Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers ^H^H^H^H^Haq
> Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in > the > the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a > software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. I can't imagine alsamixer not having a separate control for that... Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers, you mean windows?
Now that I checked it, I think that HvR was right. The internal speaker is really the regular system speaker. Windows installed drivers for two devices one connected to the internal speaker and the other is the real soundcard. Yuval Scharf On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, HvR wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 07:55, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > > > Scharf Yuval wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer > > > in my university produce any sound with no luck. > > > > > > Today I tried toplay a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, > > > playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. > > > > > > So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. > > > Windows kept using the internal speaker. > > > > > > I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external > > > speakers. :-) > > > > > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > > > external speakers. > > > > I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different > > beeps ;) Is > > this perhaps a laptop? > > > yes it can, windows loads a special driver that will emulate sound by > using square sine waves (by just turning the speaker on and off you can > create a square "wave" which kind of sounds like a normal sine wave). i > did it all the time before soundcards were invented. linux on the other > hand doesnt do that so it just loads the drivers for the sound card into > which you have to plug the external speakers. so the question is really > why does windows not detect the soundcard??? > > > > > > > Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > > > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in > > > the > > > the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a > > > software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. > > > > I am currently using my Creative Ensoniq 1371 to play MP3s in Linux. No special > > config > > required. I just built the driver into the kernel. In my experience, my computer, > > nor any > > other computer I have worked with, has *never* defaulted to the internal speaker > > when I > > didn't have external speakers plugged in. > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers, you mean windows?
On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 07:55, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Scharf Yuval wrote: > Hello, > > For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer > in my university produce any sound with no luck. > > Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, > playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. > > So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. > Windows kept using the internal speaker. > > I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external > speakers. :-) > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > external speakers. I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps ;) Is this perhaps a laptop? yes it can, windows loads a special driver that will emulate sound by using square sine waves (by just turning the speaker on and off you can create a square "wave" which kind of sounds like a normal sine wave). i did it all the time before soundcards were invented. linux on the other hand doesnt do that so it just loads the drivers for the sound card into which you have to plug the external speakers. so the question is really why does windows not detect the soundcard??? > Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in the > the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a > software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. I am currently using my Creative Ensoniq 1371 to play MP3s in Linux. No special config required. I just built the driver into the kernel. In my experience, my computer, nor any other computer I have worked with, has *never* defaulted to the internal speaker when I didn't have external speakers plugged in.
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:25:36 + MAL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Collins Richey wrote: > > Maybe you have the same problem as I do. My gentoo system uses devfs. When > > I load the alsa ens1371 module (modprobe ens1371), the soundcard clicks, but > > no/dev/dsp ... device entries are created. I have to 'rmmod ens1371' then > > 'modprobe ens1371' a second time to get it to work. No response from > > gentooers or the alsa mailing list about this problem. It could even be a > > devfsd problem. > > Is this alsa? If so, try emergeing with USE="oss" : > > USE="oss" emerge alsa-driver > Just a side note. I'm using kernel 2.6.0_test8, and alsa support is now builtin in the kernel source tree - alsa-driver is no longer needed. There is at least one new release of the alsa-driver code that is not available on 2.6.0, since the kernel is in final lockdown for release of the 2.6.0 kernel (December?) I'm in no hurry, since the workaround is simple. Also, I could never get the card to work on 2.4.x with alsa-driver. I suspect that the same problem existed there, but I have no interest in reverting to a 2.4.x kernel just to work on this trifling issue. I only discovered the work around after moving to 2.6.0_testn. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Jeff MacDonald wrote: Is your sound card integrated into the mobo? > yup. That makes more sense. I refuse to get a mobo that has anything more than an IDE and floppy controller integrated into it. well you're very noble :) this was a 150$ machine i use as a file server, so i don't care too much. Heh. For $150, I probably wouldn't care that much either. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
On Thursday 27 November 2003 10:38 am, Collins Richey wrote: > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:19:39 +0200 (IST) Scharf Yuval > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer > > in my university produce any sound with no luck. > > > > I used red-had 8, Gentoo with 2.4 kernel, Gentoo with 2.6 kerenl. > > I tried amazingly many combinations. It didn't work. > > As much as I could have seen the computer was playning sounds, I just > > didn't hear any sounds. > > > > I should mention that Windows had no problem at all. > > > > Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, > > playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. > > > > So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. > > Windows kept using the internal speaker. > > > > I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external > > speakers. :-) > > > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > > external speakers. > > > > Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you > > plug in the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware > > feature or a software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. > > Maybe you have the same problem as I do. My gentoo system uses devfs. > When I load the alsa ens1371 module (modprobe ens1371), the soundcard > clicks, but no /dev/dsp ... device entries are created. I have to 'rmmod > ens1371' then 'modprobe ens1371' a second time to get it to work. No > response from gentooers or the alsa mailing list about this problem. It > could even be a devfsd problem. > > So I just add the following to local.start > > modprobe ens1371 > rmmod ens1371 > modprobe ens1371 > play & > > Also, the OSS module for my card works without a hitch. > > HTH. Well, I can't solve your problem, but I use the 1371 and have no problem. So it is possible. -- Jim -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
> >>Is your sound card integrated into the mobo? > > > > yup. > > That makes more sense. I refuse to get a mobo that has anything more than an IDE and > floppy controller integrated into it. well you're very noble :) this was a 150$ machine i use as a file server, so i don't care too much. jeff. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Collins Richey wrote: Maybe you have the same problem as I do. My gentoo system uses devfs. When I load the alsa ens1371 module (modprobe ens1371), the soundcard clicks, but no /dev/dsp ... device entries are created. I have to 'rmmod ens1371' then 'modprobe ens1371' a second time to get it to work. No response from gentooers or the alsa mailing list about this problem. It could even be a devfsd problem. Is this alsa? If so, try emergeing with USE="oss" : USE="oss" emerge alsa-driver MAL -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Jeff MacDonald wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 12:03, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Jeff MacDonald wrote: So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the external speakers. I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps ;) Is this perhaps a laptop? Oddly enough , this isn't the case. I have an IBM aptiva running FreeBSD, when i don't plug in speakers the sounds comes out of an internal speaker, when i plug in speakers it goes to them.. Is your sound card integrated into the mobo? > yup. That makes more sense. I refuse to get a mobo that has anything more than an IDE and floppy controller integrated into it. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
yup. On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 12:03, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Jeff MacDonald wrote: > >>>So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > >>>external speakers. > >> > >>I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different > >>beeps ;) Is > >>this perhaps a laptop? > > > > > > Oddly enough , this isn't the case. I have an IBM aptiva running > > FreeBSD, when i don't plug in speakers the sounds comes out of an > > internal speaker, when i plug in speakers it goes to them.. > > Is your sound card integrated into the mobo? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Have you disabled sound support in the kernel before using alsa? I use the es1371 driver, which is in the kernel, and it works great (no alsa). On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 16:38, Collins Richey wrote: > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:19:39 +0200 (IST) Scharf Yuval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer > > in my university produce any sound with no luck. > > > > I used red-had 8, Gentoo with 2.4 kernel, Gentoo with 2.6 kerenl. > > I tried amazingly many combinations. It didn't work. > > As much as I could have seen the computer was playning sounds, I just > > didn't hear any sounds. > > > > I should mention that Windows had no problem at all. > > > > Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, > > playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. > > > > So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. > > Windows kept using the internal speaker. > > > > I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external > > speakers. :-) > > > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > > external speakers. > > > > Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in > > the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a > > software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. > > > > Maybe you have the same problem as I do. My gentoo system uses devfs. When I > load the alsa ens1371 module (modprobe ens1371), the soundcard clicks, but no > /dev/dsp ... device entries are created. I have to 'rmmod ens1371' then > 'modprobe ens1371' a second time to get it to work. No response from gentooers > or the alsa mailing list about this problem. It could even be a devfsd problem. > > So I just add the following to local.start > > modprobe ens1371 > rmmod ens1371 > modprobe ens1371 > play & > > Also, the OSS module for my card works without a hitch. > > HTH. -- __ Guy Van Sanden http://unixmafia.port5.com Registered Linux user #249404 - September 1997 __ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Scharf Yuval wrote: Hi Andrew, You are referring to the system speaker, the beep producer. I'm referring to a real (lousy) internal speaker in a Compaq desktop. Yuval Scharf The only reason that wintendo uses the internal speakers is because the driver is setup that way. Just a "more_better_system_design" by Compaq. -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Scharf Yuval wrote: Hi Andrew, You are referring to the system speaker, the beep producer. I'm referring to a real (lousy) internal speaker in a Compaq desktop. One more reason to hate crappy Compaq computers. What is the point of this design? -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Jeff MacDonald wrote: So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the external speakers. I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps ;) Is this perhaps a laptop? Oddly enough , this isn't the case. I have an IBM aptiva running FreeBSD, when i don't plug in speakers the sounds comes out of an internal speaker, when i plug in speakers it goes to them.. Is your sound card integrated into the mobo? -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Hi Andrew, You are referring to the system speaker, the beep producer. I'm referring to a real (lousy) internal speaker in a Compaq desktop. Yuval Scharf On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Scharf Yuval wrote: > > Hello, > > > > For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer > > in my university produce any sound with no luck. > > > > Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, > > playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. > > > > So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. > > Windows kept using the internal speaker. > > > > I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external > > speakers. :-) > > > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > > external speakers. > > I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps > ;) Is > this perhaps a laptop? > > > Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in the > > the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a > > software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. > > I am currently using my Creative Ensoniq 1371 to play MP3s in Linux. No special > config > required. I just built the driver into the kernel. In my experience, my computer, > nor any > other computer I have worked with, has *never* defaulted to the internal speaker > when I > didn't have external speakers plugged in. > > -- > Andrew Gaffney > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
> > > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > > external speakers. > > I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps > ;) Is > this perhaps a laptop? Oddly enough , this isn't the case. I have an IBM aptiva running FreeBSD, when i don't plug in speakers the sounds comes out of an internal speaker, when i plug in speakers it goes to them.. Jeff. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
Scharf Yuval wrote: Hello, For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer in my university produce any sound with no luck. Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. Windows kept using the internal speaker. I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external speakers. :-) So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the external speakers. I wasn't aware the internal speaker could produce anything more than different beeps ;) Is this perhaps a laptop? Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. I am currently using my Creative Ensoniq 1371 to play MP3s in Linux. No special config required. I just built the driver into the kernel. In my experience, my computer, nor any other computer I have worked with, has *never* defaulted to the internal speaker when I didn't have external speakers plugged in. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Collins Richey wrote: > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:19:39 +0200 (IST) Scharf Yuval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer > > in my university produce any sound with no luck. > > > > I used red-had 8, Gentoo with 2.4 kernel, Gentoo with 2.6 kerenl. > > I tried amazingly many combinations. It didn't work. > > As much as I could have seen the computer was playning sounds, I just > > didn't hear any sounds. > > > > I should mention that Windows had no problem at all. > > > > Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, > > playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. > > > > So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. > > Windows kept using the internal speaker. > > > > I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external > > speakers. :-) > > > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > > external speakers. > > > > Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in > > the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a > > software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. > > > > Maybe you have the same problem as I do.My gentoo system uses devfs. When I > load the alsa ens1371 module (modprobe ens1371), the soundcard clicks, but no > /dev/dsp ... device entries are created.I have to 'rmmod ens1371' then > 'modprobe ens1371' a second time to get it to work.No response from gentooers > or the alsa mailing list about this problem.It could even be a devfsd problem. > > So I just add the following to local.start > > modprobe ens1371 > rmmod ens1371 > modprobe ens1371 > play & > > Also, the OSS module for my card works without a hitch. > > HTH. > > -- > Collins Richey - Denver Area > if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the > worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > No Collins, Now I have almost no problem. Linux Plays fine with the external speakers. I just don't understand why Linux uses only the external speakers and Windows uses only the internal speaker. Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I hate computers
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:19:39 +0200 (IST) Scharf Yuval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > For dozens of hours I tried to make the ens1371 in my old Compaq computer > in my university produce any sound with no luck. > > I used red-had 8, Gentoo with 2.4 kernel, Gentoo with 2.6 kerenl. > I tried amazingly many combinations. It didn't work. > As much as I could have seen the computer was playning sounds, I just > didn't hear any sounds. > > I should mention that Windows had no problem at all. > > Today I tried to play a CD but it didn't work. I became very suspicious, > playing a CD has very little to do with the OS. > > So I took two speakers, connected to the soundcard and booted to Windows. > Windows kept using the internal speaker. > > I booted to Linux, and EVERYTHING worked great with the external > speakers. :-) > > So, Windows uses only the internal speaker and Linux uses only the > external speakers. > > Can someone explain to me what is going on. Usually in computers, if > there are no external speakers the internal speaker works and when you plug in > the the external speakers they start to work. Is it a hardware feature or a > software feature. Can I control which speakers will be use. > Maybe you have the same problem as I do. My gentoo system uses devfs. When I load the alsa ens1371 module (modprobe ens1371), the soundcard clicks, but no /dev/dsp ... device entries are created. I have to 'rmmod ens1371' then 'modprobe ens1371' a second time to get it to work. No response from gentooers or the alsa mailing list about this problem. It could even be a devfsd problem. So I just add the following to local.start modprobe ens1371 rmmod ens1371 modprobe ens1371 play & Also, the OSS module for my card works without a hitch. HTH. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
