch/rpm and app-arch/dpkg to wherever paludis goes? Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package > manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. app-arch is for things that manage archives paludis is much more than an archive manager -mike pgptazkp8aUAd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
On Thursday 18 May 2006 13:24, Dan Meltzer wrote: > On 5/18/06, Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a > > package manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > > > Therefore I propose to move the paludis package to app-arch. > > > > It is not a system package at all. It does not even cooperate with > > system. > > > > Paul > > " > The app-arch category contains tools for archiving, compressing > and uncompressing files or groups of files. > " > > paladius does just as much archiving, compressing, and uncompressing > as portage... actually less without binpkg support. Maybe it's not a > sys-app, but it sure isn't an archive app. It does it as much as rpm and dpkg do. As I don't think it is a good idea to create a app-pkgmanager group I think it is best to put it with the other package managers in the tree. In any case it does not belong in sys-. It is not comparable with portage as it is an unsupported, third-party, package manager. Worst of all, conflicts with the official package manager. As anything in sys- is system and as such core to the distribution, I think that anything which does not cooperate with system, but even conflicts with it does not belong there. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgpTAjgbsJ3Tx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
On 5/18/06, Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. Therefore I propose to move the paludis package to app-arch. It is not a system package at all. It does not even cooperate with system. Paul " The app-arch category contains tools for archiving, compressing and uncompressing files or groups of files. " paladius does just as much archiving, compressing, and uncompressing as portage... actually less without binpkg support. Maybe it's not a sys-app, but it sure isn't an archive app. -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul de Vrieze wrote: > The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package > manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > Therefore I propose to move the paludis package to app-arch. > > It is not a system package at all. It does not even cooperate with system. > > Paul > I disagree here - it is of the same genre as portage, if we move paludis, which is NOT (and obviously you are talking without having used it - which shows in many of your emails) along the lines of rpm, dpkg, etc. Instead of being dead set against it, create a chroot and try it out. I do realize this requires actual work and thinking, which is more than it takes to write an email, but I do suggest to people to try it out before dismissing it. - -- Steev -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEbFgI1c+EtXTHkJcRAlw+AJ0UmZLyPTO7iVZfJ7/v47yBWYTgXACfdA8K Wi69XMWs9h3aaHOPshyUp/U= =SDfc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] Proposed package move
The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. Therefore I propose to move the paludis package to app-arch. It is not a system package at all. It does not even cooperate with system. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Gentoo Developer Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgpVyzbwNgLR9.pgp Description: PGP signature
