[gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
On 2007-12-03, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What I do is use Verizon CDMA (far better coverage than any of >> the GSM networks) in the US and I have a GSM phone that I use >> internationally. You can get good used unlocked tri and >> quad-band GSM phones for $20 and up. You can get brand new >> ones for $30 and up. I got nearly new used Noka candy-bar >> phone that's US-only for $18 off craig's list and a brand-new >> quad-band Motorola V190 off ebay for $40. Just for giggles I >> have a AT&T pre-paid SIM for my GSM phones so I can use them as >> backups in the US. > > Speaking of SIM cards. Could I buy a local SIM card in a different > country and use it for official data access while I'm there? Maybe. In the US, data plans aren't usually available for pre-paid SIM cards. I've never tried to get data service outside the US -- only prepaid voice and text messaging. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Can I have an IMPULSE at ITEM instead? visi.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
On 2007-12-03, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think that pretty much all GSM phones support data calls (I >> could be wrong). Whether or not the network will allow them >> without paying extra for a data plan is the question. > > Got it. Is this official data plan service something that > will work anywhere a GSM signal is had, or does there need to > be a special type of service in the area? I believe that all the GSM service areas in the US are data-capable. If you want to know about the paid-for data plans, you should probaby try to find somebody at the carriers who can answer questions. Make sure they know you want to use the phone for "teathered" internet access from a laptop -- otherwise they're going to think you're talking about the web browser in the phone. If you want to use Bluetooth instead of a USB cable, make sure you tell them that too. Some carriers will support one but not the other. I don't know if the 1st line customer server or sales staff are going to be helpful, but you should be able to find somebody if you keep asking questions. Most of the major carriers have Usenet newsgroups dedicated to them, and that's usually an excellent place to get info on what really works and what doesn't. >> What I do is use Verizon CDMA (far better coverage than any of >> the GSM networks) in the US and I have a GSM phone that I use >> internationally. You can get good used unlocked tri and >> quad-band GSM phones for $20 and up. You can get brand new >> ones for $30 and up. I got nearly new used Noka candy-bar >> phone that's US-only for $18 off craig's list and a brand-new >> quad-band Motorola V190 off ebay for $40. Just for giggles I >> have a AT&T pre-paid SIM for my GSM phones so I can use them as >> backups in the US. > > That's an interesting idea. It would be nice to have an AT&T > plan that works all over the world, but I wonder if there is a > big enough difference between CDMA and GSM reception in the US > to justify two phones and buying SIM cards. In the US, GSM is only available in larger cities/towns and along freeways. There are pretty significant holes in rural areas and small towns. That may not matter to you. There were even a few gaps in the freeway corridor coverage in the midwest the last time I checked. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Why is it that when at you DIE, you can't take visi.comyour HOME ENTERTAINMENT CENTER with you?? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Vlc and no sound...
You compiled with the following USE variables "by adding the line media-video/vlc dvd ffmpeg mpeg mad wxwindows aac dts a52 ogg flac theora oggvorbis matroska freetype bidi xv svga gnutls stream vlm httpd cdda vcd cdio live to the file *"/etc/portage/package.use"*. This will give you a fully functioning VLC. Be very careful if you decide to disable some of these USE flags. You can loose more functionality than you might expect." Right? If yes, then I'm out of ideas except to contact vlc devs. On Dec 2, 2007 7:56 PM, Danis Petkakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just compiled the latest unstable version but still the problem > remains...any other suggestions?? > > > On 03/12/2007, Danis Petkakis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > well i don't have the latest version of vlc compiled as suggested from > > the link you gave me so i will add vlc in portage.keywords for now and > > then compile the latest unstable version of it...hope that should solve my > > problems...i will post back for results...thanks... > > > > On 03/12/2007, Andrey Falko < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 2, 2007 6:16 PM, Danis Petkakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > hi there i have some files in .mkv and format and would like to to > > > > view them using vlc...the problem is that there is only the sound in the > > > > background...by that i mean that i can only hear for example the music > > > > that > > > > plays in the background and not the people talking in the > > > > movie...subtitles > > > > and video are all displayed correctly...i just cannot hear the people > > > > talking...when i watch the files in kaffeine and kmplayer i have no > > > > problem > > > > at all...what might be the problem with vlc?? thanks in advance... > > > > > > > > > > > > My inclination is that it is a vlc specific bugcheck this page to > > > see if you have it compiled with the use flag listed there: > > > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-gentoo.html > > > > > > > > > If you have it compiled with all of those use flags, then I'd email > > > vlc at video-lan.org: http://www.videolan.org/support/lists.html > > > > > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
> > If both Sprint and Verizon offer it, there > > is probably a good chance that AT&T and/or T-Mobile do too. > > > Neither Sprint nor Verizon offer GSM, they use CDMA, thus you can't > travel anywhere (that I know of) with those phones. If you are looking > for a "world phone", get a quad-band GSM phone, Cingular/AT&T or > T-Mobile carries them in the US, in Europe everyone carries them. I'm talking about the "free" dial up service above, not GSM. - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Vlc and no sound...
just compiled the latest unstable version but still the problem remains...any other suggestions?? On 03/12/2007, Danis Petkakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well i don't have the latest version of vlc compiled as suggested from the > link you gave me so i will add vlc in portage.keywords for now and then > compile the latest unstable version of it...hope that should solve my > problems...i will post back for results...thanks... > > On 03/12/2007, Andrey Falko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Dec 2, 2007 6:16 PM, Danis Petkakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > hi there i have some files in .mkv and format and would like to to > > > view them using vlc...the problem is that there is only the sound in the > > > background...by that i mean that i can only hear for example the music > > > that > > > plays in the background and not the people talking in the > > > movie...subtitles > > > and video are all displayed correctly...i just cannot hear the people > > > talking...when i watch the files in kaffeine and kmplayer i have no > > > problem > > > at all...what might be the problem with vlc?? thanks in advance... > > > > > > > > My inclination is that it is a vlc specific bugcheck this page to > > see if you have it compiled with the use flag listed there: > > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-gentoo.html > > > > > > If you have it compiled with all of those use flags, then I'd email vlc > > at video-lan.org: http://www.videolan.org/support/lists.html > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
Grant wrote: > Nice, I'm very glad to hear it works so well. I guess > something like that would work even over an analog connection. > On a true analog (800MHz AMPS service) cell phone, I've had pretty decent success using MNP5 modems up to about 2400 baud. The standard CCITT error dectection/correction schemes used on landline modems isn't resilient enough for RF links. Good luck finding MNP5 analog modems. ;) Multitech in St. Paul was the last vendor I knew about that sold them, and that was 10+ years ago. If you're talking about an analog connection to a digital phone, it just won't work. The Codecs that digital phones use are optimized for human speech and won't pass QPSK (or even FSK) modem signals in a usable manner. >>> What I meant there was that I should be able to dial up in >>> this manner even if the signal is reported to be analog >>> instead of digital. Is that true? >>> >> I still don't understand what you're asking. Unless you're >> 800MHz AMPS service, it's all digital. There is no analog >> signalling on the network. >> >> If you're using an 800MHz AMPS service, then the "voice" >> channel is an analog FM link band-limited to 300-3KHz with C >> message weighting (just like a landline phone connection). You >> can push an analog modem signal through that voice channel, but >> the channel quality varies a lot and you need a really >> bullet-proof error-correction scheme like MNP5. >> > > What I'm trying to determine is, if AT&T or T-Mobile have the type of > service you're describing: > > 1. will it work in both "analog" and "digital" service areas > 2. does the phone need to support anything in particular to use it > > >>> Are you saying it depends on whether or not the phone is >>> capable of 800MHz AMPS service? >>> >> I guess so. The carriers are going to shut down AMPS service >> soon anyway. >> >> It's just passing on digital data that's carried by the wireless protocol in use (GSM/TDMA or 1xRTT/CDMA). When you "dial up a landline" with a digital cell phone, the wireless carrier actually has to connect a modem to a landline at the carriers switch and dial the number. The digital data from the cellphone is then routed to that modem. If you're using the wireless carrier as the ISP, then there are no modems involved at all: the digital data from the modem is simply routed onto the Internet. >>> I see. So the only ways you know of to get a laptop online >>> with a cell phone are with a data plan in a digital service >>> area, or with any Verizon plan in either an analog or digital >>> service area? >>> >> If you're using analog service, you can use any carrier that >> allows normal phone calls to access a dial-up modem. You just >> need a phone with a phone jack into which you can plug an >> analog modem. Motorol "bag" style phones used to have a >> accessor that plugged between the handset and the radio which >> provided a modem jack. I don't think you're going to find too >> many current phones that provide an analog modem jack. >> > > I don't think I'll have any luck finding a cell phone with an analog > modem jack. Were you using an analog modem plugged into your cell > phone with the service you were first describing? > > >> Sprint also apparently has a free low-speed Internet access >> service similar to Verizon's "QNC" service. I don't know if >> Sprint's free low-speed service allows you dial up a >> landline-modem or not. >> >> FWIW, I just plugged my VX4400 into my laptop, and Verizons >> low-speed QNC service is still working. There are rumors >> that Verizon is about to pull the plug on QNC, but those rumors >> have been around for years. >> > > I've got to go with GSM. If both Sprint and Verizon offer it, there > is probably a good chance that AT&T and/or T-Mobile do too. > Neither Sprint nor Verizon offer GSM, they use CDMA, thus you can't travel anywhere (that I know of) with those phones. If you are looking for a "world phone", get a quad-band GSM phone, Cingular/AT&T or T-Mobile carries them in the US, in Europe everyone carries them. -Gabriel > - Grant > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Vlc and no sound...
well i don't have the latest version of vlc compiled as suggested from the link you gave me so i will add vlc in portage.keywords for now and then compile the latest unstable version of it...hope that should solve my problems...i will post back for results...thanks... On 03/12/2007, Andrey Falko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2007 6:16 PM, Danis Petkakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hi there i have some files in .mkv and format and would like to to view > > them using vlc...the problem is that there is only the sound in the > > background...by that i mean that i can only hear for example the music that > > plays in the background and not the people talking in the movie...subtitles > > and video are all displayed correctly...i just cannot hear the people > > talking...when i watch the files in kaffeine and kmplayer i have no problem > > at all...what might be the problem with vlc?? thanks in advance... > > > > My inclination is that it is a vlc specific bugcheck this page to see > if you have it compiled with the use flag listed there: > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-gentoo.html > > > If you have it compiled with all of those use flags, then I'd email vlc at > video-lan.org: http://www.videolan.org/support/lists.html >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
> What I do is use Verizon CDMA (far better coverage than any of > the GSM networks) in the US and I have a GSM phone that I use > internationally. You can get good used unlocked tri and > quad-band GSM phones for $20 and up. You can get brand new > ones for $30 and up. I got nearly new used Noka candy-bar > phone that's US-only for $18 off craig's list and a brand-new > quad-band Motorola V190 off ebay for $40. Just for giggles I > have a AT&T pre-paid SIM for my GSM phones so I can use them as > backups in the US. Speaking of SIM cards. Could I buy a local SIM card in a different country and use it for official data access while I'm there? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
> > What I'm trying to determine is, if AT&T or T-Mobile have the > > type of service you're describing: > > > > 1. will it work in both "analog" and "digital" service areas > > 2. does the phone need to support anything in particular to use it > > AT&T and T-Mobile are both GSM (digital) only. They don't have > any AMPS service. AFAIK, only the older CDMA carriers > (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, etc.) have AMPS service -- and not > all of their phones will fall back to AMPS even if there is > AMPS service available). Most/all of the AMPS service is going > away soon anyway. > > I think that pretty much all GSM phones support data calls (I > could be wrong). Whether or not the network will allow them > without paying extra for a data plan is the question. Got it. Is this official data plan service something that will work anywhere a GSM signal is had, or does there need to be a special type of service in the area? > > I don't think I'll have any luck finding a cell phone with an > > analog modem jack. Were you using an analog modem plugged > > into your cell phone with the service you were first > > describing? > > No. The "free" low-speed service offered by Verizon (and > apparently by Sprint) is all-digital. You just need a phone > and a data-cable. NB: it's possible that not all phones are > data-call capable or that the carrier has disabled that feature > in some phones. The tough part is that at least Verizon's > support for minutes-only data-calls is strictly unofficial. If > you stop at a store, they will claim (probably truthfully) to > know nothing about it. If you call Verizon support, the 1st > line support staff will also know nothing about it. If you can > work your way up a few layers, you can probably find somebody > who does know about it, but even they might not be allowed to > talk to you about it. > > > I've got to go with GSM. If both Sprint and Verizon offer it, > > there is probably a good chance that AT&T and/or T-Mobile do > > too. > > Could be. If you find out, let us know. :) > > What I do is use Verizon CDMA (far better coverage than any of > the GSM networks) in the US and I have a GSM phone that I use > internationally. You can get good used unlocked tri and > quad-band GSM phones for $20 and up. You can get brand new > ones for $30 and up. I got nearly new used Noka candy-bar > phone that's US-only for $18 off craig's list and a brand-new > quad-band Motorola V190 off ebay for $40. Just for giggles I > have a AT&T pre-paid SIM for my GSM phones so I can use them as > backups in the US. That's an interesting idea. It would be nice to have an AT&T plan that works all over the world, but I wonder if there is a big enough difference between CDMA and GSM reception in the US to justify two phones and buying SIM cards. - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Use of gethostname() and getdomainname()
I like keeping it to stuff that makes sense. I don't put in private network addresses unless I actually use them, which would just be the 192.168.x.x addresses provided by my DSL router, behind which I hide most of my systems. But for the present thread, I'm talking about the routable IP number for this host: treat.kosmanor.com is seen as 64.166.164.49. I've got HOSTNAME=treat in /etc/conf.d/hostname, and the FQDN in /etc/postfix/main.cf. Meanwhile, I've stumbled on the Linux man page for uname(2). It explains some of this as lack of coverage from the standards. Use "man 2 uname" and look in the NOTES section. It seems this is an area that has not been well treated, and there's divergence among systems as well as among applications, let alone between them. Ugh. On Dec 2, 2007 7:12 AM, Etaoin Shrdlu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 2 December 2007, Mick wrote: > > > > Try adding the following line to /etc/hosts: > > > > > > a.b.c.d hostname.your.domain hostname > > > > of course, replacing a.b.c.d with your correct ip address. > > > > > > I don't know whether this is related to your problem, but it usually > > > solves the domainname: (none) problem. > > > > Is this meant to be the LAN private address, or the Internet address > > of the host? > > It depends. If you just need to solve the agetty banner problem which > prints "welcome to machinename.(none)", you can just use 127.0.0.1 or > eth0's address, and this always has solved all the problems for me until > now. Otherwise, you have to know what address the application uses to > identify the box. However, if in doubt, nothing stops you from adding > several lines that differ only in the ip address: > > 127.0.0.1 hostname.your.domain hostname > 10.0.0.1 hostname.your.domain hostname > 100.100.100.100 hostname.your.domain hostname > > etc. > > NOTE: I don't know whether this is the correct way to do things. Many > times it works, but other, less clumsy, ways probably exist (I simply > haven't had the need to search them until now). > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Vlc and no sound...
On Dec 2, 2007 6:16 PM, Danis Petkakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi there i have some files in .mkv and format and would like to to view > them using vlc...the problem is that there is only the sound in the > background...by that i mean that i can only hear for example the music that > plays in the background and not the people talking in the movie...subtitles > and video are all displayed correctly...i just cannot hear the people > talking...when i watch the files in kaffeine and kmplayer i have no problem > at all...what might be the problem with vlc?? thanks in advance... My inclination is that it is a vlc specific bugcheck this page to see if you have it compiled with the use flag listed there: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-gentoo.html If you have it compiled with all of those use flags, then I'd email vlc at video-lan.org: http://www.videolan.org/support/lists.html
[gentoo-user] Vlc and no sound...
hi there i have some files in .mkv and format and would like to to view them using vlc...the problem is that there is only the sound in the background...by that i mean that i can only hear for example the music that plays in the background and not the people talking in the movie...subtitles and video are all displayed correctly...i just cannot hear the people talking...when i watch the files in kaffeine and kmplayer i have no problem at all...what might be the problem with vlc?? thanks in advance...
Re: [gentoo-user] PHP 5 masked notice (was: Gentoo on the server side)
> I had to do the same thing with the mysql upgrade from 3.x to 4.x. My > apache upgrade, I just had to redo the configs by hand. php4 to php5 > might be a bit more tricky. Currently that's the reason I have php5 > masked... PHP 4 won't be maintained after 8/8/8 (August, 8 2008) and so should be of php 5.0 and 5.1. Just to warn those who don't know (I believe you do know ;) ). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
On 2007-12-02, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I'm trying to determine is, if AT&T or T-Mobile have the > type of service you're describing: > > 1. will it work in both "analog" and "digital" service areas > 2. does the phone need to support anything in particular to use it AT&T and T-Mobile are both GSM (digital) only. They don't have any AMPS service. AFAIK, only the older CDMA carriers (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, etc.) have AMPS service -- and not all of their phones will fall back to AMPS even if there is AMPS service available). Most/all of the AMPS service is going away soon anyway. I think that pretty much all GSM phones support data calls (I could be wrong). Whether or not the network will allow them without paying extra for a data plan is the question. > I don't think I'll have any luck finding a cell phone with an > analog modem jack. Were you using an analog modem plugged > into your cell phone with the service you were first > describing? No. The "free" low-speed service offered by Verizon (and apparently by Sprint) is all-digital. You just need a phone and a data-cable. NB: it's possible that not all phones are data-call capable or that the carrier has disabled that feature in some phones. The tough part is that at least Verizon's support for minutes-only data-calls is strictly unofficial. If you stop at a store, they will claim (probably truthfully) to know nothing about it. If you call Verizon support, the 1st line support staff will also know nothing about it. If you can work your way up a few layers, you can probably find somebody who does know about it, but even they might not be allowed to talk to you about it. > I've got to go with GSM. If both Sprint and Verizon offer it, > there is probably a good chance that AT&T and/or T-Mobile do > too. Could be. If you find out, let us know. :) What I do is use Verizon CDMA (far better coverage than any of the GSM networks) in the US and I have a GSM phone that I use internationally. You can get good used unlocked tri and quad-band GSM phones for $20 and up. You can get brand new ones for $30 and up. I got nearly new used Noka candy-bar phone that's US-only for $18 off craig's list and a brand-new quad-band Motorola V190 off ebay for $40. Just for giggles I have a AT&T pre-paid SIM for my GSM phones so I can use them as backups in the US. -- The other Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
> >>> Nice, I'm very glad to hear it works so well. I guess > >>> something like that would work even over an analog connection. > >> > >> On a true analog (800MHz AMPS service) cell phone, I've had > >> pretty decent success using MNP5 modems up to about 2400 baud. > >> The standard CCITT error dectection/correction schemes used on > >> landline modems isn't resilient enough for RF links. Good luck > >> finding MNP5 analog modems. ;) Multitech in St. Paul was the > >> last vendor I knew about that sold them, and that was 10+ > >> years ago. > >> > >> If you're talking about an analog connection to a digital > >> phone, it just won't work. The Codecs that digital phones use > >> are optimized for human speech and won't pass QPSK (or even > >> FSK) modem signals in a usable manner. > > > > What I meant there was that I should be able to dial up in > > this manner even if the signal is reported to be analog > > instead of digital. Is that true? > > I still don't understand what you're asking. Unless you're > 800MHz AMPS service, it's all digital. There is no analog > signalling on the network. > > If you're using an 800MHz AMPS service, then the "voice" > channel is an analog FM link band-limited to 300-3KHz with C > message weighting (just like a landline phone connection). You > can push an analog modem signal through that voice channel, but > the channel quality varies a lot and you need a really > bullet-proof error-correction scheme like MNP5. What I'm trying to determine is, if AT&T or T-Mobile have the type of service you're describing: 1. will it work in both "analog" and "digital" service areas 2. does the phone need to support anything in particular to use it > > Are you saying it depends on whether or not the phone is > > capable of 800MHz AMPS service? > > I guess so. The carriers are going to shut down AMPS service > soon anyway. > > >> It's just passing on digital data that's carried by the > >> wireless protocol in use (GSM/TDMA or 1xRTT/CDMA). When you > >> "dial up a landline" with a digital cell phone, the wireless > >> carrier actually has to connect a modem to a landline at the > >> carriers switch and dial the number. The digital data from the > >> cellphone is then routed to that modem. > >> > >> If you're using the wireless carrier as the ISP, then there are > >> no modems involved at all: the digital data from the modem is > >> simply routed onto the Internet. > > > > I see. So the only ways you know of to get a laptop online > > with a cell phone are with a data plan in a digital service > > area, or with any Verizon plan in either an analog or digital > > service area? > > If you're using analog service, you can use any carrier that > allows normal phone calls to access a dial-up modem. You just > need a phone with a phone jack into which you can plug an > analog modem. Motorol "bag" style phones used to have a > accessor that plugged between the handset and the radio which > provided a modem jack. I don't think you're going to find too > many current phones that provide an analog modem jack. I don't think I'll have any luck finding a cell phone with an analog modem jack. Were you using an analog modem plugged into your cell phone with the service you were first describing? > Sprint also apparently has a free low-speed Internet access > service similar to Verizon's "QNC" service. I don't know if > Sprint's free low-speed service allows you dial up a > landline-modem or not. > > FWIW, I just plugged my VX4400 into my laptop, and Verizons > low-speed QNC service is still working. There are rumors > that Verizon is about to pull the plug on QNC, but those rumors > have been around for years. I've got to go with GSM. If both Sprint and Verizon offer it, there is probably a good chance that AT&T and/or T-Mobile do too. - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] x86_64 apache problem - OK now
After rebooting to 32-bit gentoo to verify the 32-bit apache setup was fine, I rebooted to 64-bit gentoo. All is working now. I just wish I knew exactly what the root cause of apache not running was and why it's fine now. > > lynx: Can't access startfile http://localhost/server-status > I get the same result like you. This is because I do not have a file > called server-status: FWIW, server-status isn't a real file. Rather it's a status report generated by mod_status (see /etc/apache2/modules.d/00_mod_info.conf for more info. Regards, David -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
On 2007-12-02, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Nice, I'm very glad to hear it works so well. I guess >>> something like that would work even over an analog connection. >> >> On a true analog (800MHz AMPS service) cell phone, I've had >> pretty decent success using MNP5 modems up to about 2400 baud. >> The standard CCITT error dectection/correction schemes used on >> landline modems isn't resilient enough for RF links. Good luck >> finding MNP5 analog modems. ;) Multitech in St. Paul was the >> last vendor I knew about that sold them, and that was 10+ >> years ago. >> >> If you're talking about an analog connection to a digital >> phone, it just won't work. The Codecs that digital phones use >> are optimized for human speech and won't pass QPSK (or even >> FSK) modem signals in a usable manner. > > What I meant there was that I should be able to dial up in > this manner even if the signal is reported to be analog > instead of digital. Is that true? I still don't understand what you're asking. Unless you're 800MHz AMPS service, it's all digital. There is no analog signalling on the network. If you're using an 800MHz AMPS service, then the "voice" channel is an analog FM link band-limited to 300-3KHz with C message weighting (just like a landline phone connection). You can push an analog modem signal through that voice channel, but the channel quality varies a lot and you need a really bullet-proof error-correction scheme like MNP5. > Are you saying it depends on whether or not the phone is > capable of 800MHz AMPS service? I guess so. The carriers are going to shut down AMPS service soon anyway. >> It's just passing on digital data that's carried by the >> wireless protocol in use (GSM/TDMA or 1xRTT/CDMA). When you >> "dial up a landline" with a digital cell phone, the wireless >> carrier actually has to connect a modem to a landline at the >> carriers switch and dial the number. The digital data from the >> cellphone is then routed to that modem. >> >> If you're using the wireless carrier as the ISP, then there are >> no modems involved at all: the digital data from the modem is >> simply routed onto the Internet. > > I see. So the only ways you know of to get a laptop online > with a cell phone are with a data plan in a digital service > area, or with any Verizon plan in either an analog or digital > service area? If you're using analog service, you can use any carrier that allows normal phone calls to access a dial-up modem. You just need a phone with a phone jack into which you can plug an analog modem. Motorol "bag" style phones used to have a accessor that plugged between the handset and the radio which provided a modem jack. I don't think you're going to find too many current phones that provide an analog modem jack. Sprint also apparently has a free low-speed Internet access service similar to Verizon's "QNC" service. I don't know if Sprint's free low-speed service allows you dial up a landline-modem or not. FWIW, I just plugged my VX4400 into my laptop, and Verizons low-speed QNC service is still working. There are rumors that Verizon is about to pull the plug on QNC, but those rumors have been around for years. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Are you guys lined up at for the METHADONE PROGRAM visi.comor FOOD STAMPS?? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
On 2007-12-02, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think so. According to what information I could > gather, I don't think the other carriers provide data > connections to dial-up landline numbers without a data plan. I just googled across something saying that Sprint also provides a "QNC" minutes-only low-speed data connection. I don't have the link handy, but googling for "sprint qnc" should find it. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Let me do my TRIBUTE at to FISHNET STOCKINGS... visi.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox-bin won't start on amd64
> > /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher: line 460: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: No > > such file or directory > > On this box, > > $ which firefox-bin > /usr/bin/firefox-bin Me too, I should have said that. $ which firefox-bin /usr/bin/firefox-bin Here's the whole error: $ firefox-bin /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher: line 368: /opt/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client: No such file or directory Unknown error 127 from mozilla-xremote-client /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher: line 460: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory firefox-bin exited with non-zero status (127) Also: $ ls /opt/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client /opt/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
> >> Yes. My Verizon LG VX4400 works fine as a modem. When plugged > >> into a USB port, it shows up as /dev/ttyUSBn. You can dial up > >> any landline modem you like using "AT" commands, or you can > >> dial up Verizon's internal ISP number. The connection looks > >> exactly like any other PPP connection via a serial modem. > >> Verizon provides low-speed (14.4Kbps) internet access for > >> "free" (doesn't cost you anything but normall calling > >> minutes). The free low-speed access isn't officially > >> supported: you won't find it listed in your contract. But, > >> it's always worked for me when I've needed it (I haven't tried > >> it for a few months, so YMMV). Higher speed access requires a > >> data plan. > > > > Nice, I'm very glad to hear it works so well. I guess > > something like that would work even over an analog connection. > > On a true analog (800MHz AMPS service) cell phone, I've had > pretty decent success using MNP5 modems up to about 2400 baud. > The standard CCITT error dectection/correction schemes used on > landline modems isn't resilient enough for RF links. Good luck > finding MNP5 analog modems. ;) Multitech in St. Paul was the > last vendor I knew about that sold them, and that was 10+ years > ago. > > If you're talking about an analog connection to a digital > phone, it just won't work. The Codecs that digital phones use > are optimized for human speech and won't pass QPSK (or even > FSK) modem signals in a usable manner. What I meant there was that I should be able to dial up in this manner even if the signal is reported to be analog instead of digital. Is that true? Are you saying it depends on whether or not the phone is capable of 800MHz AMPS service? > >> AFAIK, most of the Verizon phones can work as modems. At least > >> that was true back when I was reading up on the subject (about > >> 4-5 years ago). AFAICT, all the other US carriers required you > >> to pay for a data plan if you want to use your phone for > >> tethered internet access. > > > > Unless you just dial another ISP right? > > I don't think so. According to what information I could > gather, I don't think the other carriers provide data > connections to dial-up landline numbers without a data plan. > I'm not sure they even provide that _with_ a data plan. If you > find out otherwise, post a followup. I'd be particularly > interested in Sprint and QWest (which uses Sprint's network). > > The problem is that you can't send modem carrier over a digital > cell phone. The phone implements "AT" commands in order to > pretend it's a modem for the convenience of user software. > It's not, however, a modem at all. > > It's just passing on digital data that's carried by the > wireless protocol in use (GSM/TDMA or 1xRTT/CDMA). When you > "dial up a landline" with a digital cell phone, the wireless > carrier actually has to connect a modem to a landline at the > carriers switch and dial the number. The digital data from the > cellphone is then routed to that modem. > > If you're using the wireless carrier as the ISP, then there are > no modems involved at all: the digital data from the modem is > simply routed onto the Internet. I see. So the only ways you know of to get a laptop online with a cell phone are with a data plan in a digital service area, or with any Verizon plan in either an analog or digital service area? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox-bin won't start on amd64
On Sunday 02 Dec 2007, Grant wrote: > /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher: line 460: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: No > such file or directory On this box, $ which firefox-bin /usr/bin/firefox-bin -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, Aug 93 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
On 2007-12-02, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes. My Verizon LG VX4400 works fine as a modem. When plugged >> into a USB port, it shows up as /dev/ttyUSBn. You can dial up >> any landline modem you like using "AT" commands, or you can >> dial up Verizon's internal ISP number. The connection looks >> exactly like any other PPP connection via a serial modem. >> Verizon provides low-speed (14.4Kbps) internet access for >> "free" (doesn't cost you anything but normall calling >> minutes). The free low-speed access isn't officially >> supported: you won't find it listed in your contract. But, >> it's always worked for me when I've needed it (I haven't tried >> it for a few months, so YMMV). Higher speed access requires a >> data plan. > > Nice, I'm very glad to hear it works so well. I guess > something like that would work even over an analog connection. On a true analog (800MHz AMPS service) cell phone, I've had pretty decent success using MNP5 modems up to about 2400 baud. The standard CCITT error dectection/correction schemes used on landline modems isn't resilient enough for RF links. Good luck finding MNP5 analog modems. ;) Multitech in St. Paul was the last vendor I knew about that sold them, and that was 10+ years ago. If you're talking about an analog connection to a digital phone, it just won't work. The Codecs that digital phones use are optimized for human speech and won't pass QPSK (or even FSK) modem signals in a usable manner. >> AFAIK, most of the Verizon phones can work as modems. At least >> that was true back when I was reading up on the subject (about >> 4-5 years ago). AFAICT, all the other US carriers required you >> to pay for a data plan if you want to use your phone for >> tethered internet access. > > Unless you just dial another ISP right? I don't think so. According to what information I could gather, I don't think the other carriers provide data connections to dial-up landline numbers without a data plan. I'm not sure they even provide that _with_ a data plan. If you find out otherwise, post a followup. I'd be particularly interested in Sprint and QWest (which uses Sprint's network). The problem is that you can't send modem carrier over a digital cell phone. The phone implements "AT" commands in order to pretend it's a modem for the convenience of user software. It's not, however, a modem at all. It's just passing on digital data that's carried by the wireless protocol in use (GSM/TDMA or 1xRTT/CDMA). When you "dial up a landline" with a digital cell phone, the wireless carrier actually has to connect a modem to a landline at the carriers switch and dial the number. The digital data from the cellphone is then routed to that modem. If you're using the wireless carrier as the ISP, then there are no modems involved at all: the digital data from the modem is simply routed onto the Internet. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! My Aunt MAUREEN was at a military advisor to IKE & visi.comTINA TURNER!! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
> > Has anyone attached their cell phone to their Gentoo system to > > act as a modem? > > Yes. My Verizon LG VX4400 works fine as a modem. When plugged > into a USB port, it shows up as /dev/ttyUSBn. You can dial up > any landline modem you like using "AT" commands, or you can > dial up Verizon's internal ISP number. The connection looks > exactly like any other PPP connection via a serial modem. > Verizon provides low-speed (14.4Kbps) internet access for > "free" (doesn't cost you anything but normall calling minutes). > The free low-speed access isn't officially supported: you won't > find it listed in your contract. But, it's always worked for me > when I've needed it (I haven't tried it for a few months, so > YMMV). Higher speed access requires a data plan. Nice, I'm very glad to hear it works so well. I guess something like that would work even over an analog connection. > AFAIK, most of the Verizon phones can work as modems. At least > that was true back when I was reading up on the subject (about > 4-5 years ago). AFAICT, all the other US carriers required you > to pay for a data plan if you want to use your phone for > tethered internet access. Unless you just dial another ISP right? > > This would be great for traveling. I'm with Sprint (no > > contract) but I think I'll switch to T-Mobile because from > > what I understand they are the only cell phone provider in the > > US which uses the GSM band. > > GSM is a TDMA protocol, not a band. GSM can be (and is) used > on the same RF bands as the CDMA protocols used by Verizon and > Sprint. AT&T is also GSM, BTW. > > > That way I should be able to use the phone/modem > > internationally. > > That depends. The bands used by GSM phones in the US are > different than the bands used in other countries. Many of the > GSM phones available in the US are 1 or 2 band phones that > won't work internationally. If you want to use the phone > internationally, make sure it's a 3 or 4 band phone. Definitely. - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] x86_64 apache problem
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:12:33 + Mick wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007, David Relson wrote: > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" runs without any output > > > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 status" then reports: > > > > * status: stopped > > > > Looking up localhost > > Making HTTP connection to localhost > > Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. > > > > lynx: Can't access startfile http://localhost/server-status > > > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 configtest" seems happy: > > > > * Checking Apache Configuration ... > >[ ok ] > > > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 graceful" also seems happy > > > > * Gracefully restarting apache2 ... > >[ ok ] > > > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 modules" reports 49 modules plus "Syntax OK". > > > > Even with "start", "configtest", and "graceful" reporting no errors, > > apache isn't running. > > > > What am I overlooking? > > > > Regards, > > > > David > > > > FWIW, my cpu is an AMD 64 X2 5000, kernel is 2.6.22-gentoo-r9 (SMP), > > apache version is 2.2.6.> > > I get the same result like you. This is because I do not have a file > called server-status: > > # ls -la /var/www/localhost/ > total 6 > drwxr-xr-x 6 apache apache 144 Aug 9 07:46 . > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root136 Aug 23 22:05 .. > drwxr-xr-x 2 apache apache 144 Oct 13 15:26 cgi-bin > drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 976 Aug 9 07:46 error > drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 1432 Oct 14 11:26 htdocs > drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 4600 Aug 9 07:46 icons > > However, launching links on the server and going to the LAN IP > address of the server I get the apache index.html page. > -- > Regards, > Mick Hi Mick, That explains the "lynx can't access startfile ... server-status" message. Have you any idea why apache doesn't start? David -- David Relson Osage Software Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ann Arbor, MI 48103 www.osagesoftware.com tel: 734.821.8800 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Cell phone as modem
On 2007-12-02, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone attached their cell phone to their Gentoo system to > act as a modem? Yes. My Verizon LG VX4400 works fine as a modem. When plugged into a USB port, it shows up as /dev/ttyUSBn. You can dial up any landline modem you like using "AT" commands, or you can dial up Verizon's internal ISP number. The connection looks exactly like any other PPP connection via a serial modem. Verizon provides low-speed (14.4Kbps) internet access for "free" (doesn't cost you anything but normall calling minutes). The free low-speed access isn't officially supported: you won't find it listed in your contract. But, it's always worked for me when I've needed it (I haven't tried it for a few months, so YMMV). Higher speed access requires a data plan. AFAIK, most of the Verizon phones can work as modems. At least that was true back when I was reading up on the subject (about 4-5 years ago). AFAICT, all the other US carriers required you to pay for a data plan if you want to use your phone for tethered internet access. > This would be great for traveling. I'm with Sprint (no > contract) but I think I'll switch to T-Mobile because from > what I understand they are the only cell phone provider in the > US which uses the GSM band. GSM is a TDMA protocol, not a band. GSM can be (and is) used on the same RF bands as the CDMA protocols used by Verizon and Sprint. AT&T is also GSM, BTW. > That way I should be able to use the phone/modem > internationally. That depends. The bands used by GSM phones in the US are different than the bands used in other countries. Many of the GSM phones available in the US are 1 or 2 band phones that won't work internationally. If you want to use the phone internationally, make sure it's a 3 or 4 band phone. > Has anyone set this up? Only on Verzon (which isn't GSM). > Any phones look particularly good for this? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! WHY are we missing at KOJAK? visi.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] virtualbox shared folder anyone? [SOLVED]
Thank you! I use this way to solve the same problem in the x86_64 platform. I use virtualbox-1.5.2. On Apr 23, 2007 10:46 PM, Helmut Jarausch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The following steps were successful (for me) > > echo "app-emulation/virtualbox-bin additions dvitool" >> \ > /etc/portage/package.use > emerge app-emulation/virtualbox-bin# here 1.3.8-r1 > > create the virtual machine (WinXP in my case) as described > and install (here) WinXP SP2 and power off (the VM) after the complete > install. > > ### just examples ..v...vvv > vboxmanage sharedfolder add WinXP -name linux -hostpath /MySharedFolder > > Then start virtualbox again, > > click on Details CD/DVD-ROM > there on Mount CD/DVD > Some fiddling about "ISO Image File" leads to > add > /opt/VirtualBox/additions/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso > Then click on "ISO Image File" > > Now boot the virtual machine. > There you find VBoxGuestAdditions as an > additional (CD) drive. > > Click on it to start installing the additional > drivers from Virtualbox. > > Restart Windows and then > > execute cmd > and there > ### for my example v > net use x: \\vboxsvr\linux > > and voila, it seems to work! > > Helmut Jarausch > > Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik > RWTH - Aachen University > D 52056 Aachen, Germany > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > -- wcw -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Use of gethostname() and getdomainname()
On Sunday 2 December 2007, Mick wrote: > > Try adding the following line to /etc/hosts: > > > > a.b.c.d hostname.your.domain hostname > > > > of course, replacing a.b.c.d with your correct ip address. > > > > I don't know whether this is related to your problem, but it usually > > solves the domainname: (none) problem. > > Is this meant to be the LAN private address, or the Internet address > of the host? It depends. If you just need to solve the agetty banner problem which prints "welcome to machinename.(none)", you can just use 127.0.0.1 or eth0's address, and this always has solved all the problems for me until now. Otherwise, you have to know what address the application uses to identify the box. However, if in doubt, nothing stops you from adding several lines that differ only in the ip address: 127.0.0.1 hostname.your.domain hostname 10.0.0.1 hostname.your.domain hostname 100.100.100.100 hostname.your.domain hostname etc. NOTE: I don't know whether this is the correct way to do things. Many times it works, but other, less clumsy, ways probably exist (I simply haven't had the need to search them until now). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] x86_64 apache problem
On Saturday 01 December 2007, David Relson wrote: > "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" runs without any output > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 status" then reports: > > * status: stopped > > Looking up localhost > Making HTTP connection to localhost > Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. > > lynx: Can't access startfile http://localhost/server-status > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 configtest" seems happy: > > * Checking Apache Configuration ... >[ ok ] > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 graceful" also seems happy > > * Gracefully restarting apache2 ... >[ ok ] > > "/etc/init.d/apache2 modules" reports 49 modules plus "Syntax OK". > > Even with "start", "configtest", and "graceful" reporting no errors, > apache isn't running. > > What am I overlooking? > > Regards, > > David > > FWIW, my cpu is an AMD 64 X2 5000, kernel is 2.6.22-gentoo-r9 (SMP), > apache version is 2.2.6.> I get the same result like you. This is because I do not have a file called server-status: # ls -la /var/www/localhost/ total 6 drwxr-xr-x 6 apache apache 144 Aug 9 07:46 . drwxr-xr-x 5 root root136 Aug 23 22:05 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 apache apache 144 Oct 13 15:26 cgi-bin drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 976 Aug 9 07:46 error drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 1432 Oct 14 11:26 htdocs drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 4600 Aug 9 07:46 icons However, launching links on the server and going to the LAN IP address of the server I get the apache index.html page. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Cell phone as modem
On Sunday 02 December 2007, Grant wrote: > Has anyone attached their cell phone to their Gentoo system to act as > a modem? This would be great for traveling. I'm with Sprint (no > contract) but I think I'll switch to T-Mobile because from what I > understand they are the only cell phone provider in the US which uses > the GSM band. That way I should be able to use the phone/modem > internationally. Has anyone set this up? Any phones look > particularly good for this? Last time I used my cell phone (in the UK) it was over an irda connection and ppp dial up. Happy to share my outdated settings if you're interested, but I would think that your should be able to set up a bluetooth connection to your phone and use the GPRS connection which should be much faster than the 9600baud that my old phone could handle. Some of this may be useful to you: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Access_the_internet_with_your_cellphone_and_bluetooth_(UMTS/GPRS) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Cell phone as modem
Has anyone attached their cell phone to their Gentoo system to act as a modem? This would be great for traveling. I'm with Sprint (no contract) but I think I'll switch to T-Mobile because from what I understand they are the only cell phone provider in the US which uses the GSM band. That way I should be able to use the phone/modem internationally. Has anyone set this up? Any phones look particularly good for this? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Use of gethostname() and getdomainname()
On Saturday 01 December 2007, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: > On Saturday 1 December 2007, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > I've got my own domain and domain server. I've just run into a > > problem about the appropriate settings for hosts and domains, and it's > > messing up a few things in my postfix setup. > > > > The gentoo instructions say to set /etc/conf.d/hostname to the host > > name only. It gets passed to sethostname(2) unchanged by > > /etc/init.d/hostname. I did it. > > The gentoo instructions say to put a domain name, if needed, into > > /etc/conf.d/net. It seems to get used in network setup. I did it. > > > > Nothing seems to be set into whatever it is that setdomainname(2) is > > used for. > > My mailx mailer seems to put "localdomain" on the sender address when > > my crontab entries call it. Maybe because it sees that > > getdomainname(2) comes up empty. > > > > What's the right way to set this up? Should I just cobble my proper > > domain into setdomainname(2)? Is there a right way? Is there a > > better way? > > Try adding the following line to /etc/hosts: > > a.b.c.d hostname.your.domain hostname > > of course, replacing a.b.c.d with your correct ip address. > > I don't know whether this is related to your problem, but it usually > solves the domainname: (none) problem. Is this meant to be the LAN private address, or the Internet address of the host? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: esound refuses to compile with docbook error even though -doc is specified
On Dec 1, 2007 11:37 PM, Hans de Graaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:24:00 -0800, Justin Patrin wrote: > > > # emerge -auv esound > > > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > > > Calculating dependencies... done! > > [ebuild N] media-sound/esound-0.2.38-r1 USE="alsa ipv6 tcpd -debug > > -doc" 0 kB > > > > ... > > > > Making all in docs > > make[2]: Entering directory > > `/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/esound-0.2.38-r1/work/esound-0.2.38/docs' > > jw -f docbook -b html -o html ./esound.sgml Using catalogs: > > /etc/sgml/sgml-docbook-3.1.cat Using stylesheet: > > /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html Working on: > > /var/tmp/portage/media-sound/esound-0.2.38-r1/work/esound-0.2.38/docs/./ > esound.sgml > > jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/sgml-dtd-3.1/dbcent.mod:53:65:W: cannot > > generate system identifier for public text "ISO 8879:1986//ENTITIES > > Added Math Symbols: Arrow Relations//EN" > > jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/sgml-dtd-3.1/dbcent.mod:54:8:E: reference > > to entity "ISOamsa" for which no system identifier could be generated > > jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/sgml-dtd-3.1/dbcent.mod:52:0: entity was > > defined here > > > > > > This has been happening to me for quite some time, I haven't been able > > to finish updating gnome because of this. > > As far as I can tell this particular problem can be fixed by re-emerging > sgml-common. > > Yep, that did it. I thought I'd reemerged all of the docbook related packages but I missed that one. Thanks. -- Justin Patrin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Orphan libraries in my system
On Sunday 02 December 2007, Mick wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > > sometimes the breakage is hidden and subtle - but for example stale > > libstdcc.la files are known to break compilation of c++ code (like qt, > > kde and other cool stuff). It is usually a good idea to remove a gcc-dir > > if there are only orphaned *la files left. > > > > btw libGL.la is generated by eselect opengl. > > Hmm, I wonder if this 'stale' gcc-3.4.5 has something to do with it: > === > # gcc-config -l > [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5 > [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened > [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie > [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp > [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp > [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2 * > > # emerge -Cpv gcc-3.4.5 > > >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged: > > --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge. > > >>> No packages selected for removal by unmerge > > === > > The strange thing is that the orphan libs are from gcc-3.4.4. Anyway, I'll > delete them now as you recommend. I just noticed that /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4 contains a whole lot of other packages which were not identified by qfile as stale: === # ls -la /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/ total 20891 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 976 Dec 8 2004 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 Oct 27 2004 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3797008 Dec 8 2004 cc1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4429280 Dec 8 2004 cc1plus -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 102048 Dec 8 2004 collect2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root1680 Dec 8 2004 crtbegin.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root2216 Dec 8 2004 crtbeginS.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root2076 Dec 8 2004 crtbeginT.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root1344 Dec 8 2004 crtend.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root1544 Dec 8 2004 crtendS.o -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4219688 Dec 8 2004 f771 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 512 Dec 8 2004 include drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 224 Dec 8 2004 install-tools -rw-r--r-- 1 root root1182 Dec 8 2004 libfrtbegin.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 364042 Dec 8 2004 libg2c.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 785 Dec 8 2004 libg2c.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 26 2006 libg2c.so -> libg2c.so.0.0.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Mar 26 2006 libg2c.so.0 -> libg2c.so.0.0.0 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 129876 Dec 8 2004 libg2c.so.0.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2920182 Dec 8 2004 libgcc.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 294570 Dec 8 2004 libgcc_eh.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Mar 26 2006 libgcc_s.so -> libgcc_s.so.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38644 Dec 8 2004 libgcc_s.so.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 184448 Dec 8 2004 libiberty.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1874656 Dec 8 2004 libstdc++.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 969 Dec 8 2004 libstdc++.la lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Mar 26 2006 libstdc++.so -> libstdc++.so.5.0.6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Mar 26 2006 libstdc++.so.5 -> libstdc++.so.5.0.6 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 808208 Dec 8 2004 libstdc++.so.5.0.6 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1965794 Dec 8 2004 libstdc++_pic.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 173834 Dec 8 2004 libsupc++.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 909 Dec 8 2004 libsupc++.la -rw-r--r-- 1 root root4726 Dec 8 2004 specs === Should I remove the lot? (gcc-3.3.4 was unmerged from my system years ago). -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Orphan libraries in my system
On Saturday 01 December 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > On Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007, Mick wrote: > > On Saturday 01 December 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > > > On Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007, Mick wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I found these libraries hanging around. Should I be deleting them or > > > > am I going to bork my system? Wouldn't mind leaving well alone if > > > > there is a suspicion that I may break things. > > > > > > > > # qfile -o $(find /lib /usr/lib -name "*.la")/lib/libattr.la > > > > /lib/libacl.la > > > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/libstdc++.la > > > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/libsupc++.la > > > > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.4/libg2c.la > > > > /usr/lib/libopcodes.la > > > > /usr/lib/libucl.la > > > > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/libstdc++.la > > > > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/libsupc++.la > > > > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/libg2c.la > > > > /usr/lib/alsaplayer/interface/libtext_interface.la > > > > /usr/lib/alsaplayer/interface/libdaemon_interface.la > > > > /usr/lib/libMrm.la > > > > /usr/lib/libGL.la > > > > /usr/lib/libUil.la > > > > /usr/lib/libXm.la > > > > /usr/lib/libbfd.la > > > > > > > > > > usually keeping them breaks things. > > > > Fair enough, but nothing seems broken so far . . . > > sometimes the breakage is hidden and subtle - but for example stale > libstdcc.la files are known to break compilation of c++ code (like qt, kde > and other cool stuff). It is usually a good idea to remove a gcc-dir if > there are only orphaned *la files left. > > btw libGL.la is generated by eselect opengl. Hmm, I wonder if this 'stale' gcc-3.4.5 has something to do with it: === # gcc-config -l [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5 [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2 * # emerge -Cpv gcc-3.4.5 >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged: --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge. >>> No packages selected for removal by unmerge === The strange thing is that the orphan libs are from gcc-3.4.4. Anyway, I'll delete them now as you recommend. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: esound refuses to compile with docbook error even though -doc is specified
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:24:00 -0800, Justin Patrin wrote: > # emerge -auv esound > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > [ebuild N] media-sound/esound-0.2.38-r1 USE="alsa ipv6 tcpd -debug > -doc" 0 kB > > ... > > Making all in docs > make[2]: Entering directory > `/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/esound-0.2.38-r1/work/esound-0.2.38/docs' > jw -f docbook -b html -o html ./esound.sgml Using catalogs: > /etc/sgml/sgml-docbook-3.1.cat Using stylesheet: > /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#html Working on: > /var/tmp/portage/media-sound/esound-0.2.38-r1/work/esound-0.2.38/docs/./ esound.sgml > jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/sgml-dtd-3.1/dbcent.mod:53:65:W: cannot > generate system identifier for public text "ISO 8879:1986//ENTITIES > Added Math Symbols: Arrow Relations//EN" > jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/sgml-dtd-3.1/dbcent.mod:54:8:E: reference > to entity "ISOamsa" for which no system identifier could be generated > jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/sgml-dtd-3.1/dbcent.mod:52:0: entity was > defined here > > > This has been happening to me for quite some time, I haven't been able > to finish updating gnome because of this. As far as I can tell this particular problem can be fixed by re-emerging sgml-common. Kind regards, Hans -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
