date:20030926

Most cases have the one in front pulling it into the case 
while the one in back pulls it out.  Try that and make 
sure air can flow through your case.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:26:38 +0200
 mathieu perrenoud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. 
When I saw the price, I 
buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place 
them in the case.
The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at 
the rear of the case 
and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the 
outside. Yesterday, 
you told me that it could be better to pull air inside 
and the guy at the 
shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front 
pulling air inside and 
one at the rear blowing air outside.
I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's 
instructions? or the guy's 
advice.
I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in 
the back. If it's 
stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be 
greatly appreciated.
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

2003-09-26 Thread mathieu perrenoud

On Friday 26 September 2003 02:31 pm, brett holcomb wrote:
 Most cases have the one in front pulling it into the case
 while the one in back pulls it out.  Try that and make
 sure air can flow through your case.

faster than light answer. thanks brett

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

2003-09-26 Thread Carlos

 shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front pulling air inside and one at 
 the rear blowing air outside.

I do that.


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

You're welcome.  Check the temperature before and after 
and let us know what happens.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:36:02 +0200
 mathieu perrenoud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 26 September 2003 02:31 pm, brett holcomb 
wrote:
Most cases have the one in front pulling it into the 
case
while the one in back pulls it out.  Try that and make
sure air can flow through your case.
faster than light answer. thanks brett

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Re: [gentoo-user] Digital camera recommendations?

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas T. Veldhouse

- Original Message -
From: gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Digital camera recommendations?

 do yourself a favour and get a card reader with the camera.  they appear
 as a usb mass-storage device to linux and are even more portable than
 the camera itself.  what's more, they're nearly free.  i once saw one
 for $20 with a $20 rebate.  setup for linux was as easy as plugging it
 in, finding the device that was created for it in /dev/usb/ and i was
 ready to go.

 as far as cameras go, i swear by my canon powershot g3, but it's kinda
 pricy.  from what i've heard (not my personal experience since i've only
 ever used mine), nikon  olympus are cheap and high quality, canon is
 expensive and high quality, as is sony (but they use memorysticks...
 ew).  i've been told the following over and over again:

   stay away from kodak and hp.  they suck.

Well, I can certainly argue that the Kodak DX6340 does NOT suck.  The only
two drawbacks that I have found with it are:

1.  If you want to review the pictures in memory you must turn it to a
picture mode and that will extend the lense.

2.  Because of #1, when viewing, you must be a little careful how you hold
the camera so the lense does not extend into your hand.

Having stated these two drawbacks, I really like the camera and it puts out
quality pictures, the main two factors I needed when buying a camera.

Tom Veldhouse

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

2003-09-26 Thread Gustav_Schaffter





However you do it, you will want to have an air-flow that goes _through_
your box, traditionally _from_ the front side _to_ the back side.

Do _not_ take in air at the same side as you blow out warm air since that
will increase the risk of bringing in already heated air, whereas you want
to bring in air as cold as possible.

You will also want to, if ever possible, bring in air lower down on your
box and blow it out higher up, since warm air raises.


Biker





   
   
  mathieu perrenoud
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  ch  cc:   (bcc: Gustav 
Schaffter/CDS/CG/CAPITAL)   
   Subject:  [gentoo-user] installing fans 
(was: strange informations from lm-sensors)
  26-09-2003 14:26 
   
  Please respond to
   
  gentoo-user  
   
   
   
   
   




After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. When I saw the
price, I
buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place them in the case.
The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at the rear of the case

and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the outside. Yesterday,
you told me that it could be better to pull air inside and the guy at the
shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front pulling air inside
and
one at the rear blowing air outside.
I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's instructions? or the
guy's
advice.
I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in the back. If it's
stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be greatly appreciated.
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[gentoo-user] Dependency problem

2003-09-26 Thread Kurt Bechstein

I have a small problem with portage I believe.  When I do:
emerge sync
emerge -upDv world

it shows aa-sources as being one of the things that needs installed as a
new package.  Odd things is that I don't use aa-sources.  If I exclude
the D option it does not show up.  So it's something doing the deep
dependency check that wants aa-sources.  So is there a way to tell what
wants aa-sources?  Thanks.


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

2003-09-26 Thread Scharf Yuval

Hi,

Does you boxes really give you all this flexibility?
I look at my box and see no place to add fans.
Does it in mean that my box is a very cheap one?

Happy new year,
Yuval Scharf


On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 However you do it, you will want to have an air-flow that goes _through_
 your box, traditionally _from_ the front side _to_ the back side.

 Do _not_ take in air at the same side as you blow out warm air since that
 will increase the risk of bringing in already heated air, whereas you want
 to bring in air as cold as possible.

 You will also want to, if ever possible, bring in air lower down on your
 box and blow it out higher up, since warm air raises.


 Biker






 mathieu perrenoud
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ch  cc:   (bcc: Gustav 
 Schaffter/CDS/CG/CAPITAL)
  Subject:  [gentoo-user] installing fans 
 (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)
 26-09-2003 14:26
 Please respond to
   gentoo-user






 After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. WhenI saw the
 price, I
 buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place them in the case.
 The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at the rear of the case

 and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the outside. Yesterday,
 you told me that it could be better to pull air inside and the guy at the
 shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front pulling air inside
 and
 one at the rear blowing air outside.
 I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's instructions? orthe
 guy's
 advice.
 I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in the back. If it's
 stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be greatly appreciated.
 --
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[gentoo-user] OpenSSH 3.7.1p2 scp fails

2003-09-26 Thread Jason Cooper

Folks,

I upgraded to OpenSSH 3.7.1p2 the morning the ebuild came out.  I may
have had the same problem with 3.7.1p1.  I didn't have it with the
earlier version (3+ months old).

I can ssh into my home machine from work (OpenSSH ~v3.1 :( ), things
work fine, I'm writing this email through it.  However, since I upgraded
OpenSSH on the home machine, I am unable to scp files back and forth.

In verbose, I get the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ scp -v nevernight.net:Release.jpg .
Executing: program /usr/bin/ssh host nevernight.net, user (unspecified),
command scp -v -f Release.jpg
OpenSSH_3.1p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be
trusted.
debug1: restore_uid
debug1: ssh_connect: getuid 500 geteuid 0 anon 1
debug1: Connecting to nevernight.net [68.55.237.4] port 22.
debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 500/500 (e=0)
debug1: restore_uid
debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 500/500 (e=0)
debug1: restore_uid
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/jcooper/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/jcooper/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/jcooper/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version
OpenSSH_3.7.1p2
debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.7.1p2 pat OpenSSH*
Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.1p1
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server-client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client-server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 135/256
debug1: bits set: 1610/3191
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'nevernight.net' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/jcooper/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: bits set: 1573/3191
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: kex_derive_keys
debug1: newkeys: mode 1
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: waiting for SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: newkeys: mode 0
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: done: ssh_kex2.
debug1: send SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST
debug1: service_accept: ssh-userauth
debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT
debug1: authentications that can continue:
publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
debug1: next auth method to try is publickey
debug1: try privkey: /home/jcooper/.ssh/identity
debug1: try privkey: /home/jcooper/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: try privkey: /home/jcooper/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: next auth method to try is keyboard-interactive
Password: 
debug1: packet_send2: adding 32 (len 23 padlen 9 extra_pad 64)
debug1: packet_send2: adding 48 (len 10 padlen 6 extra_pad 64)
debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method keyboard-interactive
debug1: fd 4 setting O_NONBLOCK
debug1: fd 5 setting O_NONBLOCK
debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
debug1: send channel open 0
debug1: Entering interactive session.
debug1: ssh_session2_setup: id 0
debug1: Sending command: scp -v -f Release.jpg
debug1: channel request 0: exec
debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
Saint:  A dead sinner revised and edited.
~
[EMAIL PROTECTED] $ debug1: channel 0: read=0 rfd 4 len 0
debug1: channel 0: read failed
debug1: channel 0: close_read
debug1: channel 0: input open - drain
debug1: channel 0: ibuf empty
debug1: channel 0: send eof
debug1: channel 0: input drain - closed
debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype exit-status reply 0
debug1: channel 0: write failed
debug1: channel 0: close_write
debug1: channel 0: output open - closed
Sending file modes: C0600 199975 Release.jpg
debug1: channel 0: rcvd eof
debug1: channel 0: rcvd close
debug1: channel 0: almost dead
debug1: channel 0: gc: notify user
debug1: channel 0: gc: user detached
debug1: channel 0: send close
debug1: channel 0: is dead
debug1: channel 0: garbage collecting
debug1: channel_free: channel 0: client-session, nchannels 1
debug1: fd 0 clearing O_NONBLOCK
debug1: fd 1 clearing O_NONBLOCK
debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 0 bytes in 0.3 seconds
debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.0
debug1: Exit status 1


###End Debug#

I think the following from above is the problem:

debug1: Sending command: scp -v -f Release.jpg

Don't worry about Saint:  A dead sinner revised and edited., that's
the fortune thing on my home machine.  It shouldn't be invoked for scp,
but it's not from within scp.

'man scp' on the home machine (3.7.1p2) says -f specifies config file.
'man scp' on work machine (3.1) doesn't declare -f at all.  

How do I change what command is sent?  I think removing the -f will
work, but I can't find where to do it.

TIA,

Cooper.

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

2003-09-26 Thread Gustav_Schaffter






My post was meant to be generic. I don't know the details of his box,
neither do I know yours.

Many PC cabinets have room for at least one supplemental fan, sometimes
more. Not all do, though. Most versions on mini-, mid- or full-size towers
do, whereas some desktop size cabinets may lack this feature. (Even though
I have the space in most of my desktop cabinets.)

If you're inn to building your own PCs from spare parts, you may want to
check this before buying a cabinet.

Thinking a little bit about the air-flow, plus adding some common sense,
can sometimes make a difference when building a box.



So read my post as in Generally speaking, these are considered good
advices.


Biker


 Hi,

 Does you boxes really give you all this flexibility?
 I look at my box and see no place to add fans.
 Does it in mean that my box is a very cheap one?

 Happy new year,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Happy am i

2003-09-26 Thread Mike Wojcikiewicz

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On Friday 26 September 2003 07:43, Jason Cooper wrote:
 Senectus - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled:
  LOL.. sounds like a challenge..
 
  :-)
 
  I know its OT.. But I couldn't help it.. after your like epilogue.. I
  remembered this :
  (Not written by me)
  Gospel of Tux unearthed (long)

 [Helluva snip]

  Now may you code in the power of the Source; may the Kernel, the
  Libraries and the Utilities be with you, throughout all Distributions,
  until the end of the Epoch. Amen.
 
 
  Posted on Sat 06 Feb 15:50:24 1999 GMT
  Written by Lennier [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Damn, the sad thing is, I actually sat down and read the whole thing...
 Beautiful.  Brings a tear to my eye.

you're not the only one *sniff*... brilliant

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[gentoo-user] problems printing.

2003-09-26 Thread Sigurd Stordal

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I have problems printing using cups. I can print using gv from console for .ps 
files. I also can print from kde applications (kmail f.ex), but I can't print 
from gimp or from openoffice as a regular user, but I can print as root.
for regular user I get a: lpr unable to create temp file error. I've search 
google and saw one answer about the permission of /tmp/ dir. but it's 
drwxrwxrwt should it be something else.
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

Not necessarily cheap, but certainly not designed for modern 
systems. If the case was intented for a P2 or AMD-K6, a heatsink on 
the processor and a fan on the power supply was, in most cases 
sufficient. Since I'm sure that you have a fan in your power supply 
that blows out, if you can somehow mount a fan ant the lower front of 
your case below the drive bays, you should see some improvement in 
temperature.

On Friday 26 September 2003 09:19 am, Scharf Yuval wrote:
 Hi,

 Does you boxes really give you all this flexibility?
 I look at my box and see no place to add fans.
 Does it in mean that my box is a very cheap one?

 Happy new year,
 Yuval Scharf

 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  However you do it, you will want to have an air-flow that goes
  _through_ your box, traditionally _from_ the front side _to_ the
  back side.
 
  Do _not_ take in air at the same side as you blow out warm air
  since that will increase the risk of bringing in already heated
  air, whereas you want to bring in air as cold as possible.
 
  You will also want to, if ever possible, bring in air lower down
  on your box and blow it out higher up, since warm air raises.
 
 
  Biker
 
 
 
 
 
 
  mathieu perrenoud
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ch  cc:   (bcc:
  Gustav Schaffter/CDS/CG/CAPITAL) Subject:  [gentoo-user]
  installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)
  26-09-2003 14:26
  Please respond to
gentoo-user
 
 
 
 
 
 
  After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. WhenI saw
  the price, I
  buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place them in the
  case. The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at the
  rear of the case
 
  and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the outside.
  Yesterday, you told me that it could be better to pull air inside
  and the guy at the shop told me that on his own box he had a fan
  in front pulling air inside and
  one at the rear blowing air outside.
  I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's instructions?
  orthe guy's
  advice.
  I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in the back.
  If it's stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be
  greatly appreciated. --
  mathieu
 
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[gentoo-user] wireless configuration howto?

2003-09-26 Thread Chris Bare

Is there anything written up on how to configure wireless network
adapters under gentoo? My laptop has built-in PCI 802.11b so the pcmcia
stuff doesn't apply. It was automatically detected and comes up when I
start eth1, but I don't know where to set the ESSID and any other
wireless parameters I might need.
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[gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Marshal Newrock

After seeing this discussed on here - using an SQL database for Portage -
I decided to take this on as a project.  (I had to pause for a bit to
learn how to program a web page so I could share it with the world.)
It's still a bit rough, and there's a few things it doesn't do yet.  What
it does do is scan every ebuild in /usr/portage and put all the info,
including description, homepage, and depends, in a MySQL database.  A
second program, when written, will be responsible for marking what is and
is not installed.  By itself, it's not very useful, but it can be used by
a package management program which uses the database as a backend,
including depends based on current use flags.

It does, of course, take a while to run this program.

Anyone interested can look at
http://www.simons-rock.edu/~marshal/projects/portage2sql/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Happy am i

2003-09-26 Thread Prabhat Gupta



Jason Cooper wrote:

Senectus - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled:
 

LOL.. sounds like a challenge..
:-)
I know its OT.. But I couldn't help it.. after your like epilogue.. I 
remembered this :
(Not written by me)
Gospel of Tux unearthed (long)
   

[Helluva snip]
 

Now may you code in the power of the Source; may the Kernel, the Libraries 
and the Utilities be with you, throughout all Distributions, until the end 
of the Epoch. Amen.

Posted on Sat 06 Feb 15:50:24 1999 GMT
Written by Lennier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   

Damn, the sad thing is, I actually sat down and read the whole thing...
Beautiful.  Brings a tear to my eye. 

Cooper.

 

ME TOO!!!

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[gentoo-user] Having a problem with terminal display (using RHIDE)

2003-09-26 Thread Brenden Walker

I installed Gentoo on a system at work (were we also have Debian installed
in another partition). We're using RHIDE and it works fine on Debian, works
fine on my Gentoo installation at home.. but for some reason on this
installation when run from a Bash shell:

TERM=xterm: the colors are all messed up and the mouse doesn't work properly
TERM=linux: extended characters (line/block characters and the like) are all
messed up, but the mouse does work properly (ie: can select menus and the
like).

If I run if from a xterm/eterm under X the colors are fine. 

On my Gentoo system, TERM=xterm works fine for this software... on the
Debian installation TERM=linux works perfectly. 

I overwrote the xterm-color terminfo file (as xterm links to it on both
Gentoo's) with the terminfo file from my properly working Gentoo. No luck. 

The display is messed up when in a bash shell, or from ssh as well.

I tried re-emerging RHIDE, ncurses and gdm with no luck.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless configuration howto?

2003-09-26 Thread Corey Larsen

iwconfig is your best friend...

On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:08, Chris Bare wrote:
 Is there anything written up on how to configure wireless network
 adapters under gentoo? My laptop has built-in PCI 802.11b so the pcmcia
 stuff doesn't apply. It was automatically detected and comes up when I
 start eth1, but I don't know where to set the ESSID and any other
 wireless parameters I might need.


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans


Actually, I disagree with this.  In my experience, this doesn't really
help and can even starve cooling in some cases.  The problem is the
front fan.  It offsets the air that is being pulled out of the case from
the rear fans (the power supply and any other fans you might have back
there).  Enlight cases, which are what I use, typically have a fan on
the power supply and one in front, low in the case.  I take the one in
front and move it to a spot in the rear, just below the power supply
where there is a cut out for it on these cases.  Yours may not have a
spot like that, but it's really good if it does.  Now I have both the
power supply fan and the fan in the back of the case pulling air out of
the case, with no other fan trying to push air into the case from the
front.  This lets air come in through any holes you have in the case.

Now you can use this air to cool specific things that need to be cooled,
like disk drives.  I arrange for each drive to have air pulled across it
by this air.  If you have a drive under the floppy, you can leave the
spot between the drive and the floppy open and remove the plastic blank
panel for it from the front cover.  This lets air come in right over
that drive and cool it.  For my servers, I follow a similar strategy for
drives in the 5.25 inch slots.  Again, I leave the plastic blank panel
off the front cover to let air get at the drive if I put one there.
Since I can reach in an put my hand on the drive, I can check to make
sure that things are running cool.  This works very well.  Now if I had
a fan in the front pushing air in, it would starve the air coming over
the disks.

Steve Rose


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
 Most cases have the one in front pulling it into the case 
 while the one in back pulls it out.  Try that and make 
 sure air can flow through your case.
 
 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:26:38 +0200
  mathieu perrenoud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. 
When I saw the price, I 
buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place 
them in the case.
The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at 
the rear of the case 
and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the 
outside. Yesterday, 
you told me that it could be better to pull air inside 
and the guy at the 
shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front 
pulling air inside and 
one at the rear blowing air outside.
I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's 
instructions? or the guy's 
advice.
I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in 
the back. If it's 
stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be 
greatly appreciated.
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless configuration howto?

2003-09-26 Thread Chris Bare

 
 i believe you will want to emerge wireless-tools then do a man iwconfig or=
 =20
 something similar...  i think there is even a /etc/conf.d/net.wireless conf=
 ig=20
 file and a /etc/init.d/net.wireless script
 

Thanks for the pointer, I've got wireless-tools and am studying
iwconfig, but the only wireless files I have under etc are:

/etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts
/etc/pcmcia/wireless

I was expecting something like /etc/init.d/net.wireless, is there
another package it could be in?

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

By leaving off the front panel you essentially do what a 
front fan does - push/pull air through from the front of 
the case.  With a front fan you put some pressure behind 
it to help it move through the case.

The idea is the front fan pushes air into the box while 
the power supply fan and/or back fan pull it out.  You 
want to keep the air moving through the case, across the 
boards, etc and keep it's velocity up.
  

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
 Stephen Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I disagree with this.  In my experience, this 
doesn't really
help and can even starve cooling in some cases.  The 
problem is the
front fan.  It offsets the air that is being pulled out 
of the case from
the rear fans (the power supply and any other fans you 
might have back
there).  Enlight cases, which are what I use, typically 
have a fan on
the power supply and one in front, low in the case.  I 
take the one in
front and move it to a spot in the rear, just below the 
power supply
where there is a cut out for it on these cases.  Yours 
may not have a
spot like that, but it's really good if it does.  Now I 
have both the
power supply fan and the fan in the back of the case 
pulling air out of
the case, with no other fan trying to push air into the 
case from the
front.  This lets air come in through any holes you have 
in the case.

Now you can use this air to cool specific things that 
need to be cooled,
like disk drives.  I arrange for each drive to have air 
pulled across it
by this air.  If you have a drive under the floppy, you 
can leave the
spot between the drive and the floppy open and remove the 
plastic blank
panel for it from the front cover.  This lets air come in 
right over
that drive and cool it.  For my servers, I follow a 
similar strategy for
drives in the 5.25 inch slots.  Again, I leave the 
plastic blank panel
off the front cover to let air get at the drive if I put 
one there.
Since I can reach in an put my hand on the drive, I can 
check to make
sure that things are running cool.  This works very well. 
Now if I had
a fan in the front pushing air in, it would starve the 
air coming over
the disks.

Steve Rose

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you 
wrote:
Most cases have the one in front pulling it into the 
case 
while the one in back pulls it out.  Try that and make 
sure air can flow through your case.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:26:38 +0200
 mathieu perrenoud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. 
When I saw the price, I 
buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place 
them in the case.
The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at 
the rear of the case 
and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the 
outside. Yesterday, 
you told me that it could be better to pull air inside 
and the guy at the 
shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front 
pulling air inside and 
one at the rear blowing air outside.
I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's 
instructions? or the guy's 
advice.
I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in 
the back. If it's 
stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be 
greatly appreciated.
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

I don't leave the whole front panel off, just the blank in front of the
disk that I want to cool.  A front fan would push air in and would to
work against what the fans in the rear are trying to do, create a
partial vacuum in the case.  The fans in the back of the case still move
the same amount of air out, but the fan in the front doesn't really do
any good and works against the partial vacuum so less air actually goes
over the drives in the manner that I described.  I suppose a fan in
front would help direct air to the motherboard and cards, if that was
where your cooling problem was.  But I never have anything there that
needs that much cooling.  The video card GPU and northbridge have fans,
if they need one.  So there's no particular reason to direct air to
them, just get the heat out of the case, which the rear fans do.  That's
my reasoning, anyway.

Steve Rose


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
 By leaving off the front panel you essentially do what a 
 front fan does - push/pull air through from the front of 
 the case.  With a front fan you put some pressure behind 
 it to help it move through the case.
 
 The idea is the front fan pushes air into the box while 
 the power supply fan and/or back fan pull it out.  You 
 want to keep the air moving through the case, across the 
 boards, etc and keep it's velocity up.

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew Gaffney

Marshal Newrock wrote:
After seeing this discussed on here - using an SQL database for Portage -
I decided to take this on as a project.  (I had to pause for a bit to
learn how to program a web page so I could share it with the world.)
It's still a bit rough, and there's a few things it doesn't do yet.  What
it does do is scan every ebuild in /usr/portage and put all the info,
including description, homepage, and depends, in a MySQL database.  A
second program, when written, will be responsible for marking what is and
is not installed.  By itself, it's not very useful, but it can be used by
a package management program which uses the database as a backend,
including depends based on current use flags.
It does, of course, take a while to run this program.

Anyone interested can look at
http://www.simons-rock.edu/~marshal/projects/portage2sql/
Check out portagesql.breakmygentoo.net

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Re: [gentoo-user] Dependency problem

2003-09-26 Thread Kurt Bechstein

Ok, I have found the dependency using the debug feature of emerge.  It
is xfree-drm that for some reason wants to install aa-sources on my
machine.  Anybody know why that would be since I don't have aa-sources
even installed?  Thanks.


On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 09:21, Kurt Bechstein wrote:
 I have a small problem with portage I believe.  When I do:
 emerge sync
 emerge -upDv world
 
 it shows aa-sources as being one of the things that needs installed as a
 new package.  Odd things is that I don't use aa-sources.  If I exclude
 the D option it does not show up.  So it's something doing the deep
 dependency check that wants aa-sources.  So is there a way to tell what
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Marshal Newrock

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote:

 Check out portagesql.breakmygentoo.net

Ah, I wasn't aware of this.  It's probably a bit more sophisticated than
my simple attempt.  It was a good exercise anyway.  :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew Gaffney

Marshal Newrock wrote:
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote:


Check out portagesql.breakmygentoo.net


Ah, I wasn't aware of this.  It's probably a bit more sophisticated than
my simple attempt.  It was a good exercise anyway.  :)
They have basically rewritten portage from the ground up. It's not 
exactly as feature rich as the real portage, but most of the basic stuff 
is there. They have a backend plugin system, so you can use just about 
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

There won't be a vaccum - one fan pushes air in, the other 
pulls it out.  You simply want to put as much air through 
the case and have it maintain a good velocity.  Most of 
the problems I've seen have been processor and video. Even 
though they have fans if there isn't any cooler air for 
them they'll still heat up.

Drives are another issue - the case fans won't address 
them.  In the past I've used drive mounts that had grills 
and fans built in to pull air from front over the drive. 
However when you get three SCSI drives that still doesn't 
work well.  For system with a large number of drives I go 
to a server cabinet that is designed for the load - it's 
got the fans and good cooling paths.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:06:48 -0700 (PDT)
 Stephen Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't leave the whole front panel off, just the blank 
in front of the
disk that I want to cool.  A front fan would push air in 
and would to
work against what the fans in the rear are trying to do, 
create a
partial vacuum in the case.  The fans in the back of the 
case still move
the same amount of air out, but the fan in the front 
doesn't really do
any good and works against the partial vacuum so less air 
actually goes
over the drives in the manner that I described.  I 
suppose a fan in
front would help direct air to the motherboard and cards, 
if that was
where your cooling problem was.  But I never have 
anything there that
needs that much cooling.  The video card GPU and 
northbridge have fans,
if they need one.  So there's no particular reason to 
direct air to
them, just get the heat out of the case, which the rear 
fans do.  That's
my reasoning, anyway.

Steve Rose

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you 
wrote:
By leaving off the front panel you essentially do what a 
front fan does - push/pull air through from the front of 
the case.  With a front fan you put some pressure behind 
it to help it move through the case.

The idea is the front fan pushes air into the box while 
the power supply fan and/or back fan pull it out.  You 
want to keep the air moving through the case, across the 
boards, etc and keep it's velocity up.
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[gentoo-user] XF86Config and NVIDIA

2003-09-26 Thread a park

While installing gentoo, I emerged nvidia-kernel because I have a GeForce 
4400.  I was able to boot up and I configured my XF86Config file with the 
values that I had when I was running Redhat 7.2.  At that time, I set the 
video card driver to nvidia in the XF86Config file.  When I try to startx 
on my Gentoo box it throws a message that it can not find the nvidia driver. 
 Does anybody have the correct XF86Config lines for a GeForce 4400 and 
nvidia-kernel?

Andrew

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RE: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Jeffrey Smelser

I was reading the site, any ideas when this can be a option in the real portage?? this 
would be a great feature to have. 

It doesn't say on the site if it will every get incorporated in.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:30 AM
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 Marshal Newrock wrote:
  On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote:

 Check out portagesql.breakmygentoo.net

  Ah, I wasn't aware of this.  It's probably a bit more 
 sophisticated than
  my simple attempt.  It was a good exercise anyway.  :)

 They have basically rewritten portage from the ground up. It's not 
 exactly as feature rich as the real portage, but most of the 
 basic stuff 
 is there. They have a backend plugin system, so you can use 
 just about 
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Re: [gentoo-user] XF86Config and NVIDIA

2003-09-26 Thread ihatemilk

On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:35:13AM -0400, a park wrote:
 While installing gentoo, I emerged nvidia-kernel because I have a GeForce 
 4400.  I was able to boot up and I configured my XF86Config file with the 
 values that I had when I was running Redhat 7.2.  At that time, I set the 
 video card driver to nvidia in the XF86Config file.  When I try to startx 
 on my Gentoo box it throws a message that it can not find the nvidia 
 driver. Does anybody have the correct XF86Config lines for a GeForce 4400 
  and nvidia-kernel?
 
Did you install nvidia-glx?  And cap you modprobe nvidia.o?

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Re: [gentoo-user] XF86Config and NVIDIA

On Friday 26 September 2003 11:35 am, a park wrote:
 While installing gentoo, I emerged nvidia-kernel because I have a
 GeForce 4400.  I was able to boot up and I configured my XF86Config
 file with the values that I had when I was running Redhat 7.2.  At
 that time, I set the video card driver to nvidia in the
 XF86Config file.  When I try to startx on my Gentoo box it throws a
 message that it can not find the nvidia driver. Does anybody have
 the correct XF86Config lines for a GeForce 4400 and nvidia-kernel?

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Have you emerged nvidia-glx? try that first and then check this bit of 
the X config against yours.

# This loads the GLX module
Load  extmod
#Load  xie
#Load  pex5
#   Load  dri  # note that this line MUST be removed or
 # commented
Load  dbe
Load  record
Load  xtrap
Load  glx
#   Load  Xrender
Load  speedo
Load  type1
EndSection


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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

2003-09-26 Thread Joe Stone

Hi !

Something about fans.

If you block the low-pressure-side of a fan (with cables, finger-quards,...) 
the pressure-increase over the fan is much lower compared to the situation, 
if you have the barriers on the high-pressure-side (the side, where the air 
comes out). I remember a lecture, where somebody from papst-fans said 
something about 25% of the pressure-increase with a flat plate 10 mm near the 
fan on the sucking side compared to the plate on the blowing side.
And then it is possible that you have not enough flow rate.

Thats the main reason, why CPU-Coolers blow toward the heat-sink and not the 
other way.

Try to have much room on the sucking side of the fan. 
If you want to blow cold air from outside, put the fan outside the case and 
blow through the holes into the case.

The air on the sucking side of a fan comes from everywhere, also from the 
blowing side.
This is like your loudspeaker. You can put a small plate in radial direction 
(the plane, in which the axial fan rotates) to prevent this air bypass.

The air on the blowing side goes into one direction and diffuses the farer you 
are. So you can control the air-stream. I use litte fans in the case to bring 
more air to critical regions.

If you blow the air into the case, the pressure in the case is higher than 
outside and the (warm) air goes out through every hole, also through your 
floppy-drive. If you have a dusty room like me, then this can come to a 
problem.
If you blow the air out of the case, the pressure in the case is lower than 
outside and the fresh air comes everywhere in (This is the situation, if you 
have only the fan to the outside in the powersupply).

If you suck the air out in the front area of your case, you have always warm 
feet. Do this, if you like this.

Warm air goes up, so better try to get the air out of your case in top regions 
and blow in at the bottom.
If you blow the air into the case near the (dusty?) floor you can get a 
problem with dust.

I hope you could get some useable infos out of this.
If you have not enough holes in your case, simple make them. But you will 
lower the protection against electromagnetic waves. The holes have to be 
smaller than the wavelength if I remeber correct. 
If your highest frequency in your box is 2 GHz you have to stay under 15 cm. 
Or am I wrong? How high is the higest freq? How for example is the 2 GHz for 
the CPU generated?


Try to feel like the wind in your case and you will see the problems *grin*

Joe


On Friday 26 September 2003 14:26, mathieu perrenoud wrote:
 After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. When I saw the
 price, I buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place them in the
 case. The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at the rear of
 the case and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the outside.
 Yesterday, you told me that it could be better to pull air inside and the
 guy at the shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front pulling
 air inside and one at the rear blowing air outside.
 I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's instructions? or the
 guy's advice.
 I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in the back. If it's
 stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be greatly appreciated.


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RE: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Ricardo Nuno

Hi,

I think you want to have a look on this project:
http://portagesql.breakmygentoo.net/

regards,
RNuno

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From: Marshal Newrock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: sexta-feira, 26 de Setembro de 2003 15:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL


After seeing this discussed on here - using an SQL database for Portage -
I decided to take this on as a project.  (I had to pause for a bit to
learn how to program a web page so I could share it with the world.)
It's still a bit rough, and there's a few things it doesn't do yet.  What
it does do is scan every ebuild in /usr/portage and put all the info,
including description, homepage, and depends, in a MySQL database.  A
second program, when written, will be responsible for marking what is and
is not installed.  By itself, it's not very useful, but it can be used by
a package management program which uses the database as a backend,
including depends based on current use flags.

It does, of course, take a while to run this program.

Anyone interested can look at
http://www.simons-rock.edu/~marshal/projects/portage2sql/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Dependency problem

2003-09-26 Thread Mike Williams

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On Friday 26 September 2003 16:24, Kurt Bechstein wrote:
 Ok, I have found the dependency using the debug feature of emerge.  It
 is xfree-drm that for some reason wants to install aa-sources on my
 machine.  Anybody know why that would be since I don't have aa-sources
 even installed?  Thanks.

Check out /var/cache/edb/virtuals, you may have a line like

virtual/linux-sources aa-sources

Change, or create, it and make it

'virtual/linux-sources sys-kernel/each-kernel-sources-installed '

Without the quotes, but with the extra space on the end!

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

I agree with you that there won't be a vacuum if you have a fan in
front, but I want a vacuum so that's why I don't use one.  As far as
real servers go, I agree with you about real server cases for computer
room servers with scsi drives.  My servers are in my bed room.  Not the
one that I sleep in though.  :-)  I want them to be as quiet as
possible, so I use ide drives and no more fans than I need to get them
to cool. But that's not so bad anymore what with 250 GB drives, etc. 
I'm plenty happy with three spindles in the case, at least for now.

Steve Rose


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
 There won't be a vaccum - one fan pushes air in, the other 
 pulls it out.  You simply want to put as much air through 
 the case and have it maintain a good velocity.  Most of 
 the problems I've seen have been processor and video. Even 
 though they have fans if there isn't any cooler air for 
 them they'll still heat up.
 
 Drives are another issue - the case fans won't address 
 them.  In the past I've used drive mounts that had grills 
 and fans built in to pull air from front over the drive. 
 However when you get three SCSI drives that still doesn't 
 work well.  For system with a large number of drives I go 
 to a server cabinet that is designed for the load - it's 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Dependency problem

2003-09-26 Thread Kurt Bechstein

That was the problem.  The virtuals file still had some stale entries as
far as kernel sources went. I took those out and all was well.  Just
wondering if that is a possible bug or just a fluke. 



On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:03, Mike Williams wrote:
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 On Friday 26 September 2003 16:24, Kurt Bechstein wrote:
  Ok, I have found the dependency using the debug feature of emerge.  It
  is xfree-drm that for some reason wants to install aa-sources on my
  machine.  Anybody know why that would be since I don't have aa-sources
  even installed?  Thanks.
 
 Check out /var/cache/edb/virtuals, you may have a line like
 
 virtual/linux-sources aa-sources
 
 Change, or create, it and make it
 
 'virtual/linux-sources sys-kernel/each-kernel-sources-installed '
 
 Without the quotes, but with the extra space on the end!
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew Gaffney

I emailed the developer asking him about this. Well, I asked him why 
they didn't just use portage and hack the backend plugin code into 
portage. He said that portage was such a hack job that it would just be 
easier to do a complete rewrite. I believe he also talked to some of the 
Gentoo portage developers to see if there was any interest in 
incorporating this into portage. He said they weren't.

Jeffrey Smelser wrote:
I was reading the site, any ideas when this can be a option in the real portage?? this would be a great feature to have. 

It doesn't say on the site if it will every get incorporated in.


-Original Message-
From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL
Marshal Newrock wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote:



Check out portagesql.breakmygentoo.net


Ah, I wasn't aware of this.  It's probably a bit more 
sophisticated than

my simple attempt.  It was a good exercise anyway.  :)
They have basically rewritten portage from the ground up. It's not 
exactly as feature rich as the real portage, but most of the 
basic stuff 
is there. They have a backend plugin system, so you can use 
just about 
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RE: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL

2003-09-26 Thread Jeffrey Smelser

Interesting.

Well, I am going to install this tonight when I get home and I will see how this would 
really affect the real portage.. From the web site, it still uses the /usr/portage 
tree. 

Maybe when they rewrite the real portage they will rethink it.. 

Does anyone out there use it? can you switch back and forth between emergesql and 
emerge without problems?

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:20 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL
 
 
 I emailed the developer asking him about this. Well, I asked him why 
 they didn't just use portage and hack the backend plugin code into 
 portage. He said that portage was such a hack job that it 
 would just be 
 easier to do a complete rewrite. I believe he also talked to 
 some of the 
 Gentoo portage developers to see if there was any interest in 
 incorporating this into portage. He said they weren't.
 
 Jeffrey Smelser wrote:
  I was reading the site, any ideas when this can be a option 
 in the real portage?? this would be a great feature to have. 
  
  It doesn't say on the site if it will every get incorporated in.
  
  
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 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:30 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] portage in SQL
 
 
 Marshal Newrock wrote:
 
 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
 
 
 
 Check out portagesql.breakmygentoo.net
 
 
 Ah, I wasn't aware of this.  It's probably a bit more 
 
 sophisticated than
 
 my simple attempt.  It was a good exercise anyway.  :)
 
 They have basically rewritten portage from the ground up. It's not 
 exactly as feature rich as the real portage, but most of the 
 basic stuff 
 is there. They have a backend plugin system, so you can use 
 just about 
 any database that you want.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

Mine are in a room over the garage G.  I run some with 
RAID arrays of six drives.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
 Stephen Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with you that there won't be a vacuum if you have 
a fan in
front, but I want a vacuum so that's why I don't use one. 
As far as
real servers go, I agree with you about real server cases 
for computer
room servers with scsi drives.  My servers are in my bed 
room.  Not the
one that I sleep in though.  :-)  I want them to be as 
quiet as
possible, so I use ide drives and no more fans than I 
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

2003-09-26 Thread Anthony Floyd

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
Stephen Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree with you that there won't be a vacuum if you have a fan in
 front, but I want a vacuum so that's why I don't use one.  As far as

But, the point is that a vacuum is counter-productive.  You *shouldn't* want a vacuum.

Think of it this way (very simplified):

A fan moves air.  When the pressure on the intake side of the fan is lower than that 
on the outlet side, the fan moves less air (or, if you want to think of it like this, 
the fan must work harder to move the same amount of air).  When the pressure on the 
inlet side is higher than that of the outlet side, it moves more air.

Air cooling works by convection.  The more air you can pass over a hot thing, the more 
heat dissipated.

So, you want to move as much air as possible.

It is therefore advantageous to have a blower (inlet fan) as opposed to a vacuum so 
that you can move as much air as possible.

Now, your argument about directing air over specific devices does have some merit.  
Ideally you want drive plate fans blowing air over the drives, adding to the 
*positive* pressure inside your case.

Cheers,
Anthony.

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RE: [gentoo-user] installing fans

2003-09-26 Thread Rex Young


But, the point is that a vacuum is counter-productive.  You 
*shouldn't* want a vacuum.

Think of it this way (very simplified):

A fan moves air.  When the pressure on the intake side of the 
fan is lower than that on the outlet side, the fan moves less 
air (or, if you want to think of it like this, the fan must 
work harder to move the same amount of air).  When the 
pressure on the inlet side is higher than that of the outlet 
side, it moves more air.

Air cooling works by convection.  The more air you can pass 
over a hot thing, the more heat dissipated.

So, you want to move as much air as possible.

It is therefore advantageous to have a blower (inlet fan) as 
opposed to a vacuum so that you can move as much air as possible.

Now, your argument about directing air over specific devices 
does have some merit.  Ideally you want drive plate fans 
blowing air over the drives, adding to the *positive* pressure 
inside your case.


Anthony is right.  What Steve it getting at, however, is that he
is accepting a slightly lower airflow overall in order to direct
airflow over specific components, such as hard drives.

My recommendation would be to mount the hard drives low in the case,
put a fan right in front of them, and created a better balance of
forced inlet and outlet flow.

Sorry for jumping in, but pumps (fans, etc) are a topic on which I'm
quite knowledgable.

-rex

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

There's probably a lot of ways to do it.  But this works well for me.  I
do monitor the tempurature of the various components with remote
thermometers.  Actually, with a reasonable amount air moving through the
case, I don't really believe that convection has that much of a chance
to take part in the cooling.  Again, my opinion.

Steve Rose


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
 Stephen Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I agree with you that there won't be a vacuum if you have a fan in
 front, but I want a vacuum so that's why I don't use one.  As far as
 
 But, the point is that a vacuum is counter-productive.  You *shouldn't* want a 
 vacuum.
 
 Think of it this way (very simplified):
 
 A fan moves air.  When the pressure on the intake side of the fan is lower than that 
 on the outlet side, the fan moves less air (or, if you want to think of it like 
 this, the fan must work harder to move the same amount of air).  When the pressure 
 on the inlet side is higher than that of the outlet side, it moves more air.
 
 Air cooling works by convection.  The more air you can pass over a hot thing, the 
 more heat dissipated.
 
 So, you want to move as much air as possible.
 
 It is therefore advantageous to have a blower (inlet fan) as opposed to a vacuum 
 so that you can move as much air as possible.
 
 Now, your argument about directing air over specific devices does have some merit.  
 Ideally you want drive plate fans blowing air over the drives, adding to the 
 *positive* pressure inside your case.
 
 Cheers,
 Anthony.
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Happy am i

2003-09-26 Thread Ben Sparks

On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 19:22, Chris Spencer wrote:
 On September 26, 2003 01:14 am, Jason Cooper wrote:
  I just received approval from my company's IT department to go ahead and
  wipe XP off of my work laptop. :v
 

How did you convince them?  I've been try at work for a while with no
luck.  


 Must be nice man
 
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[gentoo-user] Depend problem

2003-09-26 Thread Vicent Brocal Tortosa

Hi!

After the last sync with Portage tree, I've experienced a problems while trying update 
the system:

Calculating dependencies   
!!! all ebuilds that could satisfy dev-python/python-selinux have been masked.
!!!(dependency required by sys-apps/portage-2.0.49-r3 [ebuild])

!!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.

I've checked packages.mask file and all seems correct.The selinux flag is 
activated in the USE variable, but I'm not sure that it would be a good thing to play 
with it.
Someone could help me?

Thanks, 
Vicent.

(Sorry for my bad English :))

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[gentoo-user] how to measure my network traffic?

2003-09-26 Thread gabor

hi,

i've just got connected to tghe internet using a cable modem, 
and i'd like to know how much do i down/upload.

so ideally i want something that will run in the background and create a logfile,
and i can ask him how much was the upstream/downstream traffic for the last x days.

i found mrtg, but isn't there anything simpler?

thanks,
gabor 
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who never comes home.  Always someone loving something more than that 
thing loves them.  And after awhile you want to destroy whatever 
that thing is, so it can't hurt you no more.
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[gentoo-user] still mplayer problems

2003-09-26 Thread Alberto Bert

Hi all,

I tried to make mplayer working but I still cannot also after some your
suggestions.

the mozilla plugin just write that is loading on the space in the page
but nothing happen and mplayer itself has some strange behaviour.
I though it was the network but I can see everything with windows, so I
downloaded realplayer and for example:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] alb$ ./local/RealPlayer8/realplay 
rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm

works, but

[EMAIL PROTECTED] alb$ mplayer 
rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm

301015194.rm/
MPlayer 0.91-3.2.3  (C) 2000-2003 MPlayer Team
CPU: Intel  (Family: 8, Stepping: 7)
Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2

Reading config file /usr/share/mplayer/mplayer.conf
Reading config file /home/alb/.mplayer/config
Reading /home/alb/.mplayer/codecs.conf: can't open
'/home/alb/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
Reading /usr/share/mplayer/codecs.conf: 50 audio  136 video codecs
font: can't open file: /home/alb/.mplayer/font/font.desc
Font /usr/share/mplayer/font/font.desc loaded successfully! (206 chars)
Failed to open /dev/rtc: Permission denied (mplayer should be setuid
root or /dev/rtc should be readable by the user.)
Using usleep() timing
Can't open input config file /home/alb/.mplayer/input.conf: No such file
or directory
Input config file /usr/share/mplayer/input.conf parsed: 52 binds

Playing
rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm/
RTSP protocol support requires the LIVE.COM Streaming Media libraries!
Unable to open URL:
rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm/


Exiting... (End of file)

so, I don't know what I'm doing since people say that maplayer works, is
there any permission to set...

any help is REALLY appreciated
thanx,
alb

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Re: [gentoo-user] Depend problem

2003-09-26 Thread Mike Williams

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On Friday 26 September 2003 17:51, Vicent Brocal Tortosa wrote:
 Hi!

 After the last sync with Portage tree, I've experienced a problems while
 trying update the system:

 Calculating dependencies
 !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy dev-python/python-selinux have been
 masked. !!!(dependency required by sys-apps/portage-2.0.49-r3
 [ebuild])

 !!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.

   I've checked packages.mask file and all seems correct.The selinux flag
 is activated in the USE variable, but I'm not sure that it would be a good
 thing to play with it. Someone could help me?

I know very little about selinux, but unless I was building a box were 
security was of absolute importance I wouldn't use it. 

dev-python/python-selinux is marked as unstable.
Easiest way round is
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge portage
Then do your world/system update.

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

2003-09-26 Thread Collins Richey

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
Stephen Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There's probably a lot of ways to do it.  But this works well for me.  I
 do monitor the tempurature of the various components with remote
 thermometers.  Actually, with a reasonable amount air moving through the
 case, I don't really believe that convection has that much of a chance
 to take part in the cooling.  Again, my opinion.
 
 Steve Rose
 

Just out of curiosity, what is the normal max temperature tolerted by drives,
cpu's, etc?  The only tool I have to provide temp info is hddtemp.  hda (older,
slower) does not return temp info, but hdb normally is 48C-51C.  Is this good,
bad, or indifferent?

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Re: [gentoo-user] still mplayer problems

2003-09-26 Thread Mike Williams

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On Friday 26 September 2003 18:01, Alberto Bert wrote:
 Hi all,

 I tried to make mplayer working but I still cannot also after some your
 suggestions.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] alb$ mplayer
 rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm

 Playing
 rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm/
***
 RTSP protocol support requires the LIVE.COM Streaming Media libraries!
 Unable to open URL:
***
 rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm/

 so, I don't know what I'm doing since people say that maplayer works, is
 there any permission to set...

 any help is REALLY appreciated

Whatever LIVE.COM Streaming Media libraries are, they're obviously very 
needed!
I get the same outcome too on my laptop, stable x86, upto date, mplayer 0.91 
and without realplayer. My desktop is unstable x86, week or so out of date, 
mplayer 1.0pre1 with realplayer installed and it CAN play that rtsp stream.

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RE: [gentoo-user] how to measure my network traffic?

2003-09-26 Thread Mark Knecht


 hi,

 i've just got connected to tghe internet using a cable modem,
 and i'd like to know how much do i down/upload.

I recently discovered the gkrellm keeps just this sort of data, although
it's not really very deep. It's nice and easy to use. You just click on a
little silver box in the lower right of the network traffic section and it
gives you a groovy little readout.

However, on one machine of mine the data seems to survive reboots, and on
the other it doesn't. Go figure.




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[gentoo-user] /etc/X0.hosts

2003-09-26 Thread Bob Barry

I'm running gentoo 1.4.  Xhost works as I expect, but I can't get 
/etc/X0.hosts to do anything.  Is it disabled somewhere?  Am I using
the wrong syntax?

 xhost
access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
 cat /etc/X0.hosts 
LOCAL:
 xhost $(cat /etc/X0.hosts) 
non-network local connections being added to access control list
 xhost
access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
LOCAL:
 

TIA,

Bob Barry


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Re: [gentoo-user] can i rebuild the world with emerge -u -e --deep world?

2003-09-26 Thread HvR

On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:48, Jason Stubbs wrote:

On Friday 26 September 2003 13:47, HvR wrote:
after installing gentoo for 2 weeks now and i finally figured out what
i need for USE and CFLAGS, so now i want to rebuild my world, can i
just use: emerge -u --deep -e world ? will that rebuild everything on a
running system or will things break. i rather not go back to stage1 also
i like to keep all my config files intact. do i need to turn of X before
i rebuild the world?

I was in the same boat. I've recompiled world several times and have done it
while using the system each time. That is, I've kept all my servers going
(bind, postfix, etc) and have been using kde (konqueror, kmail, etc) without
ever having a problem - even on the upgrade from qt31 to qt32.

Just emerge -e world will do it. I suggest you find a way to track what
you've rebuilt and what you haven't before your start, though, just in case.
I usually use emerge -ep world and put the list of packages (without the
version numbers) generated in a file called pkgs. I then use the following
when rebuilding:

for i in `cat pkgs`; do emerge --one-shot $i (grep -v $i pkgs pkgs2; mv
pkgs2 pkgs) done

That way you will have a list of any packages that fail to compile for some
reason and a way to restart if it needs to be stopped for any reason.

isnt there an order to the packages? like you have to build the glibc first? doesnt every program get linked with it? or gcc do make the rest go faster? if not your trick is great: on another machine i had to do everything from scratch 3 times since something would happen in the middle of it and i didnt know how far it got.

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [gentoo-user] Happy am i

2003-09-26 Thread Jason Cooper

Ben Sparks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled:
 On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 19:22, Chris Spencer wrote:
  On September 26, 2003 01:14 am, Jason Cooper wrote:
   I just received approval from my company's IT department to go ahead and
   wipe XP off of my work laptop. :v
  
 
 How did you convince them?  I've been try at work for a while with no
 luck.  
 

I ran dual boot for six months, and never used windows for anything.  I
also made sure not to ask any linux questions of him.  Other than You
guys use dhcp, right?  and What's the address for the exchange
server?  I didn't bother him.  So he knows I'm not going to harass him
with a buch of support questions he can't answer.  

It also helps that I was hired in as an engineer to develop in a Linux
environment.  Not to mention, it's a small company moving into embedded
linux, so they're serious about it and want to learn about it.  As I
install Gentoo and make it my daily workhorse (printing, coding, browsing,
editting docs, email, etc) I'll document the install and config so 
someone else can try it.  

Why do I suddenly feel like an evangelist? :)  

The body count, so far:

1 Jr. Engr using Cygwin
1 Sr. Engr using OpenOffice

The infection is spreading, slowly...

Cooper.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Depend problem

2003-09-26 Thread Vicent Brocal Tortosa

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:03:05 +0100
Mike Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 On Friday 26 September 2003 17:51, Vicent Brocal Tortosa wrote:
  Hi!
 
  After the last sync with Portage tree, I've experienced a problems while
  trying update the system:
 
  Calculating dependencies
  !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy dev-python/python-selinux have been
  masked. !!!(dependency required by sys-apps/portage-2.0.49-r3
  [ebuild])
 
  !!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.
 
  I've checked packages.mask file and all seems correct.The selinux flag
  is activated in the USE variable, but I'm not sure that it would be a good
  thing to play with it. Someone could help me?
 
 I know very little about selinux, but unless I was building a box were
 security was of absolute importance I wouldn't use it. 

I only was worried about the internal use only warning in the use.desc file; I'm 
little experienced with Gentoo. Adding -selinux flag to the USE var has solved the 
problem.
Thanks for you interest.

Vicent.

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans (was: strange informations from lm-sensors)

2003-09-26 Thread Alan

On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:26:38PM +0200, mathieu perrenoud wrote:
 After my yesterday's thread, I decided to buy one fan. When I saw the price, I 
 buyed two instead. But now, I don't know how to place them in the case.
 The boxes of the fans says that I should place them at the rear of the case 
 and make sure they pull air from the inside toward the outside. Yesterday, 
 you told me that it could be better to pull air inside and the guy at the 
 shop told me that on his own box he had a fan in front pulling air inside and 
 one at the rear blowing air outside.
 I'm at a complete loss here. Should I follow box's instructions? or the guy's 
 advice.

Sounds like they are both telling you the same thing, in slightly
different ways.  You want a fan at the front, pulling cold air into the
box, and one at the back, pushing hot air out of the box.  This
arrangement creates a tunnel of air that travels over your
CPU/memory/Video card that helps to cool them.  Some cases or case mods
also allow you to put a fan in the side, again, blowing air out of the
box.

The fan instructions:
place them at the rear of the case and make sure they pull air from the 
inside toward the outside.
  -- IE: a fan at the back pulling air out

Yesterday in the forums:
better to pull air inside
  -- IE: a fan at the front pulling air in

The guys instructions:
he had a fan in front pulling air inside and one at the rear blowing air 
outside
  -- IE: one of each of the above.

 I think I'll first try with one in the front and one in the back. If it's 
 stupid or even dangerous, any quick warning would be greatly appreciated.

Nope, sounds good.  Just make sure the one at the front is pulling air
in and the one at the back is pushing it out ;)  I don't know which
would be better if you only have one fan to put in, but as you have
two, I'd go with the one of each solution :)

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to measure my network traffic?

2003-09-26 Thread Matthias F. Brandstetter

-- quoting gabor --
 i've just got connected to tghe internet using a cable modem,
 and i'd like to know how much do i down/upload.

 so ideally i want something that will run in the background and create a
 logfile, and i can ask him how much was the upstream/downstream traffic
 for the last x days.

I searched for something like that for a long time, but found nothing what 
I wanted. Then, I found a tool called ipac-ng [1] on sourceforge (don't 
think it's in portage) which is *exactly* what I need.

I had it up and running in less than 15 minutes, so it's really easy to 
use, but you can do very powerfull things with it as well. For example, 
you *can* log which kind of traffic comes in and goes out (ee. all http 
traffic), or you *can* log which traffic goes to which host (or subnet or 
anything like that), but you don't have to.

You can generate ASCII output with it, or you can create nice PNG graphs 
with HTML pages -- all what you need.

You can found ipac-ng here:
[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipac-ng/

Greetings, Matthias

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Re: [gentoo-user] still mplayer problems

2003-09-26 Thread ihatemilk

On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 07:01:30PM +0200, Alberto Bert wrote:
 Hi all,

Hi.

 
 Playing
 rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm/
 RTSP protocol support requires the LIVE.COM Streaming Media libraries!
 Unable to open URL:
 rtsp://livereal.fastweb.it/fastbox/real/raiclick/FMVRAI0301015194.rm/
 
 so, I don't know what I'm doing since people say that maplayer works, is
 there any permission to set...
 
emerge live.  Then re-emerge mplayer.

Brent (How to teach mplayer what audio/MPEG4-GENERIC is, I don't know)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Automagicailly Verify PGP Signatures

2003-09-26 Thread Matthew Vaughn

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I am aware of a package in portage called net-mail/pinepgp that may do
what you want. I used it briefly before deciding that pine has too many
colors and switched to mutt, but it does the job of handling pgp-signed
e-mail at the console.
MrPaulAR wrote:
| I've noticed alot of people PGP sign their messages on this list.  Is
| there anyway to automatically verify the messages upon receipt. I'm not
| that concerned about secuity so I don't care if this is all done
| automaticallywould just save alot of time on my end.
|
| I'm using Qmail  Qmail-Scanner  Spamassasin (from ~/.qmail)
|
| I'm suspecting there is a way to do this from either qmail-scanner or
| the .qmail file but googling didn't help me out much.
|
| For those of you who say just do it in your email client.  Eudora
| crashes about 1/2 the time I attempt the verify but in order to read the
| mail i have to verify it.  Otherwise it just shows up like an attachment
| even though it isn't.  My lowly Cyrix (yea, compiling is slow) CPU on my
| gentoo box will not run any X desktops nor do I even have a keyboard,
| mouse, or monitor connected to it.
|
| Thanks for the input.
|
| Paul
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

On Friday 26 September 2003 01:20 pm, Collins Richey wrote:
 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT)

 Stephen Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  There's probably a lot of ways to do it.  But this works well for
  me.  I do monitor the tempurature of the various components with
  remote thermometers.  Actually, with a reasonable amount air
  moving through the case, I don't really believe that convection
  has that much of a chance to take part in the cooling.  Again, my
  opinion.
 
  Steve Rose

 Just out of curiosity, what is the normal max temperature tolerted
 by drives, cpu's, etc?  The only tool I have to provide temp info
 is hddtemp.  hda (older, slower) does not return temp info, but hdb
 normally is 48C-51C.  Is this good, bad, or indifferent?


I currently have the covers of Gentoo_1 I am going to un plug my front 
fan and replace the covers. After about 1 hour, I will record hd and 
cpu temps, then reattach the fan. After another hour I will record 
the temps and post results current temps are: 
CPU = 35 C
HDA = 32 C
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to measure my network traffic?

2003-09-26 Thread Peter Eis

gabor wrote:

hi,

i've just got connected to tghe internet using a cable modem, 
and i'd like to know how much do i down/upload.

so ideally i want something that will run in the background and create a logfile,
and i can ask him how much was the upstream/downstream traffic for the last x days.
i found mrtg, but isn't there anything simpler?

Try vnstat - http://torus.lnet.lut.fi/vnstat/
It's fairly simple to use and creates nice reports.
peter

thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] lilo won't boot XP

2003-09-26 Thread Chris

I know it was basicly the same. What it tells me is that windows boot sector 
was corruted.The only way I know of to fix it is to reinstall windows. to do 
that without damaging linux unplug the second hd, then install. to get lilo 
to boot again after intalling windows use you cd to get back into gentoo and 
go through lilo setup. Unless someone else knows of an easier way.

On Friday 26 September 2003 06:52 am, Ben Anderson wrote:
 Chris,
 That's exactly what I have besides the fact that I only have one gentoo.
 Any thoughts what to do when that doesn't work?
 -Ben


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 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:23:25 -0500
 
 On Thursday 25 September 2003 07:57 pm, Ben Anderson wrote:
   I couldn't get grub configured to boot my windows, so I tried lilo, but
   still w/out success.  Here's from the lilo.conf
  
   other = /dev/hda1
 label = WindowsXP
 table = /dev/hda
  
   I have 2 hard drives.  The first one has XP and the second Gentoo.  I
   installed Lilo on the MBR of the first.  The menu comes up, but when I
   select WindowsXP, it just hangs.
   THanks,
   Ben Anderson
  
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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

Thanks for pointing out hddtemp.  I wasn't aware of it.  But after a
quick 'emerge hddtemp', I found out that only one of my drives seems to
support giving the tempurature.  That's kind of strange because they're
all Western Digital drives of recent vintage, 120 GB and two 200 GB.
One of the 200 GB drives gave me a tempurature of 32C.  Normally, I use
a remote probe thermometer and get readings of 34C. with some variation
depending on where the drive is.  In the past, I've seen specs of 55C
being the upper limit on some drives, but that seems really high to me.
Actually, your 48C-51C seems high to me as well.  I know that some
drives are much more sensitive than that.  The 45 GB IBM drives were
known for failing with the 'click of death' if you ran them too hot.

Steve Rose


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 Just out of curiosity, what is the normal max temperature tolerted by drives,
 cpu's, etc?  The only tool I have to provide temp info is hddtemp.  hda (older,
 slower) does not return temp info, but hdb normally is 48C-51C.  Is this good,
 bad, or indifferent?
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] installing fans

2003-09-26 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin

Hi,

On Friday 26 September 2003 17:20, Collins Richey wrote:

 Just out of curiosity, what is the normal max temperature tolerted by
 drives, cpu's, etc?  The only tool I have to provide temp info is hddtemp. 
 hda (older, slower) does not return temp info, but hdb normally is 48C-51C.
  Is this good, bad, or indifferent?

that is..not so good.
Harddisks are suffering a lot from heat, they should not get warmer then 35°C. 
Every degree more reduces lifetime dramatically. Have a search at google, 
some hardware sites reported about it, I think a year ago.

For cpumainbord temps emerge i2c and lm-sensors.

Glück Auf
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Re: [gentoo-user] Automagicailly Verify PGP Signatures

2003-09-26 Thread Wes Chow


You could, in theory, write some maildrop filters to perform the pgp
verification before it even hits your inbox.

Wes


On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 01:50:03PM -0400, Matthew Vaughn wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 I am aware of a package in portage called net-mail/pinepgp that may do
 what you want. I used it briefly before deciding that pine has too many
 colors and switched to mutt, but it does the job of handling pgp-signed
 e-mail at the console.
 
 MrPaulAR wrote:
 | I've noticed alot of people PGP sign their messages on this list.  Is
 | there anyway to automatically verify the messages upon receipt. I'm not
 | that concerned about secuity so I don't care if this is all done
 | automaticallywould just save alot of time on my end.
 |
 | I'm using Qmail  Qmail-Scanner  Spamassasin (from ~/.qmail)
 |
 | I'm suspecting there is a way to do this from either qmail-scanner or
 | the .qmail file but googling didn't help me out much.
 |
 | For those of you who say just do it in your email client.  Eudora
 | crashes about 1/2 the time I attempt the verify but in order to read the
 | mail i have to verify it.  Otherwise it just shows up like an attachment
 | even though it isn't.  My lowly Cyrix (yea, compiling is slow) CPU on my
 | gentoo box will not run any X desktops nor do I even have a keyboard,
 | mouse, or monitor connected to it.
 |
 | Thanks for the input.
 |
 | Paul
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to measure my network traffic?

2003-09-26 Thread Alex Nelson

On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 12:59, gabor wrote:
 hi,
 
 i've just got connected to tghe internet using a cable modem, 
 and i'd like to know how much do i down/upload.
 
 so ideally i want something that will run in the background and create a logfile,
 and i can ask him how much was the upstream/downstream traffic for the last x days.
 
 i found mrtg, but isn't there anything simpler?
 
 thanks,
 gabor 

You might want to look at ntop. It has it's own http server and will
give you all kinds of stats. Who, what where when and how. I use it on
my router and it rocks!

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[gentoo-user] portage emerge failed.

2003-09-26 Thread Max

!!! copy
/var/tmp/portage/portage-2.0.49-r6/image/usr/lib/portage/bin/pdb -
/usr/lib/portage/bin/pdb failed.!!! 
[Errno 1] Operation not permitted


pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-user] build world - mplayer error?

2003-09-26 Thread Jon

During my first 'build world' 

emerge --deep world

I got this error:

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HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
Length: 219,130 (420 to go) [application/octet-stream]

100%[] 219,1303.39K/sETA 00:00

09:07:12 (3.39 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/Blue-1.0.tar.bz2' saved [219130/219130]

 md5 src_uri ;-) MPlayer-1.0pre1.tar.bz2

!!! File is corrupt or incomplete. (Digests do not match)
 our recorded digest: 1ecd31d17b51f16332b1fcc7da36b312
  your file's digest: 6c3f032ddf401ca522900291de03fee5
!!! File does not exist: /usr/portage/distfiles//font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2

lemonaid portage #
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How can I fix this?
TIA.



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