[gentoo-user] Re: pager independant of window manager
brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: exist a pager , independent and more usefull than the traditional f/bbpafger , is ipager... ...go here [http://www.useperl.ru/ipager/index.en.html] Thanks... yes looks interesting.
[gentoo-user] VIM Undo Command
I have a odd issue with vim. The undo last action command which is (u) does not work in vi. The undo all changes command (Shift+u) works just fine. Anyone ever run into this problem or know how I can fix this issue. This problem is related to all the user on the system not just one user. This is the error I get when I try to use the undo command: 'u' is not implemented . I am using version 7.2.021 of vim. I have this same version installed on a 64 bit version of Gentoo and I am not seeing this problem. J.J.
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
2008/12/2 b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: May I ask why many people on MLs use to write links as footnotes instead that inside the mail text? I suspect it is some netiquette issue, but I can't find info on that and I find it mildly confusing. Because http://some-vvverrryy-long-link/some-page.html looks terrible too? -- Regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
2008/12/2 Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because http://some-vvverrryy-long-link/some-page.html looks terrible too? Yeah and I know that there is tinyurl and such stuff, but even if the link is not that long, I think it does not look good. -- Regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:33:32 +0100, brullo nulla wrote: Not to me. I am accustomed to see links inside of text in webpages, so there is nothing strange in what you posted. I rarely see URLs inside the text of web pages, they are generally hyperlinked to a piece of the text. Email is more like printed text in this respect, where links to references are usually given in footnotes. -- Neil Bothwick I'm in shape ... Round's a shape isn't it? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
On Friday 28 November 2008 21:31:51 Stroller wrote: NTFS *is* really bad in that regard. I've seen it HORRIBLY fragmented, and defragging it make a REMARKABLE difference. I remember also that when M$ introduced NTFS they made a big thing of not needing to defrag it. Only later, when others were making a living selling NTFS defraggers, did they bow to the inevitable. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user]Unable to download Imagemagick
Uwe Hermann wrote: On Monday 01 December 2008 13:03:11 ert256 wrote: Hello Since last week, i'm unable to download new imagemagick sources. This is what i get from emerge : [snip] No such file `ImageMagick-6.4.4-6.tar.bz2'. Thank You for Your help ? Hi You could try adding some more mirrors with mirrorselect emerge -av app-portage/mirrorselect mirrorselect -i -o /etc/make.conf After that, you'd have to delete or comment the previous GENTOO_MIRRORS=... in /etc/make.conf HTH Uwe I can't find a man page for mirrorselect. Is there more documentation somewhere? Thanks Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
brullo nulla wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/2 b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: May I ask why many people on MLs use to write links as footnotes instead that inside the mail text? I suspect it is some netiquette issue, but I can't find info on that and I find it mildly confusing. Because http://some-vvverrryy-long-link/some-page.html looks terrible too? Not to me. I am accustomed to see links inside of text in webpages, so there is nothing strange in what you posted. Since it seems only an aestethic preference, I'll continue to post links in-text when appropriate (tinyurl'ing long links possibly). Thanks, m. This reminds me of the text/html debate. If you put links in the body and some guru that has the answer doesn't like links in the body, they may not read your post and you could be left without a answer for a while longer. Or worse yet, if it is some software that is rarely used, they may be the only one here that uses the software and has the answer. I prefer html messages myself but a lot of people here don't like them so I send text. Some users even have filters that sends html to /dev/null which means they don't ever even get seen or read. This is something you may want to consider when you send something. Also, I have ran into tinyurl not working or if I look up a old post, it may have expired or something and the link goes nowhere. So guess what, I don't click on tinyurl stuff much. Exceptions may be something that is really huge. If you are attaching a 2Mb file, may want to post a link to it instead. I have also been known to send it to someone off list on request. Thoughts to ponder. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Daniel Iliev schrieb: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:46:01 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote: If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it? By not defragging it. I beg to defer. The simplest way to defrag a partition is to make backup and restore. If it's worth the effort is another story. It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is a huge problem in itself, but because windows filesystems are a steaming mess of [EMAIL PROTECTED] that do little right and most things wrong. Defrag treats the symptom, not the cause :-) Personally I think NTFS is one of the things MS have done right. It is fast, stable and has the features of the Linux FSes and even more. It has journal, quotas, permissions, mount points, symbolic links. Does any of ext, reiserfs or xfs have compression and/or encryption capabilities? I don't think so. I have some experience with MS Windows and I've never seen data corruption after a system crash or power loss, a thing I can't say about ReiserFS or ext3 (when not mounted with data=journal). SNIP My experience with NTFS is somewhat more balanced (maybe). In about 12 years I experienced one damaged NTFS instance. This was caused by a crash during an installation (don't remember what we installed - it's been about 9 years ago :-) BUT this was an example of total destruction and mayhem -- absolutely irreparable. After about 120 errors (filenames with very much foreign sounding names - high bit turned on) we gave up and reinstalled everything. Probably the MFT was damaged beyond repair. So my conclusion --- NTFS is not so easy to damage, but if you manage it, you're toast :-/ Ciao, Wolfgang Liebich
Re: [gentoo-user]Unable to download Imagemagick
Uwe wrote: On Tuesday 02 December 2008 13:15:08 Dale wrote: [snip] I can't find a man page for mirrorselect. Is there more documentation somewhere? Thanks Dale :-) :-) Well I found this one on gentoo-wiki.com http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Mirrorselect It's probably more helpful if you use mirrorselect --help *g* Uwe LOL I did man mirrorselect. I didn't think about the --help one tho. I feel so silly. LOL Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
Daniel Pielmeier wrote: 2008/12/2 Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because http://some-vvverrryy-long-link/some-page.html looks terrible too? Yeah and I know that there is tinyurl and such stuff, but even if the link is not that long, I think it does not look good. I agree. Takes a little getting used to but it is less confusing to me. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Stroller wrote: No, NTFS *is* really bad in that regard. I've seen it HORRIBLY fragmented, and defragging it make a REMARKABLE difference. At least the nice thing is that Defrag not only fixes you the problem, but also shows it before you run it. Stroller. I agree. I defrag my brothers sometimes when I am up there and it has data spread all over the place and takes a long time to get it all back to somewhat reasonable. I usually have to do it twice to get it back together. NTFS may be better than FAT but not by much. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Anyone managed to install Intel C++ 11 on Gentoo AMD64?
There's no ebuild for Intel C++ 11, so I'm trying to install using Intel's installation script. It barks that I don't have these: libstdc++.so.5 32-bit libstdc++ 32-bit libstdc++5 32-bit glibc 32-bit libgcc I have app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-compat installed though. Anyone managed to make this thing install?
Re: [gentoo-user] FAT/VFAT fs analyser ???
2008/12/2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I dont want to install MTP firmware on my T60. Me neither ;-) I have solved my little problem with a tool called fatsort. Meimo, thanks for letting us know. This is a solution I was not aware of and it sounds great. Unfortunately there is no ebuild for fatsort [1] only a maintainer wanted bug [2]. There is even a python gui [3], but I don't know if there is really a need for a gui though. I think I will update the ebuild (which does not look that complicated and needs some improvements anyway) in the bug to version 0.9.9 and probably write one for the gui (although the source is not versioned). Then I will try to get this into the tree soonish. [1] http://fatsort.berlios.de/ [2] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170425 [3] http://blog.laxu.de/2008/02/03/fatsort-gui/ -- Regards, Daniel
Re: [gentoo-user] OpenOffice-bin spellchecker not working
On Monday 01 Dec 2008, Fernando Antunes wrote: 2008/12/1 James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any ideas how to fix? ispell, hunspell, aspell, myspell-en and aspell-en are all installed. James, ooo 3 use extensions to install dictionaries. James http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-711397-highlight-openoffice.html?sid=83d3c5c7c6cee4cdef59a8b447b5e343 HTH -- -- Robin Atwood
[gentoo-user] What is wrong with my nat table?
Hi all: Today I found that there is a lot of unexpected staff in my iptables system when I executed the --list command as following: # iptables -t nat -L Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywheretcp dpt:http-alt redir ports 59263 REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywheretcp dpt:https redir ports 59264 REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywheretcp dpt:imaps redir ports 59265 (omiting 78 rules) Does anyone know why such rules exit here? -- Shaochun Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
Daniel Pielmeier ha scritto: Unfortunately there is no ebuild for fatsort [1] only a maintainer wanted bug [2]. There is even a python gui [3], but I don't know if there is really a need for a gui though. I think I will update the ebuild (which does not look that complicated and needs some improvements anyway) in the bug to version 0.9.9 and probably write one for the gui (although the source is not versioned). Then I will try to get this into the tree soonish. [1] http://fatsort.berlios.de/ [2] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170425 [3] http://blog.laxu.de/2008/02/03/fatsort-gui/ May I ask why many people on MLs use to write links as footnotes instead that inside the mail text? I suspect it is some netiquette issue, but I can't find info on that and I find it mildly confusing. m.
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/2 b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: May I ask why many people on MLs use to write links as footnotes instead that inside the mail text? I suspect it is some netiquette issue, but I can't find info on that and I find it mildly confusing. Because http://some-vvverrryy-long-link/some-page.html looks terrible too? Not to me. I am accustomed to see links inside of text in webpages, so there is nothing strange in what you posted. Since it seems only an aestethic preference, I'll continue to post links in-text when appropriate (tinyurl'ing long links possibly). Thanks, m.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Fragmentation [experiment]
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:11:58 +0200
Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip-]
for (( i=0 ; i=400 ; i++ ))
do
sync
echo 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
echo -n try_no=$i
/usr/bin/time -f \
command=%C|\
real_t=%e|\
kernel_t=%S|\
[-snip-]
The results are ready. I'm just sending them w/o any analysis, because
I've got no time right now. I just took a bare look for any obvious
mistakes and found that I have left space instead of pipe for
separator between the first two fields (see the quote above). To
fix this, one can issue:
IFS=|;bzcat results.txt.bz2 | \
sed 's/try_no=\(.*\) command/\1|command/g'
To get only specific fields (id real time and io wait for example), one
can issue:
IFS=|;bzcat results.txt.bz2 | \
sed 's/try_no=\(.*\) command/\1|command/g' | \
while read id comm rt kt ut maf mif csw iow fsr fsw
do
echo $id $rt $iow
done
To get only the values and specific parts of the string, one could use
${var##*=} and ${var:offset:length}. Example:
IFS=|;bzcat results.txt.bz2 | \
sed 's/try_no=\(.*\) command/\1|command/g' | \
while read id comm rt kt ut maf mif csw iow fsr fsw
do
echo -e ${comm:11:5}\t${rt##*=}\t${iow##*=}
done
Tonight I hope I'll have more time to discuss the results. I believe
the format is not hard to parse for input into an SQL backend in order
to use a statistics application for analysis and graphical
representation (RRDtool, perhaps?).
--
Best regards,
Daniel
results.txt.bz2
Description: BZip2 compressed data
Re: [gentoo-user]Unable to download Imagemagick
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 13:15:08 Dale wrote: [snip] I can't find a man page for mirrorselect. Is there more documentation somewhere? Thanks Dale :-) :-) Well I found this one on gentoo-wiki.com http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Mirrorselect It's probably more helpful if you use mirrorselect --help *g* Uwe -- Uwe keksvernichter@@gmail.com GPG-Key: BAE335B5 @ ldap://keyserver.pgp.com 0x61CCD9835C8AE45D842C2620517AF62BBAE335B5.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Mouse keyboard broken after upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.2
I just upgraded xorg-server to 1.5.2 and ati-drivers tp 8.522-r2. Now keyboard and mouse don't work in X - gpm, qingy and virtual terminals work fine however. Rebuilding the drivers didn't help I attach emerge --info output, this is my package.use entry for xorg-server: x11-base/xorg-serverdri -nptl -minimal xorg -Erik -- v4sw5RUYhw2ln3pr5ck0ma2u7Lw3+2Xm0l6/7Gi2e2t3b6AKMen5+7a16s0Sr1p-8.12/-6.56g6OR X.Org X Server 1.5.2 Release Date: 10 October 2008 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.27-a-00063-g28bd6a0 i686 Current Operating System: Linux eriks 2.6.27-a-00063-g28bd6a0 #2 PREEMPT Mon Dec 1 21:18:30 CET 2008 i686 Build Date: 01 December 2008 10:19:39PM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Tue Dec 2 17:52:12 2008 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) ServerLayout aticonfig Layout (**) |--Screen aticonfig-Screen[0]-0 (0) (**) | |--Monitor aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0 (**) | |--Device aticonfig-Device[0]-0 (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (==) Including the default font path /usr/share/fonts/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/TTF/,/usr/share/fonts/OTF,/usr/share/fonts/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/. (**) FontPath set to: /usr/share/fonts/misc/, /usr/share/fonts/TTF/, /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/, /usr/share/fonts/misc/, /usr/share/fonts/TTF/, /usr/share/fonts/OTF, /usr/share/fonts/Type1/, /usr/share/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/share/fonts/75dpi/ (**) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules (**) Extension Composite is disabled (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device. (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AllowEmptyInput. (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket) (II) Loader magic: 0x81d3280 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 4.1 X.Org XInput driver : 2.1 X.Org Server Extension : 1.1 X.Org Font Renderer : 0.6 (II) Loader running on linux (++) using VT number 7 (--) PCI:*([EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc R420 JI [Radeon X800PRO] rev 0, Mem @ 0xc000/0, 0xcfef/0, I/O @ 0xb800/0, BIOS @ 0x/131072 (--) PCI: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:1) ATI Technologies Inc R420 [Radeon X800 PRO/GTO] (Secondary) rev 0, Mem @ 0xb800/0, 0xcfee/0 (II) System resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000f - 0x000f (0x1) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000c - 0x000e (0x3) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x - 0x0009 (0xa) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] [5] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] (II) extmod will be loaded by default. (II) dbe will be loaded by default. (II) glx will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) freetype will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) record will be loaded by default. (II) dri will be loaded by default. (II) LoadModule: xtrap (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libxtrap.so (II) Module xtrap: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension DEC-XTRAP (II) LoadModule: freetype (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts//libfreetype.so (II) Module freetype: vendor=X.Org Foundation the After X-TT Project compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 2.1.0 Module class: X.Org Font Renderer ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.6 (II) Loading font FreeType (II) LoadModule: glx (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 7.4.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (**) AIGLX enabled (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: extmod (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 1.5.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 1.1 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading
[gentoo-user] Re: Mouse keyboard broken after upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.2
Erik Hahn wrote: I just upgraded xorg-server to 1.5.2 and ati-drivers tp 8.522-r2. Now keyboard and mouse don't work in X Pay attention to what the xorg-server ebuild tells you. It even beeps like crazy to get your attention. It tells you exactly what to do if those drivers stop working.
Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse keyboard broken after upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.2
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 18:02:37 Erik Hahn wrote: I just upgraded xorg-server to 1.5.2 and ati-drivers tp 8.522-r2. Now keyboard and mouse don't work in X - gpm, qingy and virtual terminals work fine however. Rebuilding the drivers didn't help I attach emerge --info output, this is my package.use entry for xorg-server: x11-base/xorg-serverdri -nptl -minimal xorg -Erik Hi If they are not configured in your xorg.conf-ServerLayout, then they can't work : It should look like this: Section ServerLayout Identifier aticonfig Layout Screen 0 aticonfig-Screen[0]-0 0 0 InputDevice Keyboard0 InputDevice Mouse0 EndSection HTH Uwe -- Uwe keksvernichter@@gmail.com GPG-Key: BAE335B5 @ ldap://keyserver.pgp.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse keyboard broken after upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.2
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just upgraded xorg-server to 1.5.2 and ati-drivers tp 8.522-r2. Now keyboard and mouse don't work in X - gpm, qingy and virtual terminals work fine however. Rebuilding the drivers didn't help I attach emerge --info output, this is my package.use entry for xorg-server: x11-base/xorg-serverdri -nptl -minimal xorg -Erik -- v4sw5RUYhw2ln3pr5ck0ma2u7Lw3+2Xm0l6/7Gi2e2t3b6AKMen5+7a16s0Sr1p-8.12/-6.56g6OR from your log... (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device. (II) Cannot locate a core keyboard device. (II) The server relies on HAL to provide the list of input devices. If no devices become available, reconfigure HAL or disable AllowEmptyInput. I know very little about how to prod HAL into shape, but I get the feeling it's where you'll find your problem... as a start... is HAL running when you start X? -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse keyboard broken after upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.2
On Dienstag 02 Dezember 2008, Erik Hahn wrote: I just upgraded xorg-server to 1.5.2 and ati-drivers tp 8.522-r2. Now keyboard and mouse don't work in X - gpm, qingy and virtual terminals work fine however. Rebuilding the drivers didn't help I attach emerge --info output, this is my package.use entry for xorg-server: x11-base/xorg-serverdri -nptl -minimal xorg -Erik and did you rebuilt the keyboardmouse drivers after the upgrade, like einfo told you?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mouse keyboard broken after upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.2
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:14:27PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Erik Hahn wrote: I just upgraded xorg-server to 1.5.2 and ati-drivers tp 8.522-r2. Now keyboard and mouse don't work in X Pay attention to what the xorg-server ebuild tells you. It even beeps like crazy to get your attention. It tells you exactly what to do if those drivers stop working. If you had actually read my mail you knew that I did rebuild all drivers, as the ebuild told me. In addition, there aren't any module mismatch errors in the Xorg.0.log, in fact there aren't any errors at all. -Erik -- v4sw5RUYhw2ln3pr5ck0ma2u7Lw3+2Xm0l6/7Gi2e2t3b6AKMen5+7a16s0Sr1p-8.12/-6.56g6OR pgpDtsObkM0y4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Mouse keyboard broken after upgrade to xorg-server-1.5.2
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:15:48PM +0100, Uwe wrote: On Tuesday 02 December 2008 18:02:37 Erik Hahn wrote: I just upgraded xorg-server to 1.5.2 and ati-drivers tp 8.522-r2. Now keyboard and mouse don't work in X - gpm, qingy and virtual terminals work fine however. Rebuilding the drivers didn't help I attach emerge --info output, this is my package.use entry for xorg-server: x11-base/xorg-serverdri -nptl -minimal xorg -Erik Hi If they are not configured in your xorg.conf-ServerLayout, then they can't work : It should look like this: Section ServerLayout Identifier aticonfig Layout Screen 0 aticonfig-Screen[0]-0 0 0 InputDevice Keyboard0 InputDevice Mouse0 EndSection That fixed it, thanks. Server 1.4 always worked without these entries. -Erik pgpV3Na1aiWvm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
This reminds me of the text/html debate. If you put links in the body and some guru that has the answer doesn't like links in the body, they may not read your post and you could be left without a answer for a while longer. Or worse yet, if it is some software that is rarely used, they may be the only one here that uses the software and has the answer. Well, I could do the same and erase any message with urls as footnotes, since I dislike them. So it's the same thing, reversed. Trashing emails just because they're not formatted as you like them is a highly idiotic thing to do. I don't like top-posting for example, but I do not trash top-posted mails -at worst, I explain the user why top-posting looks bad. I prefer html messages myself but a lot of people here don't like them so I send text. Some users even have filters that sends html to /dev/null which means they don't ever even get seen or read. This is something you may want to consider when you send something. I send text myself too usually (don't know when I'm using gmail from the web like now). However if I receive html mail, my mail client is set up to make it look like it's only text, so I don't really see the difference. Also, I have ran into tinyurl not working or if I look up a old post, it may have expired or something and the link goes nowhere. So guess what, I don't click on tinyurl stuff much. Good point. But again, while sending HTML mail to a non-HTML enabled mail client results in annoying garbage(*), or while top posting can make a long thread impossible to follow, there is no reason not to read even a loong URL in the text flow. So using footnotes is purely aestethical -and even if I agree it's more good-looking, it's much less practical for my personal usage. So I want an ecosystem with URLs in the text body, therefore I will use them :) This does not mean I drop mails formatted in the other way in the trashbin. This just means we live happily with the differences, and let natural selection select what fits more. (*)There is also to ponder the fact that I find quite amusing that someone is using a non-HTML-enabled mail client in 2008, and I would like to know about that. I don't like html mail myself, but *actively refusing* to deal with it , it's something escaping my comprehension. Thoughts to ponder. Surely, thanks. m.
Re: [gentoo-user] lanmap ebuild
Justin schrieb: Take a look into the INSTALL.txt. Is written there what to do and which deps are requiered. Additionally fill a ebuild request bug at b.g.o. Next saturday it is bugday, I will try to get time to solve it then. Here it is https://bugs.gentoo.org/249631 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] gnome-panel eats 350-400 MB
Is it normal? I'm on ~amd64.
Re: [gentoo-user] lanmap ebuild
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Justin wrote: Justin schrieb: Take a look into the INSTALL.txt. Is written there what to do and which deps are requiered. Additionally fill a ebuild request bug at b.g.o. Next saturday it is bugday, I will try to get time to solve it then. Here it is https://bugs.gentoo.org/249631 Oh geez! Sorry Justin. I didn't forget to submit the bug. I'm on the last week of final exams here in college. Today I had my last one. Was going to submit the bug probably tomorrow! :) But thanks a lot! Best regards, Saffi - -- Ricardo Saffi Marques http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/~saffi/ == Laboratory of System Administration and Security - LAS Institute of Computing - IC P.O. Box: 6176 University of Campinas - UNICAMP 13083-852, Campinas, SP, Brazil == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkk1k68ACgkQjUOIEC3P978sJgCfZiw7QvidP/YclM2HWKO+UC6b 3loAn1oOM1ElRktD1QY+PehLy5d/WdPM =95Hn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-panel eats 350-400 MB
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 22:10 +0300, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Is it normal? I'm on ~amd64. I don't know what is normal but my gnome-panel is using about 71MB virtual memory (16MB resident). Perhaps you've got a leaky panel applet?
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-panel eats 350-400 MB
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 23:05:13 Albert Hopkins wrote: On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 22:10 +0300, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Is it normal? I'm on ~amd64. I don't know what is normal but my gnome-panel is using about 71MB virtual memory (16MB resident). Perhaps you've got a leaky panel applet? Thanks, perhaps. Will try to remove this or that one and see...
Re: [gentoo-user] FAT/VFAT fs analyser ???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 02.12.2008 04:31: I have solved my little problem with a tool called fatsort. Just FYI, I have updated the ebuild in the bug tracker [1]. [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170425 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-panel eats 350-400 MB
on me, it aet 413.9 of virtual and 44.9 of resident.. Il giorno mar, 02/12/2008 alle 23.30 +0300, Andrew Gaydenko ha scritto: On Tuesday 02 December 2008 23:05:13 Albert Hopkins wrote: On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 22:10 +0300, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Is it normal? I'm on ~amd64. I don't know what is normal but my gnome-panel is using about 71MB virtual memory (16MB resident). Perhaps you've got a leaky panel applet? Thanks, perhaps. Will try to remove this or that one and see... signature.asc Description: Questa è una parte del messaggio firmata digitalmente
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
On 2 Dec 2008, at 11:33, brullo nulla wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/2 b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: May I ask why many people on MLs use to write links as footnotes instead that inside the mail text? I suspect it is some netiquette issue, but I can't find info on that and I find it mildly confusing. Because http://some- vvverrryy -long-link/some-page.html looks terrible too? Not to me. I am accustomed to see links inside of text in webpages, so there is nothing strange in what you posted. Since it seems only an aestethic preference, I'll continue to post links in-text when appropriate (tinyurl'ing long links possibly). It's not merely aesthetic, because a URL as long as the one above may not be clickable in the mail client. TinyURL should alleviate this problem, as long as the sender's client doesn't break lines in some stupid place. I'll use direct links inline when I'm talking about something directly technical and want to give an example: http://photography.stroller.uk.eu.org/Rum/large-20.html Usually I'll place it at the end of a sentence following a new line as above. I'm typically breaking my text into short paragraphs to make it more readable if the reader might be following my procedure step-by- step. I used to use TinyURL a lot, but I think - In the kind of email which is a little less technical, and which contains references in the context of longer paragraphs - I prefer footnotes. When the link is in the middle of a paragraph like this http://tinyurl.com/63en7z it tends to interrupt the reader disturb the flow of the text. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
brullo nulla wrote: I send text myself too usually (don't know when I'm using gmail from the web like now). However if I receive html mail, my mail client is set up to make it look like it's only text, so I don't really see the difference. Well apparently some people here use a client that can't do that or is not set up like yours. Some people here don't have a GUI at all from what I have read. It doesn't matter much to me. I just know what I was told here a long time ago. It helps to make it where everybody sort of does things the same way so that everybody helps everybody. If not, you could miss out on a few things. Surely, thanks. m. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
On 2 Dec 2008, at 12:25, Dale wrote: ... This reminds me of the text/html debate. If you put links in the body and some guru that has the answer doesn't like links in the body, they may not read your post and you could be left without a answer for a while longer. Or worse yet, if it is some software that is rarely used, they may be the only one here that uses the software and has the answer. I prefer html messages myself but a lot of people here don't like them so I send text. Some users even have filters that sends html to /dev/null which means they don't ever even get seen or read. This is something you may want to consider when you send something. I've been wondering for a while why no alternative has been proposed. HTML was originally considered poor because it wasted bandwidth, HTML messages being *at least* twice the size of the plain text, but often several times as large. I wonder if console-based mail-readers were late in adopting it for that reason, and it gained additional unpopularity amongst programmers the technorati as a consequence. Nowadays HTML is bad principally because it imposes fonts upon the reader. I know what size my monitor is at what size my mail program should render text. I have an HTML-capable mail reader have no objection to the HTML messages sent by Amazon Deep Discount, because they are clear readable - they have expensive design teams who clearly take a deal of time ensuring that. But a poster to the Openmoko mailing list a while back formatted his messages not only in a tasteful green which I'm sure he enjoyed a lot, but also in a tiny font which was unreadable on my screen. Undoubtedly it looked fine to him, but I don't know what resolution he was using - 800 x 600??? - because the characters were about 2mm high on my 20 @ 1600 x 1200. What I think would be ideal for email would be a very simple text markup which allows italics, underline, bold and strikethrough characters in addition to links. I'd love to be able to convey those kinds of emphasis to readers, and I'd also love to be able to use proper clickable links in the body of a text message, but at present I can't, because I don't think it's appropriate for me to impose 13- point Verdana on those who prefer Times or Courier in some other size. EDIT: I guess a text size +1 for headers would also be appropriate (+2, -1, -2), bullet points plus superscript and subscript. Clearly some hashing out would be appropriate, but ideally formatting should be minimal, so that even displayed as pain-text the formatting is not intrusive; EG: --strikethough--, /italics/, _underline_ c. I have also found that clients appear inconsistent about how they apply quoting to HTML messages. At least often if I reply to an HTML message and change it to plain text then the quoted message magically looses a level of quoting. Typically I change to plain-text like this because I've copied pasted a single sentence out of the quoted section and it comes out into my own paragraph as blue, the wrong size and an inconsistent font - this is another grip about HTML. Also, I have ran into tinyurl not working or if I look up a old post, it may have expired or something and the link goes nowhere. I'm surprised by this, and always assumed TinyURL kept their links forever. Are you sure it's not simply that the post is so old it points to a target page that no longer exists? It looks like TinyURL have the capacity for about 2,176,782,336 unique links before they need to add another digit after the slash.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
On 2 Dec 2008, at 13:13, Wolfgang Liebich wrote: ... My experience with NTFS is somewhat more balanced (maybe). In about 12 years I experienced one damaged NTFS instance. This was caused by a crash during an installation ... So my conclusion --- NTFS is not so easy to damage, but if you manage it, you're toast :-/ I'm not sure that your experience with NTFS _is_ more balanced - I've seen a number of PCs this year which fail booting into Windows (displaying the XP splashscreen before rebooting again in an unending cycle) which have been repaired using only chkdsk. Because the user liked to power his PC down at the wall - for energy- saving reasons or peace-of-mind over house-fires, I'm knackered if I know - and because it was taking too long to shutdown when he wanted to go to bed - I know one of these was unplugged whilst still shutting down, but surely not all of them were. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user][ot] mail links as footnotes
Stroller ha scritto: It's not merely aesthetic, because a URL as long as the one above may not be clickable in the mail client. TinyURL should alleviate this problem, as long as the sender's client doesn't break lines in some stupid place. Right. I'll use direct links inline when I'm talking about something directly technical and want to give an example: http://photography.stroller.uk.eu.org/Rum/large-20.html Usually I'll place it at the end of a sentence following a new line as above. I'm typically breaking my text into short paragraphs to make it more readable if the reader might be following my procedure step-by-step. I used to use TinyURL a lot, but I think - In the kind of email which is a little less technical, and which contains references in the context of longer paragraphs - I prefer footnotes. When the link is in the middle of a paragraph like this http://tinyurl.com/63en7z it tends to interrupt the reader disturb the flow of the text. That's very closely my own policy. Nice to know I'm not alone. :) m.
[gentoo-user] do we have the package ncurses-devel or something like that?
Hi, all. I've setup gentoo on my Vmware, everything's ok. Now I want to re-check my kernel config, #cd /usr/src/linux [Wed Dec 03, 11:38 AM] axdu@ linux$ make menuconfig *** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the *** required header files. *** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries. *** *** Install ncurses (ncurses-devel) and try again. *** make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/dochecklxdialog] Error 1 make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 I try to emerge ncurses-devel but emerge says: [Wed Dec 03, 11:40 AM] axdu@ linux$ sudo emerge ncurses-devel Calculating dependencies | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ncurses-devel. what's the problem with ncurses-devel? if there's no such thing in GENTOO_MIRRORS, where can I download the source? thanks in advance
Re: [gentoo-user] do we have the package ncurses-devel or something like that?
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Du Zhongdong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all. I've setup gentoo on my Vmware, everything's ok. Now I want to re-check my kernel config, #cd /usr/src/linux [Wed Dec 03, 11:38 AM] axdu@ linux$ make menuconfig *** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the *** required header files. *** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries. *** *** Install ncurses (ncurses-devel) and try again. *** make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/dochecklxdialog] Error 1 make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 I try to emerge ncurses-devel but emerge says: [Wed Dec 03, 11:40 AM] axdu@ linux$ sudo emerge ncurses-devel Calculating dependencies | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ncurses-devel. what's the problem with ncurses-devel? if there's no such thing in GENTOO_MIRRORS, where can I download the source? thanks in advance That message is a menuconfig error, it's not from gentoo, which is why the name is different. You just need to install sys-libs/ncurses.
[gentoo-user] Re: do we have the package ncurses-devel or something like that?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Du Zhongdong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've setup gentoo on my Vmware, everything's ok. Now I want to re-check my kernel config, #cd /usr/src/linux [Wed Dec 03, 11:38 AM] axdu@ linux$ make menuconfig *** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the *** required header files. *** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries. *** *** Install ncurses (ncurses-devel) and try again. *** make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/dochecklxdialog] Error 1 make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 I try to emerge ncurses-devel but emerge says: [Wed Dec 03, 11:40 AM] axdu@ linux$ sudo emerge ncurses-devel Calculating dependencies | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ncurses-devel. what's the problem with ncurses-devel? if there's no such thing in GENTOO_MIRRORS, where can I download the source? emerge ncurses -- »Q« Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
Re: [gentoo-user] do we have the package ncurses-devel or something like that?
On 11:43 Wed 03 Dec , Du Zhongdong wrote: [Wed Dec 03, 11:40 AM] axdu@ linux$ sudo emerge ncurses-devel Calculating dependencies | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ncurses-devel. Generally speaking, there is no packages like 'foo-devel' in gentoo. And a little suggestion: try to use eix to find the exact package name in gentoo. emerge eix update-eix eix ncurses If you need to find package name from file name, try e-file: http://li2z.cn/category/e-file/ Zhang, Le
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-panel eats 350-400 MB
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 23:38 +0100, Michele Schiavo wrote: on me, it aet 413.9 of virtual and 44.9 of resident.. Ok, here's is what I found. Both my 32-bit GNOME boxes show about 70-80MB VIRT for gnome-panel. My x64 box shows 303MB. Moreover, top shows the following top memory munchers: Process VIRT RES - epiphany747MB 104MB pidgin 502MB47MB evolution 597MB43MB nautilus483MB41MB gnome-panel 303MB32MB --- Total 2632MB 267MB However free shows only 643MB in total used (including buffers/cache) with no swap. According to the top man page VIRT = SWAP + RES, but obviously that doesn't add up. But the RES for gnome-panel is similar on both my 32- and 64-bit machines. So I'm guessing something on the 64bit machines is getting reported/translated differently. Maybe someone smarter than me can comment on this.
Re: [gentoo-user] do we have the package ncurses-devel or something like that?
Thanks, all I already have sys-libs/ncurses installed on my gentoo, and, the real problem is: the Linux kernel source-tree's owner is root, and I ran make menuconfig as my normal user. a silly mistake. thanks anyway On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Du Zhongdong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all. I've setup gentoo on my Vmware, everything's ok. Now I want to re-check my kernel config, #cd /usr/src/linux [Wed Dec 03, 11:38 AM] axdu@ linux$ make menuconfig *** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the *** required header files. *** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries. *** *** Install ncurses (ncurses-devel) and try again. *** make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/dochecklxdialog] Error 1 make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 I try to emerge ncurses-devel but emerge says: [Wed Dec 03, 11:40 AM] axdu@ linux$ sudo emerge ncurses-devel Calculating dependencies | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ncurses-devel. what's the problem with ncurses-devel? if there's no such thing in GENTOO_MIRRORS, where can I download the source? thanks in advance That message is a menuconfig error, it's not from gentoo, which is why the name is different. You just need to install sys-libs/ncurses.
