RE: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Duft Markus]

> 
> On 2008-05-01 03:20, Duft Markus wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Just read the mail-archive and (i'm not at work), and felt that I
> have
> > to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry
> for
> > what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :))
> 
> Have you seen this?:
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

Yeah thanks, i used to use this one. But (of course) it doesn't work
with the web-interface, and since a few days i'm running outlook 2007,
with which it - grml - doesn't work neither. Still with the real outlook
i managed to at least get it to quote with ">" ;)

Cheers, Markus

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Heath N. Caldwell]

On 2008-05-01 03:20, Duft Markus wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Just read the mail-archive and (i'm not at work), and felt that I have
> to say something about the binary packages on windows ;) (so sorry for
> what the outlook web-access thingy does to emails and threads :))

Have you seen this?:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Marijn Schouten (hkBst)]

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Hi Markus,

Denis Dupeyron wrote:
| It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
| He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
| Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
| means Gentoo on Win32.

What's the attraction?
Is this something you'd want to use?
Are you just interested in the challenge?

| Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Let me present you with this magic wand with 50 charges of 
change-blue-screen-of-death-to
red-screen-of-death. May it last a long time,

Marijn

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 21:21:06 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get
> >  the primary shell/environment is available too.  However, for me that
> >  doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense,
> >  so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway.
> 
> I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on
> HPUX or AIX... There is Windows.

Ok, then SFU is just your entry point to the system, like your "login"
on AIX or HPUX.

> > Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the
> >  forseeable future from my point of view either.  Binpkgs are in the
> >  planning.  In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need
> >  extra help from "prefix-launcher".
> 
> This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on
> Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually
> used this OS...

Well... making stages takes time, but more importantly, requires you to
store them somewhere, and infra has no space for that.  I do, but my
internet connectivity is not sufficient for that.
Besides, using Portage's binary support is more flexible, as the Prefix
isn't fixed, but adjusted to your need(s).

> I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to
> extract binaries.

I probably misunderstand.  quickpkg creates binpkgs, doesn't it?

> [1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get
>  the primary shell/environment is available too.  However, for me that
>  doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense,
>  so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway.

I separate operating system and applications... Just like you run on
HPUX or AIX... There is Windows.

> Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the
>  forseeable future from my point of view either.  Binpkgs are in the
>  planning.  In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need
>  extra help from "prefix-launcher".

This is sad... I would really like to see fully operating portage on
Windows... It was more important to me in the past when I actually
used this OS...

I this sense [1] was a great idea! You could always use quickpkg to
extract binaries.

Alon.

[1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 20:44:50 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> >  > I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
> >  > Something like [1], [2].
> >
> > Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC.
> 
> I couldn't understand it from [1], anyway the source is unavailable right?

Heh, yeah, sort of.  See [2].  As far as I understand it,
Interix/Microsoft Services for UNIX plugs directly into the POSIX
whatever of Windows.  What you basically get is the environment where
you can run a shell, and as a sort of bonus a ksh or csh to start off.
What Markus did, was to get normal Gentoo Prefix working on top of that.
To give you an indication of what it looks/feels like, if you start
SFU's ksh (or login through telnet -- hey it still is Windows ;) ), you
can just do a configure && make && make install of bash-3.2 to end up
with a working bash.  Of course Python does NOT compile.

> >  Why do you want it to run on Cygwin?  (Honest question...)
> 
> It is the only project I know providing good support for POSIX Windows
> platform while having Open Source license.

I think in that sense Cygwin is more Open Source, because how you get
the primary shell/environment is available too.  However, for me that
doesn't matter, as the OS itself is inherently non-free in that sense,
so that's what you have to accept first thing anyway.

> But if you are correct and a good POSIX layer is provided built-in in
> Windows, I will be happy to see stage3 for Windows.

Just for your information, we don't do stages at the moment, not in the
forseeable future from my point of view either.  Binpkgs are in the
planning.  In general we just do a full bootstrap, on Interix you need
extra help from "prefix-launcher".

> [1] http://www.interix.com/products_services.htm

[2] 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb463204.aspx?wt.svl=2007resources


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On 4/30/08, Fabian Groffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 30-04-2008 19:51:42 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>  > On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
>  > >  He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
>  > >  Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
>  > >  means Gentoo on Win32.
>  >
>  > Welcome!
>  >
>  > I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
>  > Something like [1], [2].
>
>
> Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC.

I couldn't understand it from [1], anyway the source is unavailable right?

>  Why do you want it to run on Cygwin?  (Honest question...)

It is the only project I know providing good support for POSIX Windows
platform while having Open Source license.

But if you are correct and a good POSIX layer is provided built-in in
Windows, I will be happy to see stage3 for Windows.

Alon.

[1] http://www.interix.com/products_services.htm
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 19:51:42 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> >  He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> >  Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> >  means Gentoo on Win32.
> 
> Welcome!
> 
> I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
> Something like [1], [2].

Interix is free and these days bundled with Windwows, IIRC.

Why do you want it to run on Cygwin?  (Honest question...)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Alon Bar-Lev]

On 4/30/08, Denis Dupeyron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
>  He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
>  Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
>  means Gentoo on Win32.

Welcome!

I will love to see Windows support via cygwin and not commartial product.
Something like [1], [2].

Alon.

[1] http://gentoocygwin.sourceforge.net/
[2] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_on_Cygwin
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Ferris McCormick]

On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 11:12 -0400, Jim Ramsay wrote:
> "Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.
> 
> Lay on, mduft,
> And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'
> 
> Exeunt, fighting.
> 
 Nice.  I wish I'd thought of that. :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Jim Ramsay]

"Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Lay on, mduft,
And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'

Exeunt, fighting.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Michael Haubenwallner]

On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 13:35 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> means Gentoo on Win32.

Yes, today isn't April, the first (remember geNToo).
Heh - today is April, the last!

> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Enjoy geVISToo ;)

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RE: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Duft Markus]

> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> means Gentoo on Win32.

Hope this doesn't scare away people ;o) Did you have to blazen this out?

> 
> Markus lives with his wife and daughter in Graz, Austria. He seems to
> have many hobbies like reading fantasy novels, building
> remote-controlled model planes, crashing remote-controlled model
> planes, and last but not least, "playing good old board games" with
> his wife. Err... Markus, we are a mature audience here, so no need to
> call that "good old board games", OK ?

Hehe, i feel misunderstood ... :)

> 
> He shares an office at work with Michael Haubenwallner (haubi), who is
> strangely also a member of the Gentoo/alt project.
> 
> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Thanks ... @Gilles' flamethrower: i don't think that i like it _that_ hot, but 
i haven't tried ;)

Cheers, Markus

> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Gilles Dartiguelongue]

Le mercredi 30 avril 2008 à 13:35 +0200, Denis Dupeyron a écrit :
[snip]
> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

may I use a flamethrower for that ?

welcome Markus :)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Markus Duft (mduft)

[Fabian Groffen]

On 30-04-2008 13:35:40 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> It's my pleasure to introduce Markus Duft (mduft) as a new developer.
> He will go among us under the name of mduft, and will work in the
> Gentoo/Alt project porting Gentoo Prefix to Interix. Yes, people, that
> means Gentoo on Win32.

> Please everybody, give a very warm welcome to mduft.

Yay, at last someone in our team that has the right to "feel blue" :)

Welcome and enjoy!


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