date:20080618

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:51:05 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

> I wonder if anyone can share how to use the mythdvd module on Gentoo?
> I've always emerged mythtv with the dvd flag but the mythdvd module
> isn't emerged. It's not a problem for me to emerge it separately but
> I'm wondering whether it needs to be emerged on only the backend or on
> every frontend or all machines?

From 0.21 MythDVD is part of the core MythTV package, so the mythdvd-0.21
ebuild installs nothing, just gives you a message to this effect.

> Once emerged does it just show up as another media option on the
> frontend?

MythDVD runs on the frontend, you should have a CD/DVD item in the main
menu, with options to Play DVD and Import DVD.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Bill Roberts

This is my first time replying to a thread using gmail, so I apologize
in advance if It ends up on the  wrong end of the thread.

There seems to be a big change coming in graphics: Intel is coming out
towards the end of the year with a motherboard with integrated
graphics that will be competitive with the graphics provided by nvidia
and ati cards.

I am guessing that soon graphics for most applications will be
provided in the same way that sound, ethernet, usb and others, which
used to be provided by extension cards, are provided to most users
today, as an integrated part of the motherboard.

The days when ATI and NVIDIA can rack up huge profits selling cards
for two, three, or four times the cost of a motherboard, are coming to
a close. I'm sure there will always be a market for high end graphics
cards, but for most of us, the graphics on the new motherboards will
fill the bill.

I'm hanging on with an old AGP nvidia 6600GT and relatively obsolete
motherboard in anticipation of better solutions coming soon.

Bill Roberts

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, fire-eyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Platoali wrote:
>>
>> Well, last night the graphic card of my laptop got broken. So I'm
>> considering to replace it with a workstation for some graphic
>> applications (Mainly blender and gimp.) I need 3d acceleration, and my
>> poor laptop was rendering for hours to get my job done. So I decide to
>> buy a workstation instead a laptop. I want to ask, which graphic cards
>>  are better supported in Linux. I know that ATI have freed or in the
>> process of freeing their graphic cards driver. But I did not have any
>> good memory from my previous experience with ATI. My previous card was
>> ATI radeon 9600m and it never worked the way  it had to  until broken.
>> I want to know, what is the current status of ATI drivers in Linux?
>> Does the problems have been solved? Can they compete with Nvidia?
>>
>> And I want to know which one is better supported in Linux kernel
>> regardless of how much open/free  the drivers is. I'm currently
>> thinking between Nvidia Quadro fx 1700 and Ati firegl 5600. Does
>> anyone have any comment about them?
>
> ATI's drivers have been buggy to the point that I avoid them 100% of the
> time when using linux. In multiple systems, using their drivers means that
> my system will hard hang 100% of the time when exiting xorg in any way. Such
> as logging out, killing xorg, rebooting, etc.
>
> Nvidias drivers are far more stable in linux, I would strongly suggest going
> that route. I do not know the specifics of those cards, sorry.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Ati or Nvida

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Bill Roberts wrote:
> This is my first time replying to a thread using gmail, so I apologize
> in advance if It ends up on the  wrong end of the thread.
>
> There seems to be a big change coming in graphics: Intel is coming out
> towards the end of the year with a motherboard with integrated
> graphics that will be competitive with the graphics provided by nvidia
> and ati cards.

no, intel is saying that.

And honestly, intel is the master of fud and preannouncing vaporware. They 
have a long history of announcing stuff that never came into existance, was 
delayed for YEARS or went away after some examples for the media. 

The last time intel produced a 'competetive' graphics solution it was the i740 
... not very competetive at all.

So as long as intel does not show the boards I just don't believe them.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Robin Atwood

On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Platoali wrote:

> And I want to know which one is better supported in Linux kernel
> regardless of how much open/free  the drivers is. I'm currently
> thinking between Nvidia Quadro fx 1700 and Ati firegl 5600. Does
> anyone have any comment about them?

I don't know if this helps but my laptop has an Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 chip 
which I use the x11-base/x11-drm drivers with and it's fine. I think it's 
only 2D though, i.e. googlemaps is unusable. However, everything is 
open-source.

HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Platoali

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Robin Atwood
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Platoali wrote:
>
>> And I want to know which one is better supported in Linux kernel
>> regardless of how much open/free  the drivers is. I'm currently
>> thinking between Nvidia Quadro fx 1700 and Ati firegl 5600. Does
>> anyone have any comment about them?
>
> I don't know if this helps but my laptop has an Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 chip
> which I use the x11-base/x11-drm drivers with and it's fine. I think it's
> only 2D though, i.e. googlemaps is unusable. However, everything is
> open-source.
>
> HTH
> -Robin
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>

My main use for this graphic card is blender and as many know, all the
interface is written in OpenGL, so any graphic card without 3D is
useless for me.

I don't think the new generation of integrated Gpu/Cpu works for
professional graphic applications. I think Ati and Nvidia will have at
least their pro customers in  future for their high end graphic cards.
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Re: [gentoo-user] mythdvd on Gentoo?

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:51:05 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> I wonder if anyone can share how to use the mythdvd module on Gentoo?
>> I've always emerged mythtv with the dvd flag but the mythdvd module
>> isn't emerged. It's not a problem for me to emerge it separately but
>> I'm wondering whether it needs to be emerged on only the backend or on
>> every frontend or all machines?
>
> From 0.21 MythDVD is part of the core MythTV package, so the mythdvd-0.21
> ebuild installs nothing, just gives you a message to this effect.
>
>> Once emerged does it just show up as another media option on the
>> frontend?
>
> MythDVD runs on the frontend, you should have a CD/DVD item in the main
> menu, with options to Play DVD and Import DVD.
>
Neil,
   I do not have this option in the main menu. I see:

Watch TV
Media
Manage Recordings
Information Center
Utilities/Setup

   According to this 0.20 oriented Wiki there doesn't seem to be
anything I need to do to at least find it in the menus but it's not
here or in any of the sub-menus.

   Ideas?

Thanks,
Mark
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[gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

2008-06-18 Thread Helmut Jarausch

Hi,

due to a bug with gcc-4.3.1 when used with -O2 or higher
I need to emerge a package with a lower optimization (-O1)
than my default in /etc/make.conf (which is -O2)

Is there a means to do so without changing /etc/make.conf temporarily?

Many thanks for a hint,

Helmut Jarausch

Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
RWTH - Aachen University
D 52056 Aachen, Germany
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Re: [gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

2008-06-18 Thread Justin


Helmut Jarausch schrieb:

Hi,

due to a bug with gcc-4.3.1 when used with -O2 or higher
I need to emerge a package with a lower optimization (-O1)
than my default in /etc/make.conf (which is -O2)

Is there a means to do so without changing /etc/make.conf temporarily?

Many thanks for a hint,

Helmut Jarausch

Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
RWTH - Aachen University
D 52056 Aachen, Germany
  

There was a big discussion abou that a few days ago:

tuning ./configure parameters via emerge

was the name of the thread.

In short:

/etc/portage/env//

can be used to overwrite every variable the portage recognizes on an 
package specific base. (F77 needs an export in front for many packages)




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Re: [gentoo-user] mythdvd on Gentoo?

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

> > MythDVD runs on the frontend, you should have a CD/DVD item in the
> > main menu, with options to Play DVD and Import DVD.

>I do not have this option in the main menu. I see:
> 
> Watch TV
> Media
> Manage Recordings
> Information Center
> Utilities/Setup

It appears between Information Centre and Utilities/Setup here.

>According to this 0.20 oriented Wiki there doesn't seem to be
> anything I need to do to at least find it in the menus but it's not
> here or in any of the sub-menus.

The MythTV wiki should relate to the release version, 0.21.

>Ideas?

USE flags? Mine are

% eix -e mythtv
[I] media-tv/mythtv
 Available versions:  0.20.2_p14972 0.20.2_p15634 (~)0.21_p16867 
(~)0.21_p16926 (~).21_p16944
 (~)0.21_p17100 (~)0.21_p17435 [M](~)0.22_alpha17132 
[M](~)0.22_alpha17449
 Installed versions:  0.21_p17435(17:45:37 03/06/08)(aac alsa dvb dvd 
ieee1394 lirc mmx opengl
  python video_cards_nvidia x264 xvid xvmc -altivec 
-autostart -debug
  -directv -fftw -jack -lcd -perl)


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[gentoo-user] How do I update world?

I have two problems related to world on my ~amd64 system.  I upgraded
gcc and finished the emerge -ev system, but I can't do the same to
world because of blockage.  Specifically --

!!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been pulled
!!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:

www-client/mozilla-firefox:0

  ('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.14', 'merge') pulled in by
('ebuild', '/', 'dev-haskell/gtk2hs-0.9.12.1', 'merge')
@world

  ('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0', 'merge') pulled in by
@world
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-plugins/noscript-1.6.9', 'merge')

x11-proto/printproto:0

  ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.3', 'merge') pulled in by
@world
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-base/xorg-server-1.4.2', 'merge')

  ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4', 'merge') pulled in by
@world
('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.14', 'merge')
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/libXprintUtil-1.0.1', 'merge')
(and 8 more)

This mess started before firefox-3.0.0 was released, but I have since
upgraded.  I still get this complaint about 2.0.0.14.  I have demerged
dev-haskell/gtk2hs, yet emerge -pev world still wants to drag it in
(it shows as [  N ]) and that apparently wants to drag in the old
firefox.

I have edited /var/lib/portage/world and gtk2hs is not present.
Firefox is present but has no version number.

So, two questions:

How do I tell portage that gtk2hs is not part of world any more?

How do I clear these blockages so I can emerge -ev world?

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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world?

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:31:32 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> !!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been pulled
> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
> 
> www-client/mozilla-firefox:0
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.14', 'merge')
> pulled in by ('ebuild', '/', 'dev-haskell/gtk2hs-0.9.12.1', 'merge')
> @world
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0', 'merge') pulled in
> by @world
> ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-plugins/noscript-1.6.9', 'merge')
> 
> x11-proto/printproto:0
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.3', 'merge') pulled in by
> @world
> ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-base/xorg-server-1.4.2', 'merge')
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4', 'merge') pulled in by
> @world
> ('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.14', 'merge')
> ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/libXprintUtil-1.0.1', 'merge')
> (and 8 more)
> 
> This mess started before firefox-3.0.0 was released, but I have since
> upgraded.  I still get this complaint about 2.0.0.14.  I have demerged
> dev-haskell/gtk2hs, yet emerge -pev world still wants to drag it in
> (it shows as [  N ]) and that apparently wants to drag in the old
> firefox.
> 
> I have edited /var/lib/portage/world and gtk2hs is not present.
> Firefox is present but has no version number.
> 
> So, two questions:
> 
> How do I tell portage that gtk2hs is not part of world any more?

If it's not in the world file, it's not part of world. Running emerge
with the --tree option will show you what wants it installed.

> How do I clear these blockages so I can emerge -ev world?

Firefox 2 is probably required by some package using the firefox USE
flag. Switch this package(s) to use xulrunner instead and they should be
happy with Firefox 3.


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[gentoo-user] Upgrading without breaking LVM

2008-06-18 Thread Matt Harrison


Hi all,

Some of you may remember my problems with lvm after an update in 
http://www.archivum.info/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/2008-04/msg00899.html

I'm now headed back towards the same situation. I have a load of updates to do
according to emerge -DNavu world but I've had to mask all upgraded versions of
udev, mdadm and lvm as every time I upgrade them, it breaks my disk access.

Whenever I upgrade these packages (I'm not which one of those 3 is actually to
blame, and I don't want to chance it) I can no longer access the lvm volumes on
my disks. I have no idea what is causing it.

This means I cannot do a world update as those manually masked packages are
blocking a lot of other packages. 

A few months on, is anyone able to shed light on why updating any of those 3
packages causes my system to be unbootable and my data to be inaccessible?

I would really like to keep my system up to date, but as you can understand, I'm
loathe to make changes that will give me a borked system yet again.

Grateful for advice anyone can give as my system is now getting quite out of
date.

Thanks

Matt Harrison


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Re: [gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> Hi,
>
> due to a bug with gcc-4.3.1 when used with -O2 or higher
> I need to emerge a package with a lower optimization (-O1)
> than my default in /etc/make.conf (which is -O2)
>
> Is there a means to do so without changing /etc/make.conf temporarily?


you could edit the ebuild and add filter-flags to it. Then copy it to your 
local overlay, ebuild blabla.ebuild digest and you are ready to emerge.
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[gentoo-user] digital camera - Longshot!

2008-06-18 Thread Matthew R. Lee

Dear All,
I've just taken delivery of a shiny new microscope with a digital imaging 
system. Essentially a fancy usb webcam.  As usual out of the box there is no 
Linux support. The model is a Q Imaging Go-3. Their website doesn't mention 
linux support except in the context of the firewire models.
I've done a lsusb and got the following info:
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 5354:80e3 [no model or manufacturer info]

I've looked through various webcam, gentoo-wiki, and V4L sites to see if those 
IDs mean anything, but no luck sofar. I even tried googling them. Truth is 
I'm not sure what they actually refer to.

Longshot, has anybody got this camera and got it working.
The alternative I suppose is to run it through XP which I'm going to install 
in a virtual machine later. I've got other software I need to use which I 
can't persuade Wine to run.
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Re: [gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

2008-06-18 Thread Justin


Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb:

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
  

Hi,

due to a bug with gcc-4.3.1 when used with -O2 or higher
I need to emerge a package with a lower optimization (-O1)
than my default in /etc/make.conf (which is -O2)

Is there a means to do so without changing /etc/make.conf temporarily?




you could edit the ebuild and add filter-flags to it. Then copy it to your 
local overlay, ebuild blabla.ebuild digest and you are ready to emerge.
  
First he only wants to reduce his CFLAGS and second as discussed it is 
more easy to use EXTRA_ECONF variable to expand configure stuff.

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Re: [gentoo-user] digital camera - Longshot!

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 01:50:42PM -0400, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> Dear All,
> I've just taken delivery of a shiny new microscope with a digital imaging 
> system. Essentially a fancy usb webcam.  As usual out of the box there is no 
> Linux support. The model is a Q Imaging Go-3. Their website doesn't mention 
> linux support except in the context of the firewire models.
> I've done a lsusb and got the following info:
> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 5354:80e3 [no model or manufacturer info]

What happens when you plug it in?  I had some USB devices which didn't
claim to have Linux support yet worked fine as simple file systems.  I
suppose the microscope might have fancy controls which work via the
USB interface, but if the only USB purpose is to read files, it might
be good enough.

Sounds like a pretty neat toy tho, and  best of all, it sounds like it
might be actual work-related for you.  Good luck.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mythdvd on Gentoo?

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:14:56 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> > MythDVD runs on the frontend, you should have a CD/DVD item in the
>> > main menu, with options to Play DVD and Import DVD.
>
>>I do not have this option in the main menu. I see:
>>
>> Watch TV
>> Media
>> Manage Recordings
>> Information Center
>> Utilities/Setup
>
> It appears between Information Centre and Utilities/Setup here.
>
>>According to this 0.20 oriented Wiki there doesn't seem to be
>> anything I need to do to at least find it in the menus but it's not
>> here or in any of the sub-menus.
>
> The MythTV wiki should relate to the release version, 0.21.
>
>>Ideas?
>
> USE flags? Mine are
>
> % eix -e mythtv
> [I] media-tv/mythtv
> Available versions:  0.20.2_p14972 0.20.2_p15634 (~)0.21_p16867 
> (~)0.21_p16926 (~).21_p16944
> (~)0.21_p17100 (~)0.21_p17435 [M](~)0.22_alpha17132 
> [M](~)0.22_alpha17449
> Installed versions:  0.21_p17435(17:45:37 03/06/08)(aac alsa dvb dvd 
> ieee1394 lirc mmx opengl
>  python video_cards_nvidia x264 xvid xvmc -altivec 
> -autostart -debug
>  -directv -fftw -jack -lcd -perl)
>
>
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eix -e mythtv

 Installed versions:  0.21_p16867(12:32:45 04/07/08)(alsa dvb dvd
ivtv mmx perl python vorbis xvmc -aac -altivec -autostart -dbox2
-debug -directv -hdhomerun -ieee1394 -iptv -jack -joystick -lcd -lirc
-opengl -opengl-video -opengl-xvmc -video_cards_nvidia
-video_cards_via)

Slightly older version on this machine so I'll upgrade to the one you
are running in case it's a bug that got caught and fixed. Unless it's
the opengl stuff I don't see anything else really obvious to me.

Let me know what flags you think I might want to change and I'll do a
new emerge.

One note, in case it's important. This machine used to be our 0.20
backend server. I've since built a new 0.21 dedicated server and now
this is used as a 0.21 frontend only. I doubt that makes any
difference but fewer emails with more info is sometimes better. Also,
I checked that the DVD is working and correctly seen by the system. I
can mount a DVD in Gnome's GUI and I can watch movies using xine so I
think this is a myth specific issue.

If a rebuild with flag changes doesn't fix it I'll then post to
myth-users and see if anyone there knows why it isn't working.

Thanks again,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world?

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This mess started before firefox-3.0.0 was released, but I have since
> upgraded.  I still get this complaint about 2.0.0.14.  I have
> demerged dev-haskell/gtk2hs, yet emerge -pev world still wants to
> drag it in (it shows as [  N ]) and that apparently wants to drag in
> the old firefox.
>
> I have edited /var/lib/portage/world and gtk2hs is not present.
> Firefox is present but has no version number.
>
> So, two questions:
>
>     How do I tell portage that gtk2hs is not part of world any more?

Wrong question. What you want to do is tell portage to not pull gtk2hs 
in. That is happening more than likely because of some USE flag you 
have enabled. So, unmerging it simply causes portage to pull it back in 
with the next merge...

2 ways to find out:

1. equery depends gtk2hs
   This method is not really reliable but works often enough 
   to be useful
2. emerge -avunDt world
   This gives a nice tree view of what is going on. Note that more than
   one package might want gtk2hs, so you might have to run this more
   than once.

Finally, there is no need for you to run 'emerge -pev world' to find out 
stuff. That fools portage into thinking nothing is obscured, everything 
shows up as a new package and the differences upgrades, remerges and 
new package is lost.

>     How do I clear these blockages so I can emerge -ev world?

If it's due to a USE flag (highly likely), remove the flag from USE

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Re: [gentoo-user] digital camera - Longshot!

2008-06-18 Thread Stroller

On 18 Jun 2008, at 18:50, Matthew R. Lee wrote:

...
I've done a lsusb and got the following info:
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 5354:80e3 [no model or manufacturer info]

I've looked through various webcam, gentoo-wiki, and V4L sites to
see if those
IDs mean anything, but no luck sofar. I even tried googling them.
Truth is

I'm not sure what they actually refer to.

I'm more familiar with PCI IDs but
presumably USB IDs work the same.

The one part of the ID belongs to the manufacturer, the other relates
to the specific device - eg you can see from the list at www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids> that 03f0:0004 would be a Hewlett-Packard
DeskJet 895c.

Normally when you run `lspci` (and I would imagine `lsusb`) the
manufacturer & model are looked up and, instead of the numbers, are
shown by name. In your case no-one has submitted your numbers to the
database or names to match them.

AIUI the IDs are picked fairly arbitrarily, so two devices with the
same chipset may have completely different numbers. Often (always?)
the author of a driver will include a list of supported devices in
the driver's header files, and the driver will check to see if any
supported devices are present before trying to do any magic.

Thus it may be that - in fact, I'd imagine it's likely that - your
device uses the same chipset as (say) a Logitech webcam or an Apple
iSight, but the module isn't autoloaded because the driver doesn't
know about it. If you are able to determine the chipset - a Google
provides little information, so the obvious way is to open the case
with a screwdriver & inspect the identifiers printed on the largest
chip on the board - it should be pretty easy to add your device (see,
for example, where 3890 is mentioned in line 115 of /usr/src/linux/
drivers/net/wireless/prism54/prism54.mod.c and www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=1132>)

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world?

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 07:14:37PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> 2 ways to find out:
> 
> 1. equery depends gtk2hs
>This method is not really reliable but works often enough 
>to be useful

I had tried this, but it blows up and dumps out a nice backtrace which
might be fun for somebody, but not me :-)

> 2. emerge -avunDt world
>This gives a nice tree view of what is going on. Note that more than
>one package might want gtk2hs, so you might have to run this more
>than once.

Neil mentioned -t also, which does help, but xulrunner, for instance,
shows up with no associated packages so I have no way of telling what
other packages drag in what versions.

> Finally, there is no need for you to run 'emerge -pev world' to find out 
> stuff. That fools portage into thinking nothing is obscured, everything 
> shows up as a new package and the differences upgrades, remerges and 
> new package is lost.

I am not sure what you mean.  I need to run emerge -e world after a
major gcc upgrade, according to the upgrade guide.  Is there a better
way of doing this?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Enrico Weigelt


Hi,


I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100.

The proprietary drivers *never* worked for me - the binary kernel
modules crashed the whole kernel (complete lockup) after a several
seconds (doesnt even need X to come up for that).

I've analyzed their module a bit and seen really bad things. 
Looks it's a hand-written bunch of assembler code with massive 
code obfuscation, just like Skype ;-o

IMHO, if someone spends so much work into machine code obfuscation,
he *really* has something to hide. Not just some "intellectual
property" (which is outdated alfter a few months).

Of course, opensource 3D support is (almost) not existing, 
(2D works very fine), and NVidia repeatedly states that they
will NOT do the slightest attempt to improve the situation. 

So I strongly suggest, NOT to buy NV cards.

(BTW: a few month ago, I managed to stop a customer from buying
several hundreds of NV cards - yes, consulting jobs sometimes
make really fun this way ;-P)


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Re: [gentoo-user] mythdvd on Gentoo?

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:35:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:

> eix -e mythtv
> 
>  Installed versions:  0.21_p16867(12:32:45 04/07/08)(alsa dvb dvd
> ivtv mmx perl python vorbis xvmc -aac -altivec -autostart -dbox2
> -debug -directv -hdhomerun -ieee1394 -iptv -jack -joystick -lcd -lirc
> -opengl -opengl-video -opengl-xvmc -video_cards_nvidia
> -video_cards_via)
> 
> Slightly older version on this machine so I'll upgrade to the one you
> are running in case it's a bug that got caught and fixed. Unless it's
> the opengl stuff I don't see anything else really obvious to me.

I'm sure I was running that version at some time, and never noticed the
menu disappearing. If you're missing the top-level menu, you are also
missing the CD playing stuff as well as the mytharchive controls. It
might be worth installing mytharchive just to see if it brings the menu
up.

It is possible that your theme is at fault, I had some options disappear
when I switched to 0.21 while using a theme that was only for 0.20.

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Re: [gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:20:52 +0200 (CEST)
Helmut Jarausch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> due to a bug with gcc-4.3.1 when used with -O2 or higher
> I need to emerge a package with a lower optimization (-O1)
> than my default in /etc/make.conf (which is -O2)
> 
> Is there a means to do so without changing /etc/make.conf temporarily?
> 
> Many thanks for a hint,
> 
> Helmut Jarausch
> 
> Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik
> RWTH - Aachen University
> D 52056 Aachen, Germany

AFAIK, you can override all settings when calling emerge like this:

CFLAGS="..." emerge ...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading without breaking LVM

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:41:12 +0100
Matt Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Some of you may remember my problems with lvm after an update in 
> http://www.archivum.info/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/2008-04/msg00899.html
> 
> I'm now headed back towards the same situation. I have a load of
> updates to do according to emerge -DNavu world but I've had to mask
> all upgraded versions of udev, mdadm and lvm as every time I upgrade
> them, it breaks my disk access.
> 
> Whenever I upgrade these packages (I'm not which one of those 3 is
> actually to blame, and I don't want to chance it) I can no longer
> access the lvm volumes on my disks. I have no idea what is causing it.
> 
> This means I cannot do a world update as those manually masked
> packages are blocking a lot of other packages. 
> 
> A few months on, is anyone able to shed light on why updating any of
> those 3 packages causes my system to be unbootable and my data to be
> inaccessible?
> 
> I would really like to keep my system up to date, but as you can
> understand, I'm loathe to make changes that will give me a borked
> system yet again.
> 
> Grateful for advice anyone can give as my system is now getting quite
> out of date.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Matt Harrison

Which versions are you using, to which shall they be updated and on
which arch are you? Knowing emerge --info and your profile might also
help.

By the way: Did you report it as a bug? If not, I would certainly do so
if I were you.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100.
>
> The proprietary drivers *never* worked for me - the binary kernel
> modules crashed the whole kernel (complete lockup) after a several
> seconds (doesnt even need X to come up for that).
>
> I've analyzed their module a bit and seen really bad things.
> Looks it's a hand-written bunch of assembler code with massive
> code obfuscation, just like Skype ;-o
>
> IMHO, if someone spends so much work into machine code obfuscation,
> he *really* has something to hide. Not just some "intellectual
> property" (which is outdated alfter a few months).
>
> Of course, opensource 3D support is (almost) not existing,
> (2D works very fine), and NVidia repeatedly states that they
> will NOT do the slightest attempt to improve the situation.
>
> So I strongly suggest, NOT to buy NV cards.
>
> (BTW: a few month ago, I managed to stop a customer from buying
> several hundreds of NV cards - yes, consulting jobs sometimes
> make really fun this way ;-P)
>

and what do you recommend?


ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad as nvidia from 'obfuscation' point of view 
and a lot worse if you compare the horror stories? Ati, whose drivers even 
suck in windows?

Btw, most of the time people have problems with nvidia its either the cards 
bios or the mobos.

Or Intel? With no 3d power at all?
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Re: [gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Justin wrote:

> First he only wants to reduce his CFLAGS and second as discussed it is
> more easy to use EXTRA_ECONF variable to expand configure stuff.

and filter-flags does exaclty that - filter and replaces flags.
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Re: [gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Florian Philipp wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:20:52 +0200 (CEST)
>
> Helmut Jarausch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > due to a bug with gcc-4.3.1 when used with -O2 or higher
> > I need to emerge a package with a lower optimization (-O1)
> > than my default in /etc/make.conf (which is -O2)
> >
> > Is there a means to do so without changing /etc/make.conf
> > temporarily?

[snip]

> AFAIK, you can override all settings when calling emerge like this:
>
> CFLAGS="..." emerge ...

Which is something you should never do.

Portage does not know that you did this, and with the next emerge it 
will revert back to whatever is in the various config files, which you 
will have forgotten, and you will pull your hair out for hours trying 
to figure out what the problem is. For the second time.

Don't change env vars on the command line to modify portage's behaviour, 
instead use the relevant config file, unless such a file really really 
doe snot exist.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading without breaking LVM

2008-06-18 Thread Matt Harrison

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:46:25PM +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> Which versions are you using, to which shall they be updated and on
> which arch are you? Knowing emerge --info and your profile might also
> help.

Thanks for the reply.

Ok, versions in use:

lvm2-2.02.10
mdadm-2.6.4-r1
udev-104-r12

I've masked updates to an versions after those above. Emerge wants to
upgrade to the following:

lvm2-2.02.28-r2
udev-119

mdadm doesn't actually want to be upgraded so it must be a problem with one of
those two packages.

All I know is when I do a world update, my lvm dies and I have to reinstall or
go through a painful downgrade procedure.

> By the way: Did you report it as a bug? If not, I would certainly do so
> if I were you.

I haven't but that's because no-one else has reported problems like this, and
I can work out why its affecting me in enough detail. I don't want to submit
a but report unless I can back it up with some useful information.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world?

2008-06-18 Thread Roy Wright


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have two problems related to world on my ~amd64 system.  I upgraded
> gcc and finished the emerge -ev system, but I can't do the same to
> world because of blockage.  Specifically --
> 
> !!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been pulled
> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
> 
> x11-proto/printproto:0
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.3', 'merge') pulled in by
> @world
> ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-base/xorg-server-1.4.2', 'merge')
> 
>   ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4', 'merge') pulled in by
> @world
> ('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.14', 'merge')
> ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/libXprintUtil-1.0.1', 'merge')
> (and 8 more)
> 

There's a report on b.g.o. on this.  The easy way around is to disable
the xprint flag on xorg-server.

# grep xprint /etc/portage/package.use
x11-base/xorg-server -xprint

HTH,
Roy

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[gentoo-user] GRUB question

2008-06-18 Thread Matthew R. Lee

I've just compiled a new kernel. I then mounted the boot partition, copied the 
new bzimage across, along with .config and system.map. I then edited the 
grub.conf But when I reboot it offers me the same options as in the old 
grub.conf not the new one. I must have missed a step somewhere, but I can't 
think where. Can anyone point me in the right direction
Thanks
Matt

New grub.conf:
default 0

timeout 30

splashimage=(hd0,0) /boot/grub/splash2.xpm.gz

title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2

root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3 
video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED]

title=Gentoo 2.6.25-r5

root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.25-r5 root=/dev/sda3 
video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Old grub.conf:
default 0

timeout 30

splashimage=(hd0,0) /boot/grub/splash2.xpm.gz

title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2

root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3 
video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED]

title=Gentoo 2.6.18-r6

root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.18-r6 root=/dev/sda3 
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Re: [gentoo-user] GRUB question

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:34:35 -0400, Matthew R. Lee wrote:

> I've just compiled a new kernel. I then mounted the boot partition,
> copied the new bzimage across, along with .config and system.map. I
> then edited the grub.conf But when I reboot it offers me the same
> options as in the old grub.conf not the new one.

It's much easier to use make install to copy and have your grub entries
point to vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old, that way you don't need to touch your
grub config.

Do you also have a menu.lst file in /boot/grub (as opposed to a symlink).
AFAIK, this file takes precedence over grub.conf if both are present.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world?

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 07:14:37PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > 2 ways to find out:
> >
> > 1. equery depends gtk2hs
> >This method is not really reliable but works often enough
> >to be useful
>
> I had tried this, but it blows up and dumps out a nice backtrace
> which might be fun for somebody, but not me :-)

emerge depends -a gtk2hs
gives more detail. The only package that shows up here is 
app-portage/himerge. Do you have this installed?

[snip]

> > Finally, there is no need for you to run 'emerge -pev world' to
> > find out stuff. That fools portage into thinking nothing is
> > obscured, everything shows up as a new package and the differences
> > upgrades, remerges and new package is lost.
>
> I am not sure what you mean.  I need to run emerge -e world after a
> major gcc upgrade, according to the upgrade guide.  Is there a better
> way of doing this?

My mistake, I missed the fact that this was after a gcc upgrade


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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading without breaking LVM

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:01:03 +0100
Matt Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:46:25PM +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> > Which versions are you using, to which shall they be updated and on
> > which arch are you? Knowing emerge --info and your profile might
> > also help.
> 
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> Ok, versions in use:
> 
> lvm2-2.02.10
> mdadm-2.6.4-r1
> udev-104-r12
> 
> I've masked updates to an versions after those above. Emerge wants to
> upgrade to the following:
> 
> lvm2-2.02.28-r2
> udev-119
> 

udev-104 ?! That's not even in the portage tree any longer, right?

In any case: Opening a bug might help you faster than we could. The only
advice I can give you is to upgrade udev first so you know which
package really has the bug and then to try newer versions of lvm, I'd
try 2.02.36 which is marked stable for amd64 (I guess, you're on x86?). 

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Re: [gentoo-user] mythdvd on Gentoo?

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>
>> Slightly older version on this machine so I'll upgrade to the one you
>> are running in case it's a bug that got caught and fixed. Unless it's
>> the opengl stuff I don't see anything else really obvious to me.
>
> I'm sure I was running that version at some time, and never noticed the
> menu disappearing. If you're missing the top-level menu, you are also
> missing the CD playing stuff as well as the mytharchive controls. It
> might be worth installing mytharchive just to see if it brings the menu
> up.
>

I am missing everything having to do with reading physical media, but
I don't have mythmusic installed so I hadn't been looking for that.
I'll try emerging mytharchive later this evening. The only packages
currently emerged are mythtv and myth-themes. Nothing else.

> It is possible that your theme is at fault, I had some options disappear
> when I switched to 0.21 while using a theme that was only for 0.20.
>

I tried 4 other themes earlier and got the same results so I'm
disinclined to think that's it at this point.

Thanks much,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] GRUB question

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> I've just compiled a new kernel. I then mounted the boot partition,
> copied the new bzimage across, along with .config and system.map. I
> then edited the grub.conf But when I reboot it offers me the same
> options as in the old grub.conf not the new one. I must have missed a
> step somewhere, but I can't think where. Can anyone point me in the
> right direction
> Thanks
> Matt
>
> New grub.conf:
> default 0
>
> timeout 30
>
> splashimage=(hd0,0) /boot/grub/splash2.xpm.gz
>
> title=Gentoo 2.6.22-r2
>
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r2-2 root=/dev/sda3
> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> title=Gentoo 2.6.25-r5
>
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.25-r5 root=/dev/sda3
> video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Switch the stanzas around in grub.conf. You have the older kernel listed 
first, and 'default 0'


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Re: [gentoo-user] GRUB question

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:34:35 -0400
"Matthew R. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've just compiled a new kernel. I then mounted the boot partition,
> copied the new bzimage across, along with .config and system.map. I
> then edited the grub.conf But when I reboot it offers me the same
> options as in the old grub.conf not the new one. I must have missed a
> step somewhere, but I can't think where. Can anyone point me in the
> right direction Thanks
> Matt
> 

Did you check whether you've really overwritten the old grub.conf?
Is the file in the right directory (/boot/grub/)? Is there a symlink
menu.lst on grub.conf? 
Do you really boot from that partition?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading without breaking LVM

On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Matt Harrison wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:46:25PM +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> > Which versions are you using, to which shall they be updated and on
> > which arch are you? Knowing emerge --info and your profile might
> > also help.
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Ok, versions in use:
>
> lvm2-2.02.10
> mdadm-2.6.4-r1
> udev-104-r12

Hang on a minute 

Those are stable packages. IIRC you are using baselayout-2 right?

I'm not surprised you are having trouble. What happens if you mark lvm2, 
mdadm and udev unstable and re-merge? Does it just update those 
packages, or does it pull in a ton of other stuff as well?

AFAIK, there isn't an easy way to downgrade baselayout, and I wouldn't 
like to try either

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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world?

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:19:48PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 June 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 07:14:37PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > 2 ways to find out:
> > >
> > > 1. equery depends gtk2hs
> > >This method is not really reliable but works often enough
> > >to be useful
> >
> > I had tried this, but it blows up and dumps out a nice backtrace
> > which might be fun for somebody, but not me :-)
> 
> emerge depends -a gtk2hs
> gives more detail. The only package that shows up here is 
> app-portage/himerge. Do you have this installed?

I think you mean equery depends, not emerge.  It is broken on my
~amd64 system, but a ~x86 system shows himerge.

I demerged himerge and now it comes down to this:

!!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been pulled
!!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:

x11-proto/printproto:0

  ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.3', 'merge') pulled in by
@world
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-base/xorg-server-1.4.2', 'merge')

  ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4', 'merge') pulled in by
@world
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/libXprintUtil-1.0.1', 'merge')
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-apps/xdpyinfo-1.0.3', 'merge')
(and 7 more)

I proably wouldn't miss xdpyinfo much, but other packages depend on it
and I've been down that road of cascading demerges before.  I am not
going to demerge xorg-server.  I am not sure where to go from here.

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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world?

On Thursday 19 June 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I demerged himerge and now it comes down to this:
>
> !!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been pulled
> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
>
> x11-proto/printproto:0

Somebody else posted that this is a known bug caused by the xprint USE 
flag for xorg-server. I would have missed that one, I've had -xprint in 
my USE for a long time now (it's been problematic for ages)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading without breaking LVM

2008-06-18 Thread Matt Harrison

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:01:03 +0100
> Matt Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:46:25PM +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
> > > Which versions are you using, to which shall they be updated and on
> > > which arch are you? Knowing emerge --info and your profile might
> > > also help.
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply.
> > 
> > Ok, versions in use:
> > 
> > lvm2-2.02.10
> > mdadm-2.6.4-r1
> > udev-104-r12
> > 
> > I've masked updates to an versions after those above. Emerge wants to
> > upgrade to the following:
> > 
> > lvm2-2.02.28-r2
> > udev-119
> > 
> 
> udev-104 ?! That's not even in the portage tree any longer, right?

Quite possibly, its installed from the 2007.0 stage3 tarball.

And in reply to Alan's post, no I'm not (intentionally) useing BL2. Nothing is
marked unstable on this machine with the example of a ruby module i quite like.

This was the problem before, if I let emerge upgrade mdadm and lvm2, its starts
trying to run BL2 initscripts and complaining that I'm not using BL2.

> In any case: Opening a bug might help you faster than we could. The only
> advice I can give you is to upgrade udev first so you know which
> package really has the bug and then to try newer versions of lvm, I'd
> try 2.02.36 which is marked stable for amd64 (I guess, you're on x86?). 

Yes I'm on x86. I've got a few other amd64 systems that does have any problems,
but I'm installing a test machine now with a layout as close to this problem 
system as possible. I'll try upgrading udev, then lvm2 and see if I can break
it as well.

As I say its annoying because obviously I'm about the only one with this 
problem.
I didn't think my setup was that peculiar :P

I'll look into a bug report as soon as I can pin down which package is causing 
the 
real probs.

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I update world? -- FIXED

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 04:29:00PM -0500, Roy Wright wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I have two problems related to world on my ~amd64 system.  I upgraded
> > gcc and finished the emerge -ev system, but I can't do the same to
> > world because of blockage.  Specifically --
> > 
> > !!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been pulled
> > !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
> > 
> > x11-proto/printproto:0
> > 
> >   ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.3', 'merge') pulled in by
> > @world
> > ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-base/xorg-server-1.4.2', 'merge')
> > 
> >   ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-proto/printproto-1.0.4', 'merge') pulled in by
> > @world
> > ('ebuild', '/', 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.14', 'merge')
> > ('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/libXprintUtil-1.0.1', 'merge')
> > (and 8 more)
> > 
> 
> There's a report on b.g.o. on this.  The easy way around is to disable
> the xprint flag on xorg-server.
> 
> # grep xprint /etc/portage/package.use
> x11-base/xorg-server -xprint

Bingo!  Looks like that did the trick.  Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht


Volker Armin Hemmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit:

> ATI? Which 3d drivers are as bad as nvidia from 'obfuscation' point
> of view and a lot worse if you compare the horror stories? 

The point is that *this* is changing with ATI.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GRUB question

2008-06-18 Thread Matthew R. Lee

On Wednesday 18 June 2008 17:54:28 Florian Philipp wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:34:35 -0400
>
> "Matthew R. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've just compiled a new kernel. I then mounted the boot partition,
> > copied the new bzimage across, along with .config and system.map. I
> > then edited the grub.conf But when I reboot it offers me the same
> > options as in the old grub.conf not the new one. I must have missed a
> > step somewhere, but I can't think where. Can anyone point me in the
> > right direction Thanks
> > Matt
>
> Did you check whether you've really overwritten the old grub.conf?
> Is the file in the right directory (/boot/grub/)? Is there a symlink
> menu.lst on grub.conf?
> Do you really boot from that partition?

the file /boot/grub/grub.conf has the new config.
menu.lst is a symlink to grub.conf
/boot is the mount point for /dev/sda1 the boot partition
the only thing that I changed is to replace the oldest kernel with the newest. 
The order shouldn't make any difference, I want the default to be my current 
working kernel. I want to test the new kernel before I make it the default.
Point is that this setup was working previously and has done so since I 
started using gentoo.  I have checked to make sure that /dev/sda1 was really 
mounted at /boot when I copied everything across, and it was. So I don't know 
what has gone wrong.

Matt

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Re: [gentoo-user] temporarily lower gcc's optimization flags - HowTo

2008-06-18 Thread William Kenworthy

CFLAGS='-MY_OTHER_FLAGS -O1' emerge package

???
BillK


On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 19:46 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 June 2008, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > due to a bug with gcc-4.3.1 when used with -O2 or higher
> > I need to emerge a package with a lower optimization (-O1)
> > than my default in /etc/make.conf (which is -O2)
> >
> > Is there a means to do so without changing /etc/make.conf temporarily?
> 
> 
> you could edit the ebuild and add filter-flags to it. Then copy it to your 
> local overlay, ebuild blabla.ebuild digest and you are ready to emerge.
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Re: [gentoo-user] digital camera - Longshot!

2008-06-18 Thread Iain Buchanan

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 13:50 -0400, Matthew R. Lee wrote:
> Dear All,
> I've just taken delivery of a shiny new microscope with a digital imaging 
> system. Essentially a fancy usb webcam.  As usual out of the box there is no 
> Linux support. The model is a Q Imaging Go-3. Their website doesn't mention 
> linux support except in the context of the firewire models.
> I've done a lsusb and got the following info:
> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 5354:80e3 [no model or manufacturer info]

I couldn't find any info about your webcam, but this guy
(http://mxhaard.free.fr/) has done a lot of webcam work.  You might want
to try the media-video/gspcav1 ebuild and the spca driver and see.

HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] mythdvd on Gentoo?

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> Slightly older version on this machine so I'll upgrade to the one you
>>> are running in case it's a bug that got caught and fixed. Unless it's
>>> the opengl stuff I don't see anything else really obvious to me.
>>
>> I'm sure I was running that version at some time, and never noticed the
>> menu disappearing. If you're missing the top-level menu, you are also
>> missing the CD playing stuff as well as the mytharchive controls. It
>> might be worth installing mytharchive just to see if it brings the menu
>> up.
>>
>
> I am missing everything having to do with reading physical media, but
> I don't have mythmusic installed so I hadn't been looking for that.
> I'll try emerging mytharchive later this evening. The only packages
> currently emerged are mythtv and myth-themes. Nothing else.
>

OK Neil. thanks. I added mytharchive and now I have the optical disks
menu entry. That's a step in the right direction. Seems I need to add
some storage area for it to store ripped discs I suppose, but other
than that at least things look more functional.

Maybe I made an assumption about mythdvd that was incorrect. My wife
asked if she could watch movies inside of Myth instead of using xine.
I assumed Myth could just play a movie from the disc but it seems like
possibly it wants to rip first?

Are you able to play DVD's without ripping them? If so maybe I'm
missing some other module? mythvideo possibly?

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Robert Bridge

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:04:40 +0200
Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100.

There is your problem. A notebook card. Even the nVidia site admits
that the notebook cards are weird. The drivers support the chipset, but
there are no guarantees about the rest of the card, which may cause the
drivers to fail.

I would say that I have a geforce Go 5200, and it works cleanly and
stably with the nVidia drivers, though almost all the hotkey related
features fail. If it didn't work, would I blame nVidia? No, I would
blame Dell, it's Dell laptop after all.

So before you go flaming nVidia for a mobile card, check it is
not actually a problem with the notebook, as notebooks frequently get
customised cards.

Cheers,

Rob.
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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

2008-06-18 Thread Bob Young

-Original Message-
From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:05 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida

>Hi,
>
>
>I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100.
>
>The proprietary drivers *never* worked for me - the binary kernel
>modules crashed the whole kernel (complete lockup) after a several
>seconds (doesnt even need X to come up for that).
>

Somehow you later statements make me distrust your opening one...

> I've analyzed their module a bit and seen really bad things. 

Really...You've "analyzed" a closed source module. Care to share 
the details of how you performed this "analysis" ?

>Looks it's a hand-written bunch of assembler code with massive 
>code obfuscation, 
>

U...perfectly good C/C++ code that's been even moderately 
Optimized by any reasonably sane compiler will look like that
when it's disassembled...now how was it you did this "analysis"
on a *closed source* module again...? 

>IMHO, if someone spends so much work into machine code obfuscation,
>he *really* has something to hide. 
>

It's closed source driver, neither you nor anybody else who hasn't 
seen the source code has any basis whatsoever to justify such an 
"opinion" without making themselves look like a total dimwit. 

> Not just some "intellectual
> property" (which is outdated alfter a few months).

Uhhh...if the intellectual property is so "outdated", why is it so 
difficult to duplicate? So far no one advocating open source, can 
manage to duplicate even the functionality of the 3D driver, much 
less the performance?

> Of course, opensource 3D support is (almost) not existing, 
> (2D works very fine), and NVidia repeatedly states that they
> will NOT do the slightest attempt to improve the situation. 
>

Why should they, their providing for Linux, the same thing they 
provide for Windows, i.e. a binary driver that drives their GPU
and performs quite well in the experience of a lot of users. From 
their point of view the situation doesn't need improving

>So I strongly suggest, NOT to buy NV cards.
>

You've never written graphics drivers have you?

>(BTW: a few month ago, I managed to stop a customer from buying
>several hundreds of NV cards - yes, consulting jobs sometimes
>make really fun this way ;-P)

Maybe that was the correct decision, maybe not, depends on the
circumstances. Regardless, your clients are not well served by your
uninformed bias.

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