Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:53:49 -0800 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Sounds pretty rad. Has anyone experimented with a bunch of old | clunkers in a cluster? Yes. Theres an excellent Gentoo guide on that: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openmosix-howto.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/diskless-howto.xml Yes. It'll cost you less buying a second hand big SMP box or a reasonably recent not so big SMP box because of the insane power usage of old clunkers in a cluster. And this is the reason why it stayed as that an experiment, besides the space it occupied. But this one looks awesome! The Mini-Cluster http://mini-itx.com/projects/cluster/ quote At present, the idle power consumption is about 140 Watts (for 12 nodes) with peaks estimated at around 200 Watts. The machine runs cool and quiet. The controlling node has 256 MB RAM , and an 160 GB ATA 133 IDE hard disk drive. The computational nodes have 256 MB RAM, each and boot from 340 MB IBM microdrives by means of compact flash to IDE adapters. The computational nodes mount /usr on the controlling node via NFS, for storage and to allow for a very simple configuration. No official benchmarks have been run, but for simple computational tasks the mini cluster appears to be faster than four 2.4 GHz pentium 4 mcahines used in parallel, at a fraction of the cost and power use. /quote -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
| Sounds pretty rad. Has anyone experimented with a bunch of old | clunkers in a cluster? Yes. Theres an excellent Gentoo guide on that: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openmosix-howto.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/diskless-howto.xml Yes. It'll cost you less buying a second hand big SMP box or a reasonably recent not so big SMP box because of the insane power usage of old clunkers in a cluster. And this is the reason why it stayed as that an experiment, besides the space it occupied. But this one looks awesome! The Mini-Cluster http://mini-itx.com/projects/cluster/ quote At present, the idle power consumption is about 140 Watts (for 12 nodes) with peaks estimated at around 200 Watts. The machine runs cool and quiet. The controlling node has 256 MB RAM , and an 160 GB ATA 133 IDE hard disk drive. The computational nodes have 256 MB RAM, each and boot from 340 MB IBM microdrives by means of compact flash to IDE adapters. The computational nodes mount /usr on the controlling node via NFS, for storage and to allow for a very simple configuration. No official benchmarks have been run, but for simple computational tasks the mini cluster appears to be faster than four 2.4 GHz pentium 4 mcahines used in parallel, at a fraction of the cost and power use. /quote That's pretty damn cool. Do all of the CPUs have to be identical? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Grant wrote: That's pretty damn cool. Do all of the CPUs have to be identical? Id assume so. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 23:04 -0500, Colin wrote: Grant wrote: | Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. That wouldn't be an x86 though right? No, that's SPARC. If you're looking for something that'll fit in your closet, you may want to look into Mini-ITX or Nano-ITX (or Micro-ATX depending on the size of your closet). Motherboards of that size will fit nicely almost anywhere and are good for low-traffic servers. yeah.. an EPIA M10K has 1G cpu and all the bells and whistles for like USD180. Just add RAM and HD. You can even get a lower spec on depending on what you need it for. Lots of juice even for a low end 600MHz which they have. Currently it's being used as a Freevo Box. -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 19:28:50 up 10:12, 7 users, load average: 1.95, 0.96, 0.74 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mar 29, 2005, at 4:21 am, Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. http://tinyurl.com/53r2z No connection, just a happy customer. I got a quad-Xeon with hot-swappable SCSI RAID hot-swappable PSUs from this guy for £79. You *know* you want one. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:03 am, Jerry McBride wrote: On Monday 28 March 2005 10:21 pm, Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. How much horsepower do you want? I get my servers at Walmart for $149.00. After I sell of the unneeded accessories, it ends up costing me less than $100.00. Works great for mundane server duties, but not suited for high performance demands The name of the product? XBOX by microsoft. About the only thing they make right and price right and runs gentoo beautifully. I was thinking about this just the other day - could an Xbox handle IMAP for 3 or 4 users, do you think? I'd really like an Xbox that would handle that for 10. I heard that older Xboxes run Linux more easily - do current ones need chipping in order to do so? Thanks, Stroller. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On 19:21 Mon 28 Mar , Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. Take a look at: http://hardwareguys.com/ They give you good, non-fanatic advice on building your own. See also: http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2005/02/15/Perfect_BudgetPC.html and http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2005/02/23/Build_Perfect_BudgetPC.html by the same folks. I've built four PC's using their info. Superb. Bill Roberts pgpR6IBcXj7NQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. I often have old machines given to me or find companies throwing out perfectly functioning old machines - clean them up, put in new drives and fans in and they work just fine! -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Jerry McBride wrote: The name of the product? XBOX by microsoft. About the only thing they make right and price right and runs gentoo beautifully. Im assuming this is *after* a few mods right? Also does this still work for XBoxes with firmware 1.6? (Im also on the gentoo-xbox list but I thought others might be interested here too). -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. I often have old machines given to me or find companies throwing out perfectly functioning old machines - clean them up, put in new drives and fans in and they work just fine! I obviously don't know anything about this, but I remember reading about how Gentoo is going in the direction of allowing you to chain the processing power of a bunch of machines together. Is that distributed computing? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:41:48 -0800 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I obviously don't know anything about this, but I remember reading | about how Gentoo is going in the direction of allowing you to chain | the processing power of a bunch of machines together. Is that | distributed computing? Assuming you mean distcc, it's a rather weak form of distributed computing. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpcI8vIrlu4r.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. I often have old machines given to me or find companies throwing out perfectly functioning old machines - clean them up, put in new drives and fans in and they work just fine! I obviously don't know anything about this, but I remember reading about how Gentoo is going in the direction of allowing you to chain the processing power of a bunch of machines together. Is that distributed computing? Well distcc allows you to do this for emerges. I wouldn't be suprised if some more generic framework was being worked on... -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:41:48 -0800 Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. I often have old machines given to me or find companies throwing out perfectly functioning old machines - clean them up, put in new drives and fans in and they work just fine! I obviously don't know anything about this, but I remember reading about how Gentoo is going in the direction of allowing you to chain the processing power of a bunch of machines together. Is that distributed computing? Grant, where have you been for the last five or ten years? This has nothing to do with gentoo, its a linux thing. Try this for but one example http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;719533135;fp;512;fpid;1889228632 google for any combination of the following: linux clustering openmosix beowulf - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:53:49 -0800 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Sounds pretty rad. Has anyone experimented with a bunch of old | clunkers in a cluster? Yes. It'll cost you less buying a second hand big SMP box or a reasonably recent not so big SMP box because of the insane power usage of old clunkers in a cluster. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpNecz31OwBm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
| Sounds pretty rad. Has anyone experimented with a bunch of old | clunkers in a cluster? Yes. It'll cost you less buying a second hand big SMP box or a reasonably recent not so big SMP box because of the insane power usage of old clunkers in a cluster. There's gotta be a way to crunch those numbers. Maybe a solar panel setup. It's like Kramer and Newman taking the recyclables to Michigan. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:21:33 -0800 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpEBhc7yAdlO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
| Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. That wouldn't be an x86 though right? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:21:33 -0800 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. If only they were nice and cheap over here in New Zealand. I'm looking for a cheap/quiet server style machine for my home network to use as a mail/print/file server. Just have to keep a look out I guess. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
Grant wrote: | Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. That wouldn't be an x86 though right? No, that's SPARC. If you're looking for something that'll fit in your closet, you may want to look into Mini-ITX or Nano-ITX (or Micro-ATX depending on the size of your closet). Motherboards of that size will fit nicely almost anywhere and are good for low-traffic servers. -- Colin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
| Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. For a 1-user server, what about a Dell P-4 2.8G, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 160GB for $419 shipped? It looks like I could get 2x40GB instead for $29 more. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Monday 28 March 2005 10:21 pm, Grant wrote: Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. How much horsepower do you want? I get my servers at Walmart for $149.00. After I sell of the unneeded accessories, it ends up costing me less than $100.00. Works great for mundane server duties, but not suited for high performance demands The name of the product? XBOX by microsoft. About the only thing they make right and price right and runs gentoo beautifully. Other thing to think about... with Sony now retailing their new PSP machine, maybe it'll drive the Xbox to a new low retail price... We'll see... If you need a bit more power, check out their Linux driven desktops. Very affordable and not too shabby either. Cheers -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 FSF Associate Member number 2340 since 05/20/2004 Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net Buy an Xbox for $149.00, run linux on it and Microsoft loses $150.00! 11:41pm up 170 days, 7:27, 8 users, load average: 0.10, 0.14, 0.09 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:05:01 -0800, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. For a 1-user server, what about a Dell P-4 2.8G, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 160GB for $419 shipped? It looks like I could get 2x40GB instead for $29 more. It's not only here then... We keep getting ads for cheap Dell servers at work - considering one for our home ... a bit low on RAM perhaps. Cheers, Martin S -- Regards, Martin S -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
| Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? | I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense | to buy one these days. Pick up an old Sun workstation off ebay. An ultra2 2x300/2 with a gig of RAM is a good bet for most things, and they're dirt cheap these days. For a 1-user server, what about a Dell P-4 2.8G, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 160GB for $419 shipped? It looks like I could get 2x40GB instead for $29 more. It's not only here then... We keep getting ads for cheap Dell servers at work - considering one for our home ... a bit low on RAM perhaps. I'm thinking this over more and I wonder if it would be smarter to get a hosted box somewhere. Availability would be higher and hardware problems would not be my problems. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] a closet server
Where do you guys go when you want a barebones server for the closet? I've built machines before but it seems like it might make more sense to buy one these days. How much horsepower do you want? I get my servers at Walmart for $149.00. After I sell of the unneeded accessories, it ends up costing me less than $100.00. Works great for mundane server duties, but not suited for high performance demands The name of the product? XBOX by microsoft. About the only thing they make right and price right and runs gentoo beautifully. Other thing to think about... with Sony now retailing their new PSP machine, maybe it'll drive the Xbox to a new low retail price... We'll see... If you need a bit more power, check out their Linux driven desktops. Very affordable and not too shabby either. Sounds perfect for one of these: http://mythtv.org/ - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Grant wrote: Sounds perfect for one of these: http://mythtv.org/ If you mean the XBOX, then be aware that it can only be used as a mythtv-frontend, because of the lack of fast interfaces for TV-tuners (USB1 only). I'm using freevo (without the TV functionality) on an xbox. Christoph -- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'*'|sed 's. ..'|tr * !#:2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
