Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
A. R. wrote: http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ Nah! -- ditto! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
> http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ > > Nah! It's got to be an april fool's joke... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
I have to admit, it had me going for just a little while... On Apr 1, 2005 8:05 AM, Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A. R. wrote: > > > http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ > > > > > > > >Nah! > >-- > > > > > > > ditto! > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
Dave Nebinger wrote: http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ Nah! It's got to be an april fool's joke... Has to be. Why else would it use "NT" and "comercial-grade" in the same paragraph? -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
> >It's got to be an april fool's joke... > Has to be. Why else would it use "NT" and "comercial-grade" in the same > paragraph? Not really. Don't you know that GENTOO == Gee Everyone NT's Object Oriented? I'm not a programmer but I hear that Object Oriented programming makes it trivial to port anything to anything. I'm not the least bit surprised to hear this... - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
Mark Knecht wrote: It's got to be an april fool's joke... Has to be. Why else would it use "NT" and "comercial-grade" in the same paragraph? I understand porting as the process of adapting a piece of useful code so it works in a system it was not initially designed for. OO code should be no easier / difficult to port then modular code. I'm not a programmer but I hear that Object Oriented programming makes it trivial to port anything to anything. I'm not the least bit surprised to hear this... - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Is the part about MS buying the posix interface it true? I can't believe I fell for this even if just for the 5 minutes I though about how useless running linux on the NT kernel would be. Leo -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
Vineri 01 Aprilie 2005 18:03, A. R. a scris: > http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ nice one -- Adi -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
It's a good joke: # wget http://www.gentooexperimental.org/nt/distfiles/stages/stage1-latest.tar. bz2 --12:12:35-- http://www.gentooexperimental.org/nt/distfiles/stages/stage1-latest.tar. bz2 => `stage1-latest.tar.bz2' Resolving www.gentooexperimental.org... 213.131.245.105 Connecting to www.gentooexperimental.org[213.131.245.105]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 12:12:35 ERROR 404: Not Found. --- Chris Covington IT Plus One Health Management 75 Maiden Lane Suite 801 NY, NY 10038 646-312-6269 http://www.plusoneactive.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
On Apr 1, 2005 11:59 AM, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >It's got to be an april fool's joke... > > > Has to be. Why else would it use "NT" and "comercial-grade" in the same > > paragraph? > > Not really. Don't you know that > > GENTOO == Gee Everyone NT's Object Oriented? > > I'm not a programmer but I hear that Object Oriented programming makes > it trivial to port anything to anything. I'm not the least bit > surprised to hear this... > > - Mark > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > That's funny. I saw a couple other things today, too. I did an 'emerge -uD --newuse world' today which upgraded mplayer to mplayer-1.0_pre6-r2. If I hadn't been watching, I wouldn't have seen it, but there was a message that looked like this: !!! ERROR: media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r2 failed. !!! Function src_makarena, Line 1000, Exitcode 555- !!! All your base are belong to us! * APRIL FOOLS! so it looks like the Gentoo devs are having a good time today :D -- Brad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
On Apr 1, 2005, at 5:59 pm, Leo wrote: Is the part about MS buying the posix interface it true? I can't believe I fell for this even if just for the 5 minutes I though about how useless running linux on the NT kernel would be. I'd like to have that second sentence framed & hung on the wall of every corporate manager on the planet. It won't make any difference, of course, but the engineers will at least be able to point at it afterwards and say "we told you so". I'm not sure of the details, and whether the project is completed or under development, but Microsoft do indeed intend that one should be able to run Linux apps on their XP server products. I _think_ this is via system calls rather than a virtual machine, but I don't really know - I'm sure a Google would reveal more. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
Bradley: I hope you're not making fun of the makarena, I happen to like it! < with grin underneath!> Chris: & whyinhell would you want the NT kernel on your computer in the first place?; worst of both worlds!:: Windoze crash/kernel & Linux crash/GUI? Get Win4Lin & do it right: Linux bulletproof/kernel & Windoze excellent/GUI. (& I hate saying that last, but Truth Is, & I don't lie (not deliberately, anyway!)). Mark: Good One, Indeed! Re Windoze/Gentoo, how about this:: Got Execrable Nasty Tottering Odoriferous Offal ? Leo: Re programming, OO does help a little, but careful design *is* more imporant, so yup!, you're right! rgh Bradley Krumme wrote: On Apr 1, 2005 11:59 AM, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's got to be an april fool's joke... Has to be. Why else would it use "NT" and "comercial-grade" in the same paragraph? Not really. Don't you know that GENTOO == Gee Everyone NT's Object Oriented? I'm not a programmer but I hear that Object Oriented programming makes it trivial to port anything to anything. I'm not the least bit surprised to hear this... - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list That's funny. I saw a couple other things today, too. I did an 'emerge -uD --newuse world' today which upgraded mplayer to mplayer-1.0_pre6-r2. If I hadn't been watching, I wouldn't have seen it, but there was a message that looked like this: !!! ERROR: media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre6-r2 failed. !!! Function src_makarena, Line 1000, Exitcode 555- !!! All your base are belong to us! * APRIL FOOLS! so it looks like the Gentoo devs are having a good time today :D -- Brad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
Stroller wrote: I'm not sure of the details, and whether the project is completed or under development, but Microsoft do indeed intend that one should be able to run Linux apps on their XP server products. I _think_ this is via system calls rather than a virtual machine, but I don't really know - I'm sure a Google would reveal more. Recently the Seattle Times news paper had an article about how Microsoft has a large (1000+ computer) lab dedicated to studying Linux, wish I could find the article... /djb -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for the Windows NT Kernel
On April 1, 2005 08:33 am, quoth Ted Ozolins: > Dave Nebinger wrote: > >> http://gentooexperimental.org/nt/ > >> > >>Nah! > > > >It's got to be an april fool's joke... > > Has to be. Why else would it use "NT" and "comercial-grade" in the same > paragraph? I'm not sure it is a joke. Windows as a whole is awful, but the NT kernel was designed by Dave Cutler (creator of RSX-11M and VMS) and it has earned a lot of respect from people who know about these things. It is perhaps the only genuine innovation MS has ever produced. I'm not saying it's better or worse than Linux or the BSDs. It may indeed by worse, but it is still a respectable attempt at a kernel. When I was running XP I installed Interix. I didn't end up doing much with it, but it was very useful to be able to kill -9 runaway win 32 processes - it meant I had to reboot less often. At the time I wondered whether it might be possible to shut down the win32 subsystem when i didn't need it for multimedia stuff and work the *nix way, which I found much less uncomfortable. It wouldn't surprise me too much to hear that someone has actually succeeded in doing so. And isn't there a project somewhere to run a linux kernel as an NT subsystem in order to get access to those windoze drivers? Surely this GeNToo, if it is for real, would be a more elegant way of going about this. The problems I have found with Windows are 1. the insecurity, instability and bloat of the win32 subsystem 2. the crappiness and unreliability of NTFS 3. the lack of tools to tinker with the bootloader to correct problems arising from the crappiness of NTFS and other causes. Interix does nothing to address #1, but a project like the one described would. I assume it would also come with #3. That would just leave the crappiness of NTFS to deal with. So what if the ReactOS people were to develop a reiser4 driver? Then you could have a dual boot system - Linux and the other one - sharing a /home partition and using a reliable and efficient (IMO) file system running the same applications - kmail etc - just in one of those systems you could launch the win32/wine subsystem (or an improved and less bloated wine-based susbstitute) when you wanted it to run cubase or some fancy Adobe sofware, and then shut it down again when you finish. No dealing with windoze update either. What if you could, say, have windows-native audio apps exchanging audio and midi data using jack, possibly over a network? That's something I wouldn't turn my nose up at. If wine becomes much easier to work with on Linux then this kind of idea won't interest me so much, but for now I am interested because there are so many windows apps I miss, even though I don't miss windows itself one bit. Robert -- Robert Persson "No matter how much ye shake yer peg The last wee drap rins doon yer leg." -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
