Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
Michael Sullivan wrote: While we're on the subject of VB let me ask a question. I'm curious: Is there a clone of VB6 for Gentoo? I know about Gambas, but Gambas doesn't have a lot of the features I've grown used to in VB over the past several years, and I don't find the help system very helpful... -Michael Sullivan- Have you looked into Mono? I heard something about version 1.18 being in the portage tree, now...? Ian On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 13:29 -0600, Keith Gable wrote: Yes, this is something serious. Know how 16 bit apps are depreciated in XP? Sort of the same thing. In Longhorn, non-.NET VB/C apps will run depreciated. C is not a problem; just recompile with VS 7.0's cc. VB, however, is. VB.NET is totally different from VB6. Fortunately, though, Sun has every intention of making Java support Avalon, WinFX, Indigo, and all the hot new .NET/Longhorn stuff. I would recommend Java over VB any day. As for the OP, this is like way offtopic. Like, this is entirely the wrong domain name to be sending this message to. The wrong operating system even. That said, why not look at Litestep? Their several years worth of work is much better than anything you can throw up in VB in the time you have. May require you to learn C, but I'm managing it, so you can too (yes, I know VB like the back of my hand; I wrote a server in it ffs [yes, that's a bad idea, don't mention it]). Open formats for themes are present in LiteStep and BlackBox. Use their themes (or actually, use one of those two instead, their shell is better than anything you can throw together in VB -- there is no need to reinvent the wheel). On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:24:06 +0200, Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Yosifov wrote: I asume you know M$ is dropping support for non-.NET VB... Could someone tell me exactly what this means? I am trying to convert the boss to Java and if this was something serious then I might have a better shot. Does it mean that non .NET will not run properly on their forthcoming pieces of vomit OSes? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list begin:vcard fn:Ian K n:K;Ian email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] note;quoted-printable:Pentium 3=0D=0A= 500mHz=0D=0A= 256MB RAM=0D=0A= 80.0GB HDD=0D=0A= ATI Radeon 7000 Evil Wizard 64MB=0D=0A= Computer name: PentaQuad=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Ian K wrote: Michael Sullivan wrote: While we're on the subject of VB let me ask a question. I'm curious: Is there a clone of VB6 for Gentoo? I know about Gambas, but Gambas doesn't have a lot of the features I've grown used to in VB over the past several years, and I don't find the help system very helpful... Have you looked into Mono? I heard something about version 1.18 being in the portage tree, now...? First, I assume since he references Gambas that he's looking for a RAD tool. Mono is not a RAD tool but a compiler/interpreter set. Second, Mono is in portage. It's for C# not BASIC. Ric -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
Ivan Yosifov wrote: I asume you know M$ is dropping support for non-.NET VB... Could someone tell me exactly what this means? I am trying to convert the boss to Java and if this was something serious then I might have a better shot. Does it mean that non .NET will not run properly on their forthcoming pieces of vomit OSes? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Antoine wrote: Ivan Yosifov wrote: I asume you know M$ is dropping support for non-.NET VB... Could someone tell me exactly what this means? I am trying to convert the boss to Java and if this was something serious then I might have a better shot. Does it mean that non .NET will not run properly on their forthcoming pieces of vomit OSes? Probably means no more support, mo more updates and no more tools for VB. Microsoft has done a good job of making VB coding a backwater... -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
Yes, this is something serious. Know how 16 bit apps are depreciated in XP? Sort of the same thing. In Longhorn, non-.NET VB/C apps will run depreciated. C is not a problem; just recompile with VS 7.0's cc. VB, however, is. VB.NET is totally different from VB6. Fortunately, though, Sun has every intention of making Java support Avalon, WinFX, Indigo, and all the hot new .NET/Longhorn stuff. I would recommend Java over VB any day. As for the OP, this is like way offtopic. Like, this is entirely the wrong domain name to be sending this message to. The wrong operating system even. That said, why not look at Litestep? Their several years worth of work is much better than anything you can throw up in VB in the time you have. May require you to learn C, but I'm managing it, so you can too (yes, I know VB like the back of my hand; I wrote a server in it ffs [yes, that's a bad idea, don't mention it]). Open formats for themes are present in LiteStep and BlackBox. Use their themes (or actually, use one of those two instead, their shell is better than anything you can throw together in VB -- there is no need to reinvent the wheel). On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:24:06 +0200, Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Yosifov wrote: I asume you know M$ is dropping support for non-.NET VB... Could someone tell me exactly what this means? I am trying to convert the boss to Java and if this was something serious then I might have a better shot. Does it mean that non .NET will not run properly on their forthcoming pieces of vomit OSes? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Microsoft is a lot better at making money than it is at making good operating systems. -- Linus Torvalds -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
Does it mean that non .NET will not run properly on their forthcoming pieces of vomit OSes? Nope, it just means that support for VB 6 and earlier versions of the development tool will not be supported. Applications built under VB 6 will still run (obviously as there is a huge installation base of apps constructed under VB6). Just pray that you don't run into a bug because you will be SOL. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
While we're on the subject of VB let me ask a question. I'm curious: Is there a clone of VB6 for Gentoo? I know about Gambas, but Gambas doesn't have a lot of the features I've grown used to in VB over the past several years, and I don't find the help system very helpful... -Michael Sullivan- On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 13:29 -0600, Keith Gable wrote: Yes, this is something serious. Know how 16 bit apps are depreciated in XP? Sort of the same thing. In Longhorn, non-.NET VB/C apps will run depreciated. C is not a problem; just recompile with VS 7.0's cc. VB, however, is. VB.NET is totally different from VB6. Fortunately, though, Sun has every intention of making Java support Avalon, WinFX, Indigo, and all the hot new .NET/Longhorn stuff. I would recommend Java over VB any day. As for the OP, this is like way offtopic. Like, this is entirely the wrong domain name to be sending this message to. The wrong operating system even. That said, why not look at Litestep? Their several years worth of work is much better than anything you can throw up in VB in the time you have. May require you to learn C, but I'm managing it, so you can too (yes, I know VB like the back of my hand; I wrote a server in it ffs [yes, that's a bad idea, don't mention it]). Open formats for themes are present in LiteStep and BlackBox. Use their themes (or actually, use one of those two instead, their shell is better than anything you can throw together in VB -- there is no need to reinvent the wheel). On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:24:06 +0200, Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Yosifov wrote: I asume you know M$ is dropping support for non-.NET VB... Could someone tell me exactly what this means? I am trying to convert the boss to Java and if this was something serious then I might have a better shot. Does it mean that non .NET will not run properly on their forthcoming pieces of vomit OSes? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
I asume you know M$ is dropping support for non-.NET VB... On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 17:19 +, Ian K wrote: Hey everyone, I have some favors to ask of those who are interested. I am thinking of developing a new shell for Windows 2000/ME/XP (such as Aston), in Visual Basic (Yes, i know VB is worse than C++, but its the only language I know well enough to do something like this) and have a few simple questions. 1 Is there any existing open source skinning program that can skin Windows widgets, and window decorations? 2 What are some cool names? I would have chosen Avalon but M$ is using it. I want names that just suggest (with their sound) importance and awe, like Avalon does. Any ideas? I would obviously be releasing it under the GPL. Im still in the planning stages so dont expect to see anything too soon. Thanks! Ian PS I know its hard, but please try and stay on topic for this one thread... I really dont need to hear why I shouldn't be developing for Windows or even considering using VB, or things along that line.. -- Ivan Yosifov. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [VERY OT] A Windows shell Im creating
Ian K wrote: Hey everyone, I have some favors to ask of those who are interested. I am thinking of developing a new shell for Windows 2000/ME/XP (such as Aston), in Visual Basic (Yes, i know VB is worse than C++, but its the only language I know well enough to do something like this) and have a few simple questions. 1 Is there any existing open source skinning program that can skin Windows widgets, and window decorations? 2 What are some cool names? I would have chosen Avalon but M$ is using it. I want names that just suggest (with their sound) importance and awe, like Avalon does. Any ideas? I would obviously be releasing it under the GPL. Im still in the planning stages so dont expect to see anything too soon. Thanks! Ian PS I know its hard, but please try and stay on topic for this one thread... I really dont need to hear why I shouldn't be developing for Windows or even considering using VB, or things along that line.. Choose Avaron or Avelon or something similar. That way you'll get a lot of hits from mistyped search queries. ;) Eugene. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
