Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Daniel Drake wrote: Omkhar Arasaratnam wrote: That said, we're not RedHat. We ship as MANY features as we can and let the user decide. I agree that it is valuable to get reiser4 testing done up front. Eventually - some people will use it. Last I checked I think $FOO is stupid wasn't a valid closure code in bugzilla ;-) Then you have different views from the kernel project :) We and try and make our kernel (gentoo-sources) _more_ stable than the official Linux releases. We mainly stick to bug fixes decreed worthy by the upstream developers, etc. We never include patches when we know of problems that they will introduce. Daniel Sorry I was unclear - what I meant was that we wouldn't remove all support for an fs from portage. As an example if/when reiserfs4 merges into mainline we wouldn't be ripping out all the userland support and vanilla-kernel support. You are completely correct regarding gentoo-sources, though I don't believe this was the point of the original discussion. -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
On Saturday 18 June 2005 01:53 am, Andrew Muraco wrote: reiser4, pie/ssp hardened, etc what would the mainline kernel care about ssp ? -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Andrew Muraco wrote: keep your wity comments to yourself -lol i dont think ext3 is going anywhere for a long time.. I usually think this is why alot of people still rely on it. It's solid, and doesn't change very often, so people working in environments that require solid stability on Linux likely go with this. reiserfs4 will merely be an option for those of us that like post-proscessed organic material.. Just remember, bugs in vanilla-sources go here: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ Any other -sources buggers up, try a variant of vanilla-sources to see if the problem exists there. If it does fire the bug upstream to the mainline kernel devs. If not, might be a patch we added in. I'm just stating this, because once reiserfs4 goes mainline (I believe it's in -mm currently), we are bound to have users hitting various bumps and ruts in the road using it, and if they file bugs to our bugzilla that aren't related to patches we produce, then they'll likely wind up closed as invalid and such. This saves the users time, and may get them the answers they seek (or at least a resolution of some kind). It also saves our bug-wranglers time by now having to deal with more invalid bugs. --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 18 June 2005 02:21 am, Andrew Muraco wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 18 June 2005 01:53 am, Andrew Muraco wrote: reiser4, pie/ssp hardened, etc what would the mainline kernel care about ssp ? -mike actually i dont know if they were talking about ssp/pie but the correct term is SELinux ssp/pie is very different from selinux -mike Yea... but either way i dont know if the SELinux stuff ended up in there.. (thats what i meant initally-- i had pie/ssp on the mind for some reason - ignore that..) time for bed for me - i have work tommorrow, but hopefully i will thinking clearer tommorrow. Regards, Andrew Muraco -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Andrew Muraco wrote: actually i dont know if they were talking about ssp/pie but the correct term is SELinux (known to gentooers as hardened) and trusted computing are also things that were reported to be up for mainline kernel http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;669959914;fp;16;fpid;0 That article is wrong and this was discussed a lot at the time when it was published. The kernel development process is very open, and Linus stops accepting feature-style patches after about -rc3. So if you had been keeping up with the -rc releases in the last month or so, you'd know that reiser4 wasnt going to be included for 2.6.12 final. Daniel -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Kumba wrote: I'm just stating this, because once reiserfs4 goes mainline (I believe it's in -mm currently), we are bound to have users hitting various bumps and ruts in the road using it, and if they file bugs to our bugzilla that aren't related to patches we produce, then they'll likely wind up closed as invalid and such. This saves the users time, and may get them the answers they seek (or at least a resolution of some kind). It also saves our bug-wranglers time by now having to deal with more invalid bugs. We can always patch the problem in the g-s ^^ Given reiserfs4 is around for enough time and lots of brave users tested it, it MAY be not so unstable. (still I like jfs and xfs more, and I use them just for transient data (large video and image processing tests and so on)) -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Developer Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
On Saturday 18 June 2005 19:27, Luca Barbato wrote: Given reiserfs4 is around for enough time and lots of brave users tested it, it MAY be not so unstable. On Saturday 18 June 2005 02:30, E.Gryaznova wrote: Reiser4 format was changed in reiser4-5 patch for 2.6.11, reiser4progs for this format are not ready yet. Perhaps not ;) Regards, Jason Stubbs pgpzxU7BLWY3y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Luca Barbato wrote: Kumba wrote: I'm just stating this, because once reiserfs4 goes mainline (I believe it's in -mm currently), we are bound to have users hitting various bumps and ruts in the road using it, and if they file bugs to our bugzilla that aren't related to patches we produce, then they'll likely wind up closed as invalid and such. This saves the users time, and may get them the answers they seek (or at least a resolution of some kind). It also saves our bug-wranglers time by now having to deal with more invalid bugs. We can always patch the problem in the g-s ^^ Given reiserfs4 is around for enough time and lots of brave users tested it, it MAY be not so unstable. (still I like jfs and xfs more, and I use them just for transient data (large video and image processing tests and so on)) As a ppc64 arch and can officially state that reiser4fs is very unstable under ppc64 as of the last time I checked, which was some where in the 2.6.12rc cycle plus mm patch. That said, we're not RedHat. We ship as MANY features as we can and let the user decide. I agree that it is valuable to get reiser4 testing done up front. Eventually - some people will use it. Last I checked I think $FOO is stupid wasn't a valid closure code in bugzilla ;-) -- Omkhar Arasaratnam - Gentoo PPC64 Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://dev.gentoo.org/~omkhar Gentoo Linux / PPC64 Linux: http://ppc64.gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 02:31 -0400, Andrew Muraco wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 18 June 2005 02:21 am, Andrew Muraco wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 18 June 2005 01:53 am, Andrew Muraco wrote: reiser4, pie/ssp hardened, etc what would the mainline kernel care about ssp ? -mike actually i dont know if they were talking about ssp/pie but the correct term is SELinux ssp/pie is very different from selinux -mike Yea... but either way i dont know if the SELinux stuff ended up in there.. (thats what i meant initally-- i had pie/ssp on the mind for some reason - ignore that..) time for bed for me - i have work tommorrow, but hopefully i will thinking clearer tommorrow. SELinux has been integrated in mainline since 2.6.0-test3. A few new features were added in 2.6.12 (reworked MLS, and a few other bits). -- Chris PeBenito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developer, Hardened Gentoo Linux Embedded Gentoo Linux Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xE6AF9243 Key fingerprint = B0E6 877A 883F A57A 8E6A CB00 BC8E E42D E6AF 9243 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Omkhar Arasaratnam wrote: That said, we're not RedHat. We ship as MANY features as we can and let the user decide. I agree that it is valuable to get reiser4 testing done up front. Eventually - some people will use it. Last I checked I think $FOO is stupid wasn't a valid closure code in bugzilla ;-) Then you have different views from the kernel project :) We and try and make our kernel (gentoo-sources) _more_ stable than the official Linux releases. We mainly stick to bug fixes decreed worthy by the upstream developers, etc. We never include patches when we know of problems that they will introduce. Daniel -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] linux-2.6.12
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 18 June 2005 12:22 am, Andrew Muraco wrote: Linux-2.6.12 is officially out according to kernel.org Just an FYI for you all, and the vanilla-sources maintainers :) /me looks around ... nope, this doesnt look like bugs.gentoo.org to me ... -mike Im not expecting it to be added to the tree that quickly it hasnt even been officially announced, i just wanted to get an idea of what it has to offer once the articles start poping up :-P Regards, Andrew Muraco -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
