Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] Installing Gentoo on a Powermac G5

2006-10-03 Thread David Gurvich
The video should not be a big problem.  If you are going to use xorg-7.1, make 
sure to apply the patch to the ati driver.  I could not get xorg.conf set up 
correctly, until Xorgautoconfig gave me a starting point.  

I haven't used ppc64, but many of the developers are doing so.  In fact, I've 
had to add ppc to ebuilds that had ppc64 in the KEYWORDS, but not ppc.  I 
don't know about mixing ppc32 and ppc64 apps, but perhaps a chroot 
environment such as that used in amd64 might be possible. 

On Tuesday 03 October 2006 16:26, darren kirby wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Hardware:
> PowerPC G5, dual 2GHz CPUs, 1.5GB RAM
>
> I am no stranger to installing Gentoo, but I have questions that don't
> appear to be answered in the PPC64 handbook. I am waiting for a new SATA
> drive here, and when it arrives I intend to install Gentoo on it. A few Qs:
>
> 1. OS X is on the first sata drive, Gentoo will be on the second. Is it
> still necessary to create the 'apple_bootstrap' partition if Gentoo will be
> on its own complete disk?
>
> 2. If I follow the PPC64 guide does this give me the 64bit userland? If so,
> is there enough (hard) unmasked software to use this as a general desktop
> machine? Is all software in the package database marked stable under PPC64
> 64bit userland software? Can I mix and match PPC32 and PPC64 software? Any
> and all information on this issue would be most helpful, as I don't think I
> completely understand it (I don't have an x86-64 machine so I am mostly
> ignorant of 64bit issues).
>
> 3. I have the 23 inch Cinema display and a ATI Radeon 9600 Pro vidcard. Are
> there drivers that can make this setup work? I ask because I booted the
> machine with a Kubuntu PPC livecd to play around and while the cli worked,
> when it came time for X to start the screen went black and I was forced to
> do a hard reset. I am not sure if this was just a problem with  Kubuntu, or
> some other reason. I am not too concerned with hardware acceleration or
> anything, at most I just want to be able to watch DVDs.
>
> Apropos, if any one has the same, or a similar setup I would love if you
> could send me your xorg.conf.
>
> Again, I am very familiar with Gentoo, but have little knowledge of PPC
> hardware and 64 bit issues...pointers to docs that explain differences and
> ramification on this topic would be great.
>
> Thanks for consideration.
> -d
> --
> darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org
> "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more
> expected..." - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972

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Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] Installing Gentoo on a Powermac G5

2006-10-03 Thread Joseph Jezak
darren kirby wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Hardware:
> PowerPC G5, dual 2GHz CPUs, 1.5GB RAM
> 
> I am no stranger to installing Gentoo, but I have questions that don't appear 
> to be answered in the PPC64 handbook. I am waiting for a new SATA drive here, 
> and when it arrives I intend to install Gentoo on it. A few Qs:
> 
> 1. OS X is on the first sata drive, Gentoo will be on the second. Is it still 
> necessary to create the 'apple_bootstrap' partition if Gentoo will be on its 
> own complete disk?

Yes.  Open Firmware looks for a HFS blessed partition to boot from,
which is all the apple_bootstrap partition actually is.  It contains
a copy of yaboot as well.  When ybin runs, it will tell OpenFirmware
to boot from this device (well, that what the nvram write is for.
If your kernel doesn't have nvram support, you'll have to set this
manually).  Note that it doesn't really matter which disk this
partition is on, but it's preferred to have it before the OSX
partition so that if OSX resets the nvram, it will be the first
blessed HFS partition found and still boot as normal.

> 2. If I follow the PPC64 guide does this give me the 64bit userland? If so, 
> is 
> there enough (hard) unmasked software to use this as a general desktop 
> machine? Is all software in the package database marked stable under PPC64 
> 64bit userland software? Can I mix and match PPC32 and PPC64 software? Any 
> and all information on this issue would be most helpful, as I don't think I 
> completely understand it (I don't have an x86-64 machine so I am mostly 
> ignorant of 64bit issues).

I can't speak too much for ppc64 (I only have ppc32 machines), but
you have a few options.  A pure ppc64 machine won't work with
everything.  For instance, there are issues with Mozilla based
applications and ppc64, but KDE (and konqueror) should work great.
You can also run a 32bit UL very easily and for desktop usage this
is the recommended configuration afaik.  I'm not sure about a mixed
environment.

> 3. I have the 23 inch Cinema display and a ATI Radeon 9600 Pro vidcard. Are 
> there drivers that can make this setup work? I ask because I booted the 
> machine with a Kubuntu PPC livecd to play around and while the cli worked, 
> when it came time for X to start the screen went black and I was forced to do 
> a hard reset. I am not sure if this was just a problem with  Kubuntu, or some 
> other reason. I am not too concerned with hardware acceleration or anything, 
> at most I just want to be able to watch DVDs.

This should work just fine with DRI as well.  I have a Radeon 9600
in my PB and it works very nicely with OpenGL acceleration, etc. :)

> Apropos, if any one has the same, or a similar setup I would love if you 
> could 
> send me your xorg.conf.

Not really required, just use Xorgautoconfig and it should work
fine.  With that display you will probably also need to set the
reduced blanking setting.

> Again, I am very familiar with Gentoo, but have little knowledge of PPC 
> hardware and 64 bit issues...pointers to docs that explain differences and 
> ramification on this topic would be great.
> 
> Thanks for consideration.
> -d

Hope that helped,
-Joe
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