Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: making the stable tree more up-to-date

2011-11-29 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 11/24/11 6:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
 I support stabilizing bug-free newer versions of maintainer-needed
 packages that already have stable versions.  I'm not sure I'd extend
 that to stabilizing packages that have no stable versions already.
 [...]
 Those benefits don't exist for a package that has no stable versions
 to begin with.

Yup, just for clarity my script doesn't consider packages with no stable
versions for stabilization candidates.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: making the stable tree more up-to-date

2011-11-24 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 11/23/11 3:27 PM, Torsten Veller wrote:
 What do you expect to happen with bugs assigned to maintainer-needed?

I'm going to CC arches myself after a while, similarly as with bugs with
other maintainers who don't respond.

 I don't know if any of the packages is really good to be stabilized.
 Maybe they are better than the current stable version, maybe not.

1. Note that my script only considers packages with no open bugs.

2. It's good for stable to be closer to ~arch, because that's what most
developers use it seems. It's also quite common for the stable version
to contain more bugs that are fixed in a more recent version.

3. Arch testing results in... more testing, so filing of such a bug may
actually result in real bugs being filed against the package. I think
that's good.

Paweł



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: making the stable tree more up-to-date

2011-11-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
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On 24/11/11 10:17 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote:
 On 11/23/11 3:27 PM, Torsten Veller wrote:
 What do you expect to happen with bugs assigned to maintainer-needed?
 
 I'm going to CC arches myself after a while, similarly as with bugs with
 other maintainers who don't respond.

..should ~arch packages with no maintainer really be moved to stable?*

(* assuming no other outside forces, like it's a dep of something else
that needs to go stable)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: making the stable tree more up-to-date

2011-11-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
 .should ~arch packages with no maintainer really be moved to stable?*

 (* assuming no other outside forces, like it's a dep of something else
 that needs to go stable)

I support stabilizing bug-free newer versions of maintainer-needed
packages that already have stable versions.  I'm not sure I'd extend
that to stabilizing packages that have no stable versions already.

I see getting stable users on the ~arch version as a win-win since it
means less maintenance of older version (without a maintainer), and
will likely give the stable user a more stable experience in reality
than what they already have.

Those benefits don't exist for a package that has no stable versions
to begin with.

Rich



Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: making the stable tree more up-to-date

2011-11-24 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 24-11-2011 a las 12:12 -0500, Rich Freeman escribió:
 On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote:
  .should ~arch packages with no maintainer really be moved to stable?*
 
  (* assuming no other outside forces, like it's a dep of something else
  that needs to go stable)
 
 I support stabilizing bug-free newer versions of maintainer-needed
 packages that already have stable versions.  I'm not sure I'd extend
 that to stabilizing packages that have no stable versions already.
 

I agree with stabling newer version but NOT to stable maintainer-needed
packages that has no stable version currently :)

 I see getting stable users on the ~arch version as a win-win since it
 means less maintenance of older version (without a maintainer), and
 will likely give the stable user a more stable experience in reality
 than what they already have.
 

I have also seen some maintainer-needed packages need to get a newer
version stable to fix some old opened bugs 

 Those benefits don't exist for a package that has no stable versions
 to begin with.
 
 Rich
 
 




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[gentoo-dev] Re: making the stable tree more up-to-date

2011-11-23 Thread Torsten Veller
* Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org:
 Please review the list, it's 800+ packages so I thought about asking for
 feedback before filing stabilization bugs (I plan to do that in stages
 of course).

What do you expect to happen with bugs assigned to maintainer-needed?

I don't know if any of the packages is really good to be stabilized.
Maybe they are better than the current stable version, maybe not.

-- 
Regards Torsten