Re: [gentoo-user] Unity on Gentoo?
Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Okay the thing is, I don't like Ubuntu. So I don't want to install it on my system. Unity is kinda famous, want to try it on Gentoo. Can't find a package in `eix -sS unity', I'm missing something? I found this: http://forums-web1.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6688195.html?sid=6e4f6bc4793676f8fb298d2406f81d2a#6688195 It may be doable but I can't find it if it is. You may want to check into Gnome 3. It may be closer to what you want. That is mentioned in the link above too. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Unity on Gentoo?
Hi! As I know Unity is a cannonical thing, not a gnome or ubuntu issue. I even wouldn't wonder if that application is closed source that is destributed only through the apt cannonical package mirror APT list. Tamer Am 24.09.2011 09:31, schrieb Dale: Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Okay the thing is, I don't like Ubuntu. So I don't want to install it on my system. Unity is kinda famous, want to try it on Gentoo. Can't find a package in `eix -sS unity', I'm missing something? I found this: http://forums-web1.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6688195.html?sid=6e4f6bc4793676f8fb298d2406f81d2a#6688195 It may be doable but I can't find it if it is. You may want to check into Gnome 3. It may be closer to what you want. That is mentioned in the link above too. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mplayer(2) ???
On Friday 23 Sep 2011 21:26:56 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/23/2011 12:54 AM, Mick wrote: On Thursday 22 Sep 2011 09:15:42 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 09/22/2011 12:58 AM, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 21 Sep 2011 09:19:39 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Does mplayer2 work with smplayer or kmplayer? I use mplayer2 with smplayer for a few month now and everything works just fine for me. Any idea when ffmpeg-mt might make it to the main portage tree? It's already in the tree. Both ffmpeg as well as libav now have it. Sorry I can't see a USE flag or ffmpeg-mt package in portage: $ eix -l ffmpeg | grep mt $ or are you saying that the code has been merged in the vanilla ffmpeg and libav without the need for a USE flag? ffmpeg-mt is not a package. It's the name of the git branch the code was in. That code was merged into the fmmpeg and libav projects. That means that ffmpeg and libav now do multi-threading. Yes, I didn't understand this initially. Thanks. :-) Furthermore, the threads USE flag does *not* control this. You get multi-threading regardless of that flag. threads only controls another type of multi-threading that was there since a long time now, but doesn't perform well. Yes, that's how I remembered this, posix compatible threads (pthreads - since 2004 or so IIRC). However, my experience with USE=threads which I just switched on to test it, is the opposite: The video rendering in mplayer is sharper and the picture therefore shows greater definition. Not much, but enough for me to notice a clearer image. The impact of threads on the CPU is not noticeable. It would split decoding of each frame into multiple threads, and the CPU cores would not start decoding again until the whole frame was finished. The speed-up you get by this is minimal. Real multithreading, meaning the code from the ffmpeg-mt branch which allows every CPU core to fully decode its own video frame, cannot be controlled by a USE flag. To verify if multi-threading works for you, simply play an h264 video file in mplayer2 (using -lavdopts threads=N, where N is the number of CPU cores in your system) and use something like top or htop to check CPU load of each core. I've removed USE=threads and emerged mplayer2. Multithreading works fine (5 threads are shown in top with 4 CPUs and threads=4). However, the quality of the video is inferior to vanilla mplayer and USE=threads enabled ... o_O -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: google search results (was: Modifying LiveCDs)
On Friday 23 Sep 2011 17:02:03 Mick wrote: On Friday 23 Sep 2011 15:48:29 Jonas de Buhr wrote: This is because Google uses geo-targeting to determine what results you may be interested in (assuming your geo-location from your IP address), and are you sure google uses ip geo-location? the results change a lot if you just change the TLD or hl= Yes it does. When you change the www.google.TLD you 'force' it to give you the results from the specific TLD location. The results can change a lot if location is relevant. BTW, the hl= just specifies the 'host language' of your browser. Of course if you have set this to e.g. French, then (I think) that the results will be listed with priority given to French sites if any are found. To obtain location specific results you can also use Google's advanced search: http://www.google.com/advanced_search and click to expand the link named Date, usage rights, region, and more where you can choose a preferred country from the dropdown menu for 'Region'. HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Optimising apache on a single core 32bit machine with hyperthreading
If I haven't enabled USE= apache2_mpms_prefork and apache2_mpms_worker, how does apache behave with regards to threading responses? This question is for a box with an Intel P4 single core cpu: # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 3 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz stepping: 4 cpu MHz : 3401.107 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr bogomips: 6802.21 clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 128 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual power management: processor : 1 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 3 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz stepping: 4 cpu MHz : 3401.107 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings: 2 core id : 0 cpu cores : 1 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr bogomips: 6800.63 clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 128 address sizes : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual power management: -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Optimising apache on a single core 32bit machine with hyperthreading
Am 24.09.2011 11:32, schrieb Mick: If I haven't enabled USE= apache2_mpms_prefork and apache2_mpms_worker, how does apache behave with regards to threading responses? [...] If you have neither enabled, the ebuild (apache-2 eclass, to be specific) chooses one of them based on USE=threads. Enabled=worker, disabled=prefork. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Optimising apache on a single core 32bit machine with hyperthreading
On Saturday 24 Sep 2011 11:12:48 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 24.09.2011 11:32, schrieb Mick: If I haven't enabled USE= apache2_mpms_prefork and apache2_mpms_worker, how does apache behave with regards to threading responses? [...] If you have neither enabled, the ebuild (apache-2 eclass, to be specific) chooses one of them based on USE=threads. Enabled=worker, disabled=prefork. Thanks, I have threads unset globally so from what you're saying apache must be running in preforked mode. I thought that I would need to define explicitely USE=apache2_mpms_prefork and enable or configure this in the apache modules (I couldn't find any configurations related to preforked when I looked). I'm trying to troubleshoot why a dev't machine that also runs a KDE desktop continues to freeze after a few hours of heavy usage (and repeated reloading of web pages for testing). It usually unlocks itself if left alone over a coffee break - say after 5 -15 minutes depending on how many desktop apps are running at the time. I don't think it is apache that causes it (I'm suspecting KDE of course ;p ), but it may be one of the things that contributes to it. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Unity on Gentoo?
On 24 September 2011, at 06:53, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Okay the thing is, I don't like Ubuntu. So I don't want to install it on my system. Unity is kinda famous, want to try it on Gentoo. Can't find a package in `eix -sS unity', I'm missing something? It's available for Arch Fedora. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)#Availability Might be worth taking a look at their packages and seeing if it can lead you to the source. Or you could ask these guys how you can get source: http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/knhkf/i_get_paid_to_develop_unity_and_now_you_guys_all/ It's remarkable how non-obvious the source is if you look at http://unity.ubuntu.com/ Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on a Macbook Air
I don't have a Macbook Air, but I have two iMac desktops and one macbook pro laptop. The two imacs run Gentoo without any problems. I installed refit to switch between Gentoo and osx. For the laptop, I had trouble booting from the installation cd. A few days ago someone on this list suggested that I run Gentoo within a virtual machine running on osx. This turned out to be a very good solution, since it is very easy and works perfectly (I do have a small network problem, but not serious), and allows me to use the Mac software as well. I use virtualbox for the VM software. Best, Moshe Thanks Moshe. Maybe the best thing for me to do is just install Gentoo on the thing and see what happens. Restoring OSX should be easy with the included USB key. I think that's the best way to figure out if there are any quirks. Just follow the regular install method, right? Yes, except you should install refit (http://refit.sf.net) first. refit is a boot loader for mac. Maybe there is a way to avoid it, but installing refit is very easy, and I had no problems with it. Also, I was planning in advance to make the computers dual boot, so I partitioned accordingly. If you have just one partition, I think it is best to re-partition using osx. Best, Moshe Thanks for your help with this guys. I've finally convinced her to return the Macbook Air. My life just got easier. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Unity on Gentoo?
On 24 September 2011 06:53, Nilesh Govindarajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: Unity is kinda famous, want to try it on Gentoo. Can't find a package in `eix -sS unity', I'm missing something? What you're missing is the experience of having used it. (Or having *tried* to use it). Once you have, you will see why no one is enthusiastic enough to write an ebuild and support it in gentoo (or an overlay). I'm just glad that Ubuntu still ships with vanilla Gnome (or Ubuntu Classic) by default -- I maintain a few Ubuntu systems for members of my family. J
Re: [gentoo-user] Unity on Gentoo?
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 11:23 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Okay the thing is, I don't like Ubuntu. So I don't want to install it on my system. Unity is kinda famous, want to try it on Gentoo. Can't find a package in `eix -sS unity', I'm missing something? I'm sure *when* there is enough interest, and when I say interest I mean interest by those who are willing to contribute and not those who just sit on the sidelines waiting for someone else to do it, then it will find its way in an overlay and maybe even into the official tree. When I'm not convinced of, however, is that there will be enough interest.
[gentoo-user] Editing the open with dialog of PCMANFM
Hi everybody. I use PcManFM, its just perfect for everything but i wanna edit the options that appear in the open with sub-menu when i right click some file. For example, if I right click an image, it appears GIMP, Gpicview and like six times Wine core, for some reason. So i wanna fix that. How? ^_^ Thanks in advance. -- Alex Barrios - Piensa como una persona de acción, y actúa como una persona que piensa. - Twitter http://twitter.com/alexbariv GPG Pub 0D843DCB Linux User 383172 Descubre! Disfruta! Comparte! openSUSE Linux.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on a Macbook Air
On Saturday 24 Sep 2011 17:30:54 Grant wrote: I don't have a Macbook Air, but I have two iMac desktops and one macbook pro laptop. The two imacs run Gentoo without any problems. I installed refit to switch between Gentoo and osx. For the laptop, I had trouble booting from the installation cd. A few days ago someone on this list suggested that I run Gentoo within a virtual machine running on osx. This turned out to be a very good solution, since it is very easy and works perfectly (I do have a small network problem, but not serious), and allows me to use the Mac software as well. I use virtualbox for the VM software. Best, Moshe Thanks Moshe. Maybe the best thing for me to do is just install Gentoo on the thing and see what happens. Restoring OSX should be easy with the included USB key. I think that's the best way to figure out if there are any quirks. Just follow the regular install method, right? Yes, except you should install refit (http://refit.sf.net) first. refit is a boot loader for mac. Maybe there is a way to avoid it, but installing refit is very easy, and I had no problems with it. Also, I was planning in advance to make the computers dual boot, so I partitioned accordingly. If you have just one partition, I think it is best to re-partition using osx. Best, Moshe Thanks for your help with this guys. I've finally convinced her to return the Macbook Air. My life just got easier. You can always install Hackintosh or similar in a VM if she's pining for an applemac. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Unity on Gentoo?
On 24 September 2011 12:33, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 September 2011 06:53, Nilesh Govindarajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: Unity is kinda famous, want to try it on Gentoo. Can't find a package in `eix -sS unity', I'm missing something? What you're missing is the experience of having used it. (Or having *tried* to use it). Once you have, you will see why no one is enthusiastic enough to write an ebuild and support it in gentoo (or an overlay). I'm just glad that Ubuntu still ships with vanilla Gnome (or Ubuntu Classic) by default -- I maintain a few Ubuntu systems for members of my family. J Just my opinion here, but i've used both Unity and gnome-shell and a *MUCH* prefer Unity (IMO, I could live with Unity if GNOME2 ever went away, i know i couldn't live with gnome-shell). It seems to have a more well thought-out interface, it's getting massive improvements and it's really sane and non-obtrusive (compared to gnome-shell, I still prefer a traditional desktop experience).
[gentoo-user] kde4: no hardware info without sys-apps/hal
Now that hal is out of he portage tree and uninstalled, I've noticed that the following occur: 1) no battery info (and other ACPI doesn't fare well too) 2) Suspend key is broken; must use $sudo pm-suspend instead 3) USB hotplug is broken; device notifier is oblivious to inserted/removed USB devices Solutions? -- 001100 Andrey m05hbear Vul 010010 00 andrey at moshbear dot net 11 andrey dot vul at gmail 101101 110011
Re: [gentoo-user] kde4: no hardware info without sys-apps/hal
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Andrey Moshbear andrey@gmail.com wrote: Now that hal is out of he portage tree and uninstalled, I've noticed that the following occur: 1) no battery info (and other ACPI doesn't fare well too) 2) Suspend key is broken; must use $sudo pm-suspend instead 3) USB hotplug is broken; device notifier is oblivious to inserted/removed USB devices Solutions? Not sure about the root causes or potential solutions but both #1 #3 do work here. I do have CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y in my kernel. Not sure what it's doing anymore but it's there. I do have most of ACPI either on or modular. udev is started as part of sysinit. Not at all sure whatever might be involved. HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] kde4: no hardware info without sys-apps/hal
Now that hal is out of he portage tree and uninstalled, I've noticed that the following occur: 1) no battery info (and other ACPI doesn't fare well too) 2) Suspend key is broken; must use $sudo pm-suspend instead 3) USB hotplug is broken; device notifier is oblivious to inserted/removed USB devices Solutions? I have the same problem with my fresh xfce install (I installed gentoo yesterday): no battery info, usb hotplug seems not to work. I've been messing around all day long, but I wasn't able to figure out: my kernel is compiled with the right things enabled, udev is ok, everything is ok. Maybe I'm missing something, but my idea is that it has got to do with the absence of hal.
[gentoo-user] Re: kde4: no hardware info without sys-apps/hal
On 09/24/2011 09:43 PM, Andrey Moshbear wrote: Now that hal is out of he portage tree and uninstalled, I've noticed that the following occur: 1) no battery info (and other ACPI doesn't fare well too) 2) Suspend key is broken; must use $sudo pm-suspend instead 3) USB hotplug is broken; device notifier is oblivious to inserted/removed USB devices Solutions? Do you have udev if your USE flags in make.conf?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kde4: no hardware info without sys-apps/hal
001100 Andrey m05hbear Vul 010010 00 andrey at moshbear dot net 11 andrey dot vul at gmail 101101 4163039923 110011 Today's quote: [ ] Obsolete code offends me. [ ] Be aware of [ ] Murphy's, [ ] Muphry's Law. [ ] Use [ ] Occam's, [ ] Hanlon's razor. [ ] Greenspun's Tenth Rule. [ ] Sturgeon's Law, [ ] Pareto principle. [ ] RTFM, [ ] RTF[__] [ ] [___] On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 15:38, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 09/24/2011 09:43 PM, Andrey Moshbear wrote: Now that hal is out of he portage tree and uninstalled, I've noticed that the following occur: 1) no battery info (and other ACPI doesn't fare well too) 2) Suspend key is broken; must use $sudo pm-suspend instead 3) USB hotplug is broken; device notifier is oblivious to inserted/removed USB devices Solutions? Do you have udev if your USE flags in make.conf? While I did forget to include the output of emerge --info, udev is indeed in USE. Here is the full output: Portage 2.2.0_alpha54 (default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop, gcc-4.4.5, glibc-2.13-r4, 2.6.33-pf4 x86_64) = System uname: Linux-2.6.33-pf4-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-2_Duo_CPU_T9400_@_2.53GHz-with-gentoo-2.0.3 Timestamp of tree: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:00:01 + ccache version 3.1.3 [enabled] app-shells/bash: 4.2_p10 dev-java/java-config: 2.1.11-r3 dev-lang/python: 2.6.6-r1, 2.7.2-r2, 3.1.3-r1, 3.2-r2 dev-util/ccache: 3.1.3 dev-util/cmake: 2.8.5-r2 dev-util/pkgconfig: 0.26 sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.3 sys-apps/openrc: 0.9.2 sys-apps/sandbox: 2.5 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.68 sys-devel/automake: 1.5-r1, 1.6.3-r1, 1.8.5-r4, 1.9.6-r3, 1.10.3, 1.11.1-r1 sys-devel/binutils: 2.21.1-r1 sys-devel/gcc:4.4.5, 4.5.3-r1 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1-r1 sys-devel/libtool:2.4-r1 sys-devel/make: 3.82-r1 sys-kernel/linux-headers: 2.6.39 (virtual/os-headers) sys-libs/glibc: 2.13-r4 Repositories: gentoo sunrise x11 proaudio desktop-effects multimedia kde-sunset games roslin dev-zero lxde stuge wolf31o2 pd-overlay moshbear-patched(wine and rtorrent patches; not in o.g.o) Installed sets: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=amd64 ~amd64 ACCEPT_LICENSE=* CBUILD=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -march=core2 -ggdb CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/config /usr/share/gnupg/qualified.txt /var/lib/hsqldb CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/php/apache2-php5.3/ext-active/ /etc/php/cgi-php5.3/ext-active/ /etc/php/cli-php5.3/ext-active/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/splash /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/language.dat.d /etc/texmf/language.def.d /etc/texmf/updmap.d /etc/texmf/web2c CXXFLAGS=-O2 -pipe -march=core2 -ggdb DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=assume-digests binpkg-logs ccache distlocks ebuild-locks fixlafiles fixpackages news nostrip parallel-fetch preserve-libs protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch FFLAGS= GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://mirrors.cs.wmich.edu/gentoo http://gentoo.netnitco.net ftp://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo ftp://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/ ftp://chi-10g-1-mirror.fastsoft.net/pub/linux/gentoo/gentoo-distfiles/ http://mirror.the-best-hosting.net http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gentoo-distfiles/ http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/ ftp://gentoo.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/gentoo/ ftp://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/ ftp://gentoo.netnitco.net/pub/mirrors/gentoo/source/ ftp://lug.mtu.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/gentoo/; LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_ALL=en_CA.UTF-8 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed LINGUAS=en ru MAKEOPTS=-j6 PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT=/ PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/var/lib/layman/sunrise /var/lib/layman/x11 /var/lib/layman/pro-audio /var/lib/layman/desktop-effects /var/lib/layman/multimedia /var/lib/layman/kde-sunset /var/lib/layman/games /var/lib/layman/roslin /var/lib/layman/dev-zero /var/lib/layman/lxde /var/lib/layman/stuge /var/lib/layman/wolf31o2 /var/lib/layman/pd-overlay /var/lib/layman/moshbear-patched SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=3ds X a52 aac aalib acl acpi ads aften allegro alsa amd64 amr ao apache2 api aspell audio audiofile automap autotrace avahi bash-completion bcel bcmath bdf berkdb bidi
Re: [gentoo-user] Unity on Gentoo?
On Sat 24 Sep 2011 11:15:43 PM IST, JD Horelick wrote: On 24 September 2011 12:33, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 September 2011 06:53, Nilesh Govindarajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: Unity is kinda famous, want to try it on Gentoo. Can't find a package in `eix -sS unity', I'm missing something? What you're missing is the experience of having used it. (Or having *tried* to use it). Once you have, you will see why no one is enthusiastic enough to write an ebuild and support it in gentoo (or an overlay). I'm just glad that Ubuntu still ships with vanilla Gnome (or Ubuntu Classic) by default -- I maintain a few Ubuntu systems for members of my family. J It's stunning to know that something that's shipped by default with Ubuntu sucks so much? Canonical surely must have gone haywire. Just my opinion here, but i've used both Unity and gnome-shell and a *MUCH* prefer Unity (IMO, I could live with Unity if GNOME2 ever went away, i know i couldn't live with gnome-shell). It seems to have a more well thought-out interface, it's getting massive improvements and it's really sane and non-obtrusive (compared to gnome-shell, I still prefer a traditional desktop experience). I don't like gnome-shell either, tried it on Fedora Live. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
