Re: [gentoo-user] Re: State of Radeon drivers
If you are going to use any *nix, nvidia is the best option for years now. The nvidia closed source drivers are of professional quality and have great performance. Actually they are the *standard* for graphics in *nix, and many (professional or not) applications actually support only nvidia. The ati oss driver is still under development, sometimes it works ok, sometimes not, and it is mostly for basic desktop usage and in my opinion it is progressing too slow. Anyway, I don't like having a driver that uses 10% of my hardware's capabilties. So until it actually reaches 100% (like the rest of the linux drivers) I can't recommend ATI on linux and nvidia is the way to go. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Am 26.07.2010 01:01, schrieb James: Florian Philipp lists at f_philipp.fastmail.net writes: I have a quick question: I plan to buy a notebook with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250. How well would that one work? Can I reasonably expect Suspend2Ram, 3d acceleration etc to work stable? Well, lots of good information previously posted. Here's a few more tidbits. When ATI video get's older, there's always good opensource solutions to keep using it. Nvidia, sometimes you toss in garbage can, or use vesa or get lucky? Dunno, as I personally avoid Nvidia; other insist on Nvidia. kinda a religious thing with some. Hehe, religious is the right word. I remember a situation at my workplace: The admin of our departement IT ordered a Linux workstation with (fully supported) ATI graphics. At the last second he was overruled by the head of our institute's IT in favor of a completely unsupported and more expensive NVidia card. Not only did the poor guy have to wait two more weeks for the shipment to arrive, he was also stuck with the VESA driver for half a year and unstable NVidia drivers ever since. Well, thanks everyone who answered! Problem solved. Florian Philipp
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: Update of mozilla products (firefox, thunderbird, seamonkey) gone bad...
On 2010-07-26 17:07, Alex Schuster wrote: Good luck. I have tried the radeon driver from time to time, but never had any real success with it. Well, it is working now on one machine, but I need TV-Out, and I have temporarily given up on finding out what's wrong there, and stick to old kernel, old X and old ati-drivers that still support this old card. On my main computer, radeon drivers get better and better. That is, X now starts, it even does 3D acceleration now, but it crashes when I move the mouse pointer onto the KDE4 panel. Ok, good to know. Thanks to all who replied! Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: State of Radeon drivers
That's great so long as nVidia supports your card. The problem with the binary drivers is that they typically only support a percentage of all the cards the video maker makes. For example, I can't use the ATI binary driver on my laptop since it no longer supports the R250 chipset, only their latest 3 or 4 generations of cards. So I have to use the OSS driver, which works great with it. I have been able to use both the OSS and proprietary drivers on my desktop with an nVidia card, but I don't know how much longer that will last. nVidia's proprietary driver is good namely because it is the same at the core as on Windows and Mac, and they wrap it to make it work with the *nix kernels. However, they also do a lot of other funky stuff and keep people from being able to fully use the full extend of X. Just search this list (among others) for xRanderer and other components of X and you'll see the full story of nVidia's proprietary driver. Ben From: App Deb appde...@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 5:29:10 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: State of Radeon drivers If you are going to use any *nix, nvidia is the best option for years now. The nvidia closed source drivers are of professional quality and have great performance. Actually they are the *standard* for graphics in *nix, and many (professional or not) applications actually support only nvidia. The ati oss driver is still under development, sometimes it works ok, sometimes not, and it is mostly for basic desktop usage and in my opinion it is progressing too slow. Anyway, I don't like having a driver that uses 10% of my hardware's capabilties. So until it actually reaches 100% (like the rest of the linux drivers) I can't recommend ATI on linux and nvidia is the way to go. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Am 26.07.2010 01:01, schrieb James: Florian Philipp lists at f_philipp.fastmail.net writes: I have a quick question: I plan to buy a notebook with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250. How well would that one work? Can I reasonably expect Suspend2Ram, 3d acceleration etc to work stable? Well, lots of good information previously posted. Here's a few more tidbits. When ATI video get's older, there's always good opensource solutions to keep using it. Nvidia, sometimes you toss in garbage can, or use vesa or get lucky? Dunno, as I personally avoid Nvidia; other insist on Nvidia. kinda a religious thing with some. Hehe, religious is the right word. I remember a situation at my workplace: The admin of our departement IT ordered a Linux workstation with (fully supported) ATI graphics. At the last second he was overruled by the head of our institute's IT in favor of a completely unsupported and more expensive NVidia card. Not only did the poor guy have to wait two more weeks for the shipment to arrive, he was also stuck with the VESA driver for half a year and unstable NVidia drivers ever since. Well, thanks everyone who answered! Problem solved. Florian Philipp
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: State of Radeon drivers
Nvidia's binary can't be compared to ATI's one. The problems you describe are ATI-binary specific. And yes the nvidia binary replaces a lot of Xorg stuff, but after some time you will realise that this is a good thing, as the Xorg is a mess, breaks with updates, and introduces bugs with each release. And because developers know that, they always prepare their software for nvidia, as it is the only *serious* graphics solution for *nix right now. Don't get me wrong, I don't even have an nvidia card in my systems right now (cause ATI are superior in windows, all my systems have ATI), but I miss the times that I had one. So much more stuff worked without problems and with better performance. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:42 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: That's great so long as nVidia supports your card. The problem with the binary drivers is that they typically only support a percentage of all the cards the video maker makes. For example, I can't use the ATI binary driver on my laptop since it no longer supports the R250 chipset, only their latest 3 or 4 generations of cards. So I have to use the OSS driver, which works great with it. I have been able to use both the OSS and proprietary drivers on my desktop with an nVidia card, but I don't know how much longer that will last. nVidia's proprietary driver is good namely because it is the same at the core as on Windows and Mac, and they wrap it to make it work with the *nix kernels. However, they also do a lot of other funky stuff and keep people from being able to fully use the full extend of X. Just search this list (among others) for xRanderer and other components of X and you'll see the full story of nVidia's proprietary driver. Ben *From:* App Deb appde...@gmail.com *To:* gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org *Sent:* Tue, July 27, 2010 5:29:10 AM *Subject:* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: State of Radeon drivers If you are going to use any *nix, nvidia is the best option for years now. The nvidia closed source drivers are of professional quality and have great performance. Actually they are the *standard* for graphics in *nix, and many (professional or not) applications actually support only nvidia. The ati oss driver is still under development, sometimes it works ok, sometimes not, and it is mostly for basic desktop usage and in my opinion it is progressing too slow. Anyway, I don't like having a driver that uses 10% of my hardware's capabilties. So until it actually reaches 100% (like the rest of the linux drivers) I can't recommend ATI on linux and nvidia is the way to go. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Am 26.07.2010 01:01, schrieb James: Florian Philipp lists at f_philipp.fastmail.net writes: I have a quick question: I plan to buy a notebook with an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250. How well would that one work? Can I reasonably expect Suspend2Ram, 3d acceleration etc to work stable? Well, lots of good information previously posted. Here's a few more tidbits. When ATI video get's older, there's always good opensource solutions to keep using it. Nvidia, sometimes you toss in garbage can, or use vesa or get lucky? Dunno, as I personally avoid Nvidia; other insist on Nvidia. kinda a religious thing with some. Hehe, religious is the right word. I remember a situation at my workplace: The admin of our departement IT ordered a Linux workstation with (fully supported) ATI graphics. At the last second he was overruled by the head of our institute's IT in favor of a completely unsupported and more expensive NVidia card. Not only did the poor guy have to wait two more weeks for the shipment to arrive, he was also stuck with the VESA driver for half a year and unstable NVidia drivers ever since. Well, thanks everyone who answered! Problem solved. Florian Philipp
[gentoo-user] how to remove HAL
Hi All, As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any other devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE=-hal in /etc/make.conf ,and recompile the packages, and also modify /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD=no ，exec rc-update del hal default .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in the list still has a hal package, I don't know why system sitll emerge hal? maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and check packages which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions? best regards, samnew
Re: [gentoo-user] how to remove HAL
On Wednesday 28 July 2010 04:44:23 sam new wrote: Hi All, As we know, HAL is not used by Xorg for output devices or any other devices,so I want to remove it completely,I set USE=-hal in /etc/make.conf ,and recompile the packages, and also modify /etc/conf.d/xdm with NEED_HALD=no ，exec rc-update del hal default .All things goes well ,yesterday,I use emerge to update my world ,in the list still has a hal package, I don't know why system sitll emerge hal? maybe dependence ，but I use 'equery d hal' and check packages which depend HAL ,have no idea ,any Suggestions? emerge -avuNDt world to get a tree view of dependencies. That will should just what is causing hal to be pulled in -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
