Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Eray Aslan
On 07/17/2012 05:49 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> Do we really need to include them in main.cf?

Yes, as long as we want the docs under /usr/share/doc/${PF}/ - the
Gentoo norm.  Alternative might be not to install the readme|html files
via the doc USE flag.

Not that I mind, but this is getting off-topic.
-- 
Eray Aslan 





Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Philipp Riegger

On 17.07.2012 16:49, Michael Orlitzky wrote:

After changing these for years, I finally realized that the defaults are
correct:

   # postconf -d readme_directory html_directory
   readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.8.9/readme
   html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.8.9/html

Do we really need to include them in main.cf?


It would be great to remove it from main.cf.

Also:
"home_mailbox" is set at the bottom of the file. Why not set it directly 
below the examples for that parameter?


Philipp






Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/17/12 07:21, Eray Aslan wrote:
> On 07/17/2012 02:00 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
>> It may be a small issue, but since the potential pain is quite large,
> 
> Yes, that's the idea.
> 
>> since postfix config file changes are usually
>> pretty hard to review for merges.
> 
> Hmm, that's a failure on our part.  >=postfix-2.9 ebuilds is better in
> this regard.  Ideally, only readme_directory and html_directory settings
> should come up in dispatch.conf.  If you are still having problems
> during upgrades in postfix-2.9.x versions, please let me know.
> 

After changing these for years, I finally realized that the defaults are
correct:

  # postconf -d readme_directory html_directory
  readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.8.9/readme
  html_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.8.9/html

Do we really need to include them in main.cf?



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Nathan Zachary

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:21:07 +0300
Eray Aslan  wrote:

> On 07/17/2012 02:00 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> > It may be a small issue, but since the potential pain is quite
> > large,
> 
> Yes, that's the idea.
> 

Considering Postfix is an MTA that is commonly used in production
environments, it is likely better to provide users with ample warning
than to risk the application failing and troubleshooting thereafter.

Cheers,
Nathan Zachary



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Eray Aslan
On 07/17/2012 02:00 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> It may be a small issue, but since the potential pain is quite large,

Yes, that's the idea.

> since postfix config file changes are usually
> pretty hard to review for merges.

Hmm, that's a failure on our part.  >=postfix-2.9 ebuilds is better in
this regard.  Ideally, only readme_directory and html_directory settings
should come up in dispatch.conf.  If you are still having problems
during upgrades in postfix-2.9.x versions, please let me know.

-- 
Eray Aslan 





Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Eray Aslan  wrote:
> Well, the sysadmin runs dispatch-conf, a new daemon_directory setting
> comes up and he goes WTF?  I am trying to avoid that WTF moment.
>
> There was a few complaints in gentoo-user ML and a bug report when it
> was introduced to ~arch.  It seems people do not pay too much attention
> to ewarn messages.
>
> Having said that, I am not sure if it is really news-item material.  If
> the general consensus is that a news item is not needed, I will follow
> along.

It may be a small issue, but since the potential pain is quite large,
it seems like a news item would be worth it. I would certainly
appreciate it myself, since postfix config file changes are usually
pretty hard to review for merges.

Cheers,

Dirkjan



Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Eray Aslan
On 07/17/2012 01:34 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
> Imho, no need a news for it.
> emerge -DuN world;revdep-rebuild;dispatch-conf is what you normally do.

Well, the sysadmin runs dispatch-conf, a new daemon_directory setting
comes up and he goes WTF?  I am trying to avoid that WTF moment.

There was a few complaints in gentoo-user ML and a bug report when it
was introduced to ~arch.  It seems people do not pay too much attention
to ewarn messages.

Having said that, I am not sure if it is really news-item material.  If
the general consensus is that a news item is not needed, I will follow
along.

-- 
Eray Aslan 





Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Agostino Sarubbo
On Tuesday 17 July 2012 13:19:25 Eray Aslan wrote:
> I'd like to commit the following news item on 2012-07-21.  Any comments?

Imho, no need a news for it.
emerge -DuN world;revdep-rebuild;dispatch-conf is what you normally do.
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Gentoo/AMD64 Arch Security Liaison
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[gentoo-dev] news item: upgrading to postfix-2.9

2012-07-17 Thread Eray Aslan
I'd like to commit the following news item on 2012-07-21.  Any comments?

-- 
Eray Aslan 


Title: Upgrading to postfix-2.9
Author: Eray Aslan 
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2012-07-17
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: =mail-mta/postfix-2.9 are installed under
/usr/libexec/postfix.  Please do not forget to adjust your main.cf by
running etc-update/dispatch-conf or similar and accepting the new
daemon_directory setting.  Otherwise, postfix will not be able to find
the binaries it is looking for.