[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?

[Blackdream W]

We called "飞天豹补丁”

在 2011年11月7日 下午2:27，Lavender 写道：

> 在 2011-11-07 13:10:16，microcai  写道：
>
> >
> >show 可以，有内核级别的中文补丁。
> >
> >要 write 的话可以使用 zhcon 或者 fbterm 配合 ibus-fbterm
> >
> 其实我只要show就可以了，补丁叫啥名字，是不是直接安装就行了？
> PS：原来这里还有Chinese啊，平时都不见冒泡。
>
>
>


-- 
*Ben.Wong*

Re:Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?

[Lavender]

在 2011-11-07 13:10:16，microcai  写道：
>
>show 可以，有内核级别的中文补丁。
>
>要 write 的话可以使用 zhcon 或者 fbterm 配合 ibus-fbterm
>
其实我只要show就可以了，补丁叫啥名字，是不是直接安装就行了？
PS：原来这里还有Chinese啊，平时都不见冒泡。

Re: [gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?

[microcai]

show 可以，有内核级别的中文补丁。

要 write 的话可以使用 zhcon 或者 fbterm 配合 ibus-fbterm



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Re: Re:[gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?

[bill.longman]

On Nov 6, 2011 8:01 PM, Lavender  wrote: Lavender,You should look into changing your locale, as a start. You can start herehttp://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xmlbut for chinese you will also need to choose a console font that displays double byte.


在 2011-11-07 11:20:04，"aca.jingru"  写道：

zhcon
 


aca.jingru
 
Someone told me that zhcon is not stable, it may result in system crash.
I think safe method may be needed.

Re:[gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?

[Lavender]

在 2011-11-07 11:20:04，"aca.jingru"  写道：

zhcon
 
aca.jingru
 
Someone told me that zhcon is not stable, it may result in system crash.
I think safe method may be needed.

[gentoo-user] 回复: [gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?

[aca . jingru]

zhcon




aca.jingru

发件人： Lavender
发送时间： 2011-11-07 11:13
收件人： gentoo-user
主题： [gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?
As the subject shows, I want to show Chinese on console.
Even if it is possible I also wish to write Chinese on console.
I'm not very clear about how to manipulate it. Appreciate to 
any help, thank you !

[gentoo-user] How to show Chinese or write Chinese on console ?

[Lavender]

As the subject shows, I want to show Chinese on console.
Even if it is possible I also wish to write Chinese on console.
I'm not very clear about how to manipulate it. Appreciate to
any help, thank you !

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Do open drivers use different GPU abilities?

[Grant]

 Does anyone know if open-source video drivers like radeon use the
 different GPU's in different cards differently?  Maybe not and there
 is just a flat identical acceleration for all of the radeon cards?
>>>
>>> The GPUs are different, so yes, the driver needs to handle them
>>> differently.
>>
>> So some perform better than others even with the open-source drivers?
>
> Yes.  Though the differences should not be as extreme as with the Catalyst
> driver, since the open drivers don't use the GPU very effectively.

Got it, thanks guys.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Any experience with RhodeCode?

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 11/06/2011 06:49 PM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> 
> On Nov 4, 2011 10:17 PM, "Michael Orlitzky"  > wrote:
>>
>> On 11/04/2011 11:00 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>> > I'm looking for a nice, lightweight way to implement a Mercurial server.
>> > Somehow, installing a heavyweight webserver just for Mercurial seems
>> > so... wasteful.
>>
>> If it's not for public use, you can clone/pull/whatever over SSH.
>>
> 
> That's news to me... so I don't have to install a Mercurial server at all?
> 

Nope.

  $ hg help urls
  URL Paths

Valid URLs are of the form:

  local/filesystem/path[#revision]
  file://local/filesystem/path[#revision]
  http://[user[:pass]@]host[:port]/[path][#revision]
  https://[user[:pass]@]host[:port]/[path][#revision]
  ssh://[user[:pass]@]host[:port]/[path][#revision]
  ...


There's a section in there about SSH URLs you'll probably want to read.
You need Mercurial installed on the server machine, and its path
handling is a little weird if you're used to another SCM.

Works fine without a web server, though.

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Pandu Poluan wrote:



On Nov 7, 2011 8:18 AM, "Pandu Poluan" > wrote:

>
>
> On Nov 7, 2011 8:03 AM, "Adam Carter" > wrote:

> >
> > > All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot 
and reset
> > > the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can 
still keep
> > > as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot 
the last two

> > > without modifying GRUB's config.
> >
> > Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still
> > doing all that manually...
> >
>
> Likewise. I only get the vmlinuz file when I do make install.
>
> Rgds,

Bah, tapped "Send" too quickly. After I do make install, I usually 
rename vmlinuz to vmlinuz-$(date +"%Y%m%d_%H%M%S"), and I have to add 
a menu entry for the latest kernel (not edit, so make install 
apparently didn't add the latest kernel into the grub menu).


Rgds,



Mine is like this:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4547936 Aug 22 03:53 /boot/bzImage-3.0.3-1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4548640 Sep  1 07:19 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5162752 Oct 12 21:49 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-2
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167840 Oct 13 00:05 /boot/bzImage-3.0.6-1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167776 Oct 19 02:14 /boot/bzImage-3.0.7-1


The last number is how many times it took to get a stable one.  
Sometimes it is one, sometimes two.  I would also like to see how make 
install does it nowadays.  Maybe worth another try.


Oh, I name the config files the same as the kernel too.  Am I OCD?  o_O

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Pandu Poluan]

On Nov 7, 2011 8:18 AM, "Pandu Poluan"  wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2011 8:03 AM, "Adam Carter"  wrote:
> >
> > > All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and
reset
> > > the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still
keep
> > > as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the
last two
> > > without modifying GRUB's config.
> >
> > Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still
> > doing all that manually...
> >
>
> Likewise. I only get the vmlinuz file when I do make install.
>
> Rgds,

Bah, tapped "Send" too quickly. After I do make install, I usually rename
vmlinuz to vmlinuz-$(date +"%Y%m%d_%H%M%S"), and I have to add a menu entry
for the latest kernel (not edit, so make install apparently didn't add the
latest kernel into the grub menu).

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Pandu Poluan]

On Nov 7, 2011 8:03 AM, "Adam Carter"  wrote:
>
> > All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset
> > the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still
keep
> > as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last
two
> > without modifying GRUB's config.
>
> Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still
> doing all that manually...
>

Likewise. I only get the vmlinuz file when I do make install.

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Adam Carter]

> All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset
> the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep
> as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two
> without modifying GRUB's config.

Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still
doing all that manually...

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0600, Dale wrote:

> > Or you could use make install and remove the possibility for
> > screw-ups. After all, you trust make to build and kernel, then build
> > and copy the entire module tree. Surely you can manage to trust it
> > with one more file :-O

> I did use it once but I didn't like the way it did it.  That could have 
> changed since then tho.  I'm also bad to keep several versions of older 
> kernels around too. I have had over a dozen on /boot before.  That's
> why my /boot is a 200 Mbs or so.  Sort of like this:

All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset
the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep
as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two
without modifying GRUB's config.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?


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Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Aljosha Papsch]

2011/11/7 Érico Porto :
> oh no, I don't think it is a bug.
> I mean, this is suposed to be open using some tool named mspdebug of some
> sorta: http://hackaday.com/2010/08/11/how-to-launchpad-programming-with-linux/
> But I know this chip is a usb to serial adapter, only the product Id is
> exchanged to be a Development Tool. To change the vendor and product id, I
> found a how-to here
> : http://www.brimson.com/downloads/ti_usb_multitech_release_notes-1.1.txt
> It doesn't seem to do nothing, but maybe I have to write some code on the
> msp before. I haven't used this board much, but it is the only thing I have
> to test now - I need to interface with   a gps chip, but I have no serials
> available, so later I plan to use this chip. I know I have loaded this as a
> serial long before...
> Érico V. Porto
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Aljosha Papsch 
> wrote:
>>
>> 2011/11/7 Érico Porto :
>> > Yeah, seem udev is the problem.
>> > I'm reading http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/
>> > It seems once this is done right, thing will work
>> > Thanks!
>> > (right now, it sees it as generic usb something...)
>> > Érico V. Porto
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Dale  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Érico Porto wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> so now the module is loadable through modprobe, it all makes with no
>> >>> errors.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's probably out of this topic, but shouldn't I see a ttyUSB or
>> >>> something like that in my /dev/ ?
>> >>>
>> >>> I tried using
>> >>>
>> >>> modprobe ti_usb_3410_5052 product=0451 vendor f432
>> >>>
>> >>> I just wanted to read the virtual usb serial out of a Texas launchpad
>> >>> board. This board uses the TUSB3410 chip. I'm asking about this in the
>> >>> texas
>> >>> forums too, just was surprised to see so many fast answers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Érico V. Porto
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I would think udev would create the device when it is connected or you
>> >> boot up, whichever comes first.  I have no knowledge on the device you
>> >> are
>> >> using but do on the kernel part.  If you load the module, udev should
>> >> then
>> >> see the device and create the file in /dev.  That's the theory anyway.
>> >>  You
>> >> can use udevadm monitor to see if udev sees it as it should.  You can
>> >> also
>> >> tail -f /var/log/messages to see what happens when you connect it or
>> >> look in
>> >> dmesg.  One or more of those should tell you what is not working.
>> >>
>> >> Dale
>> >>
>> >> :-)  :-)
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I'm also not familiar with your device, but some devices need to be
>> mode switched manually if they show up as something different. You can
>> use usb-modeswitch for that or some more convenient tool like sakis3g:
>> http://www.sakis3g.org/
>>
>> Btw: I'll report a bug in Gentoo's Bugzilla regarding your (and mine)
>> problem. Maybe others are affected too and this option can be switched
>> off at least for genkernel users.
>>
>
>

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough: I reported the bug, that installation of
the kernel will fail if FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is enabled. You can add you
to the list, if you want:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389775

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Érico Porto]

oh no, I don't think it is a bug.

I mean, this is suposed to be open using some tool named mspdebug of some
sorta:
http://hackaday.com/2010/08/11/how-to-launchpad-programming-with-linux/

But I know this chip is a usb to serial adapter, only the product Id is
exchanged to be a Development Tool. To change the vendor and product id, I
found a how-to here :
http://www.brimson.com/downloads/ti_usb_multitech_release_notes-1.1.txt

It doesn't seem to do nothing, but maybe I have to write some code on the
msp before. I haven't used this board much, but it is the only thing I have
to test now - I need to interface with   a gps chip, but I have no serials
available, so later I plan to use this chip. I know I have loaded this as a
serial long before...

Érico V. Porto


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Aljosha Papsch wrote:

> 2011/11/7 Érico Porto :
> > Yeah, seem udev is the problem.
> > I'm reading http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/
> > It seems once this is done right, thing will work
> > Thanks!
> > (right now, it sees it as generic usb something...)
> > Érico V. Porto
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Dale  wrote:
> >>
> >> Érico Porto wrote:
> >>>
> >>> so now the module is loadable through modprobe, it all makes with no
> >>> errors.
> >>>
> >>> It's probably out of this topic, but shouldn't I see a ttyUSB or
> >>> something like that in my /dev/ ?
> >>>
> >>> I tried using
> >>>
> >>> modprobe ti_usb_3410_5052 product=0451 vendor f432
> >>>
> >>> I just wanted to read the virtual usb serial out of a Texas launchpad
> >>> board. This board uses the TUSB3410 chip. I'm asking about this in the
> texas
> >>> forums too, just was surprised to see so many fast answers.
> >>>
> >>> Érico V. Porto
> >>>
> >>
> >> I would think udev would create the device when it is connected or you
> >> boot up, whichever comes first.  I have no knowledge on the device you
> are
> >> using but do on the kernel part.  If you load the module, udev should
> then
> >> see the device and create the file in /dev.  That's the theory anyway.
>  You
> >> can use udevadm monitor to see if udev sees it as it should.  You can
> also
> >> tail -f /var/log/messages to see what happens when you connect it or
> look in
> >> dmesg.  One or more of those should tell you what is not working.
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> >>
> >
> >
>
> I'm also not familiar with your device, but some devices need to be
> mode switched manually if they show up as something different. You can
> use usb-modeswitch for that or some more convenient tool like sakis3g:
> http://www.sakis3g.org/
>
> Btw: I'll report a bug in Gentoo's Bugzilla regarding your (and mine)
> problem. Maybe others are affected too and this option can be switched
> off at least for genkernel users.
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] laptop desktop serial connection don't work on one direction

[Jeremy McSpadden]

My question is why the hell would you want to connect it over serial? Try 
ethernet, its much faster.

--
Jeremy
On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:20 AM, Kfir Lavi wrote:

> Hi all, 
> I have a problem connecting my laptop to my server at home with a serial 
> cable. 
> I have cable end for /dev/ttyS0 and 2 cable ends for /dev/ttyUSB0. 
> This lets me test the connection between all serial outputs. 
> Desktop1-minicom <-> Desktop2-minicom
> works with all connections, i.e ttyUSB0 <-> ttyUSB0, or ttyS0 <-> ttyUSB0 and 
> viseversa. 
> So when connecting 2 desktop computers everything works as expected.
> 
> The problem:
> When I connect my laptop to any of those desktops, I get just one way 
> connection!
> If I swap the sides of the cable, the one way connection switch side.
> The laptop doesn't have ttyS0, so it have to be connected via ttyUSB0
> When I swap sides, it is just between two usb dongles. 
> 
> The usb dongles are PL2303 both sides. 
> Settings of minicom is 38400 8n1  Hardware Flow Control=OFF
> 
> Laptop setserial:
> setserial -a /dev/ttyUSB0 
> /dev/ttyUSB0, Line 0, UART: 16654, Port: 0x, IRQ: 0
> Baud_base: 460800, close_delay: 0, divisor: 0
> closing_wait: infinte
> Flags: spd_normal
> 
> Desktop1 setserial:
> setserial -a /dev/ttyS0 
> /dev/ttyS0, Line 0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
> Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
> closing_wait: 3000
> Flags: spd_normal skip_test
> 
> setserial -a /dev/ttyUSB0 
> /dev/ttyUSB0, Line 0, UART: 16654, Port: 0x, IRQ: 0
> Baud_base: 460800, close_delay: 0, divisor: 0
> closing_wait: infinte   
> Flags: spd_normal   
>
> I tried to add the skip_test but this seems to be not working.
> I'm not sure what to do next.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated, 
> Thanks,
> Kfir

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Aljosha Papsch]

2011/11/7 Érico Porto :
> Yeah, seem udev is the problem.
> I'm reading http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/
> It seems once this is done right, thing will work
> Thanks!
> (right now, it sees it as generic usb something...)
> Érico V. Porto
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Dale  wrote:
>>
>> Érico Porto wrote:
>>>
>>> so now the module is loadable through modprobe, it all makes with no
>>> errors.
>>>
>>> It's probably out of this topic, but shouldn't I see a ttyUSB or
>>> something like that in my /dev/ ?
>>>
>>> I tried using
>>>
>>> modprobe ti_usb_3410_5052 product=0451 vendor f432
>>>
>>> I just wanted to read the virtual usb serial out of a Texas launchpad
>>> board. This board uses the TUSB3410 chip. I'm asking about this in the texas
>>> forums too, just was surprised to see so many fast answers.
>>>
>>> Érico V. Porto
>>>
>>
>> I would think udev would create the device when it is connected or you
>> boot up, whichever comes first.  I have no knowledge on the device you are
>> using but do on the kernel part.  If you load the module, udev should then
>> see the device and create the file in /dev.  That's the theory anyway.  You
>> can use udevadm monitor to see if udev sees it as it should.  You can also
>> tail -f /var/log/messages to see what happens when you connect it or look in
>> dmesg.  One or more of those should tell you what is not working.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>
>

I'm also not familiar with your device, but some devices need to be
mode switched manually if they show up as something different. You can
use usb-modeswitch for that or some more convenient tool like sakis3g:
http://www.sakis3g.org/

Btw: I'll report a bug in Gentoo's Bugzilla regarding your (and mine)
problem. Maybe others are affected too and this option can be switched
off at least for genkernel users.

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Dale]

Érico Porto wrote:

Yeah, seem udev is the problem.

I'm reading http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/

It seems once this is done right, thing will work

Thanks!

(right now, it sees it as generic usb something...)

Érico V. Porto



You may be able to google around and find one someone else posted.  It 
may be a long shot but writing a udev rule that works could be a long 
shot too.  For me, it would be like hitting the moon with a sling shot.  
lol


If you do write one and it works well, send it to the udev folks and let 
them add it to their list.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Any experience with RhodeCode?

[Pandu Poluan]

On Nov 4, 2011 10:17 PM, "Michael Orlitzky"  wrote:
>
> On 11/04/2011 11:00 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> > I'm looking for a nice, lightweight way to implement a Mercurial server.
> > Somehow, installing a heavyweight webserver just for Mercurial seems
> > so... wasteful.
>
> If it's not for public use, you can clone/pull/whatever over SSH.
>

That's news to me... so I don't have to install a Mercurial server at all?

That said, having seen the demo version of RhodeCode, I kind of like it's
web-based interface. And the Active Directory integration also seems nice
(my company's dev team is predominantly Windows).

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Donating Blood

[Pandu Poluan]

On Nov 7, 2011 3:45 AM, "Neil Bothwick"  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:39:36 +, James Broadhead wrote:
>
> > Please change the Subject when a thread goes off-topic. My ipod
> > no-worky ;_;
>
> What does this have to do with donating blood?
>
> Sheesh, talk about off-topic :P

It's meta-off-topic...

Like this message :-D

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Érico Porto]

Yeah, seem udev is the problem.

I'm reading http://hackaday.com/2009/09/18/how-to-write-udev-rules/

It seems once this is done right, thing will work

Thanks!

(right now, it sees it as generic usb something...)

Érico V. Porto


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Dale  wrote:

> Érico Porto wrote:
>
>> so now the module is loadable through modprobe, it all makes with no
>> errors.
>>
>> It's probably out of this topic, but shouldn't I see a ttyUSB or
>> something like that in my /dev/ ?
>>
>> I tried using
>>
>> modprobe ti_usb_3410_5052 product=0451 vendor f432
>>
>> I just wanted to read the virtual usb serial out of a Texas launchpad
>> board. This board uses the TUSB3410 chip. I'm asking about this in the
>> texas forums too, just was surprised to see so many fast answers.
>>
>> Érico V. Porto
>>
>>
> I would think udev would create the device when it is connected or you
> boot up, whichever comes first.  I have no knowledge on the device you are
> using but do on the kernel part.  If you load the module, udev should then
> see the device and create the file in /dev.  That's the theory anyway.  You
> can use udevadm monitor to see if udev sees it as it should.  You can also
> tail -f /var/log/messages to see what happens when you connect it or look
> in dmesg.  One or more of those should tell you what is not working.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Dale]

Érico Porto wrote:
so now the module is loadable through modprobe, it all makes with no 
errors.


It's probably out of this topic, but shouldn't I see a ttyUSB or 
something like that in my /dev/ ?


I tried using

modprobe ti_usb_3410_5052 product=0451 vendor f432

I just wanted to read the virtual usb serial out of a Texas launchpad 
board. This board uses the TUSB3410 chip. I'm asking about this in the 
texas forums too, just was surprised to see so many fast answers.


Érico V. Porto



I would think udev would create the device when it is connected or you 
boot up, whichever comes first.  I have no knowledge on the device you 
are using but do on the kernel part.  If you load the module, udev 
should then see the device and create the file in /dev.  That's the 
theory anyway.  You can use udevadm monitor to see if udev sees it as it 
should.  You can also tail -f /var/log/messages to see what happens when 
you connect it or look in dmesg.  One or more of those should tell you 
what is not working.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 22:38:37 Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 06.11.2011 20:07, schrieb Mick:
> > On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 16:52:02 Alex Schuster wrote:
> >> Florian Philipp writes:
> >>> Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
>  Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?
>  
>  An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
> >>> 
> >>> It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
> >>> old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
> >>> any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.
> >> 
> >> I have traceroute-2.0.18 installed, and I do have the man page.
> > 
> > I am getting confused.  x86 box has traceroute-2.0.15 with man page,
> > while amd_64 box has same version and no man page.
> 
> I bet the man-page disappears when you re-emerge traceroute. According
> to changelog, the patch I mentioned in a different message was
> introduced without changing the revision number (it doesn't have to
> because it just fixes a build problem). If you emerged traceroute-2.0.15
> before the patch was applied, you got the man-page. Afterwards, it is lost.

OK!  This at least explains why remerging today did not add the man page.

Thanks for shedding a light on this.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Érico Porto]

type there :  modprobe ti_usb_3410_5052 product=f432 vendor=0451


Érico V. Porto


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Dale  wrote:

>  Dale wrote:
>
> Érico Porto wrote:
>
> Ok I will try it.
>
>  I used:
>
>  make && make modules_install && make install
>
>  Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?
>
> Érico V. Porto
>
>
>
> Yep and make install installs them.  I use make all for the first one but
> I don't think it is required anymore.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
> Sorry, make modules_install installs them.  To many words starting with M
> there.  lol
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> P. S.  To highlight a point someone else made, you can use make modules &&
> make modules_install if the modules is all you need.  In other words, the
> kernel is already built.
>

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Érico Porto]

traceroute --help is still there though.

Érico V. Porto


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Florian Philipp wrote:

> Am 06.11.2011 20:07, schrieb Mick:
> > On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 16:52:02 Alex Schuster wrote:
> >> Florian Philipp writes:
> >>> Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
>  Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?
> 
>  An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
> >>>
> >>> It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
> >>> old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
> >>> any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.
> >>
> >> I have traceroute-2.0.18 installed, and I do have the man page.
> >
> > I am getting confused.  x86 box has traceroute-2.0.15 with man page,
> while
> > amd_64 box has same version and no man page.
> >
>
> I bet the man-page disappears when you re-emerge traceroute. According
> to changelog, the patch I mentioned in a different message was
> introduced without changing the revision number (it doesn't have to
> because it just fixes a build problem). If you emerged traceroute-2.0.15
> before the patch was applied, you got the man-page. Afterwards, it is lost.
>
> Regards,
> Florian Philipp
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Érico Porto]

so now the module is loadable through modprobe, it all makes with no errors.

It's probably out of this topic, but shouldn't I see a ttyUSB or something
like that in my /dev/ ?

I tried using

modprobe ti_usb_3410_5052 product=0451 vendor f432

I just wanted to read the virtual usb serial out of a Texas launchpad
board. This board uses the TUSB3410 chip. I'm asking about this in the
texas forums too, just was surprised to see so many fast answers.

Érico V. Porto


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Dale  wrote:

>  Érico Porto wrote:
>
> Ok I will try it.
>
>  I used:
>
>  make && make modules_install && make install
>
>  Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?
>
> Érico V. Porto
>
>
>
> Yep and make install installs them.  I use make all for the first one but
> I don't think it is required anymore.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Dale]

Dale wrote:

Érico Porto wrote:

Ok I will try it.

I used:

make && make modules_install && make install

Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?

Érico V. Porto



Yep and make install installs them.  I use make all for the first one 
but I don't think it is required anymore.


Dale

:-)  :-)


Sorry, make modules_install installs them.  To many words starting with 
M there.  lol


Dale

:-)  :-)

P. S.  To highlight a point someone else made, you can use make modules 
&& make modules_install if the modules is all you need.  In other words, 
the kernel is already built.

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Do open drivers use different GPU abilities?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 11/06/2011 06:45 PM, Grant wrote:

Does anyone know if open-source video drivers like radeon use the
different GPU's in different cards differently?  Maybe not and there
is just a flat identical acceleration for all of the radeon cards?


The GPUs are different, so yes, the driver needs to handle them differently.


So some perform better than others even with the open-source drivers?


Yes.  Though the differences should not be as extreme as with the 
Catalyst driver, since the open drivers don't use the GPU very effectively.

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Dale]

Érico Porto wrote:

Ok I will try it.

I used:

make && make modules_install && make install

Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?

Érico V. Porto



Yep and make install installs them.  I use make all for the first one 
but I don't think it is required anymore.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Érico Porto]

solved,

unmark:

[ ] Include in-kernel firmware blobs in kernel binary

then, type:


make && make firmware_install && make modules_install && make install

Érico V. Porto


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Érico Porto wrote:

> Ok I will try it.
>
> I used:
>
> make && make modules_install && make install
>
> Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?
>
> Érico V. Porto
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Aljosha Papsch 
> wrote:
>
>> 2011/11/6 Érico Porto :
>> > Hello,
>> > I would like to ask about the kernel 3.0.6. I can't load
>> > the ti_usb_3410_5052.ko. I mean, when I select it in the kernel menu, it
>> > makes fine, but when I type make modules_install, I get an error:
>> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/firmware/./', needed by
>> > `/lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw'.  Stop.
>> > make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 2
>> > Has anyone tried it in the 3.0.6 kernel? My uname -a output is:
>> > Linux localhost 3.0.6-gentoo #13 SMP Wed Nov 2 21:05:47 BRST 2011 i686
>> > Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
>> > My kernel was loaded using emerge.
>> > Regards
>> > Érico V. Porto
>> >
>>
>> I solved this by not building firmware into kernel. It's somewhere in
>> Linux config "General Options".
>>
>>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Florian Philipp]

Am 06.11.2011 20:07, schrieb Mick:
> On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 16:52:02 Alex Schuster wrote:
>> Florian Philipp writes:
>>> Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
 Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?

 An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
>>>
>>> It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
>>> old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
>>> any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.
>>
>> I have traceroute-2.0.18 installed, and I do have the man page.
> 
> I am getting confused.  x86 box has traceroute-2.0.15 with man page, while 
> amd_64 box has same version and no man page.
> 

I bet the man-page disappears when you re-emerge traceroute. According
to changelog, the patch I mentioned in a different message was
introduced without changing the revision number (it doesn't have to
because it just fixes a build problem). If you emerged traceroute-2.0.15
before the patch was applied, you got the man-page. Afterwards, it is lost.

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Aljosha Papsch]

2011/11/6 Érico Porto :
> Ok I will try it.
> I used:
> make && make modules_install && make install
> Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?
> Érico V. Porto
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Aljosha Papsch 
> wrote:
>>
>> 2011/11/6 Érico Porto :
>> > Hello,
>> > I would like to ask about the kernel 3.0.6. I can't load
>> > the ti_usb_3410_5052.ko. I mean, when I select it in the kernel menu, it
>> > makes fine, but when I type make modules_install, I get an error:
>> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/firmware/./', needed by
>> > `/lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw'.  Stop.
>> > make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 2
>> > Has anyone tried it in the 3.0.6 kernel? My uname -a output is:
>> > Linux localhost 3.0.6-gentoo #13 SMP Wed Nov 2 21:05:47 BRST 2011 i686
>> > Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
>> > My kernel was loaded using emerge.
>> > Regards
>> > Érico V. Porto
>> >
>>
>> I solved this by not building firmware into kernel. It's somewhere in
>> Linux config "General Options".
>>
>
>

Yes it's just make. Then I tried compiling the kernel, I got the same
error with installing firmware. But I lied in the other message ;) The
location of the option is:
Symbol: FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL [=n]
  |  Type  : boolean
  │ Prompt: Include in-kernel firmware blobs in kernel binary
  │   Defined at drivers/base/Kconfig:80
  │   Depends on: FW_LOADER [=y]
  │   Location:
  │ -> Device Drivers
  │   -> Generic Driver Options
  │ -> Userspace firmware loading support (FW_LOADER [=y])

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Adam Carter]

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Érico Porto  wrote:
> Ok I will try it.
> I used:
> make && make modules_install && make install
> Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?

Yes, you're right. I only use make modules if I'm adding a module to
an existing setup.

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Érico Porto]

Ok I will try it.

I used:

make && make modules_install && make install

Doesn't the modules get made in the make part?

Érico V. Porto


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Aljosha Papsch wrote:

> 2011/11/6 Érico Porto :
> > Hello,
> > I would like to ask about the kernel 3.0.6. I can't load
> > the ti_usb_3410_5052.ko. I mean, when I select it in the kernel menu, it
> > makes fine, but when I type make modules_install, I get an error:
> > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/firmware/./', needed by
> > `/lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw'.  Stop.
> > make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 2
> > Has anyone tried it in the 3.0.6 kernel? My uname -a output is:
> > Linux localhost 3.0.6-gentoo #13 SMP Wed Nov 2 21:05:47 BRST 2011 i686
> > Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
> > My kernel was loaded using emerge.
> > Regards
> > Érico V. Porto
> >
>
> I solved this by not building firmware into kernel. It's somewhere in
> Linux config "General Options".
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:21:33 -0600, Dale wrote:


Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...`
does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an
alias?

I do use -av out of habit.  That habit started when I was copying
installs from one drive to another.  I don't think I have any aliases
anymore.  It would be good if I just copied the right thing.  :/

Or you could use make install and remove the possibility for screw-ups.
After all, you trust make to build and kernel, then build and copy the
entire module tree. Surely you can manage to trust it with one more
file :-O




I did use it once but I didn't like the way it did it.  That could have 
changed since then tho.  I'm also bad to keep several versions of older 
kernels around too. I have had over a dozen on /boot before.  That's why 
my /boot is a 200 Mbs or so.  Sort of like this:


Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1   186663 26457150569  15% /boot

If we carry this to far, I'll being using Linux from Scratch.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Aljosha Papsch]

2011/11/6 Érico Porto :
> Hello,
> I would like to ask about the kernel 3.0.6. I can't load
> the ti_usb_3410_5052.ko. I mean, when I select it in the kernel menu, it
> makes fine, but when I type make modules_install, I get an error:
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/firmware/./', needed by
> `/lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw'.  Stop.
> make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 2
> Has anyone tried it in the 3.0.6 kernel? My uname -a output is:
> Linux localhost 3.0.6-gentoo #13 SMP Wed Nov 2 21:05:47 BRST 2011 i686
> Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
> My kernel was loaded using emerge.
> Regards
> Érico V. Porto
>

I solved this by not building firmware into kernel. It's somewhere in
Linux config "General Options".

Re: [gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Adam Carter]

> I would like to ask about the kernel 3.0.6. I can't load
> the ti_usb_3410_5052.ko. I mean, when I select it in the kernel menu, it
> makes fine, but when I type make modules_install, I get an error:
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/firmware/./', needed by
> `/lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw'.  Stop.

Did you remember to 'make modules' first?

[gentoo-user] TUSB3410 on 3.0.6 kernel

[Érico Porto]

Hello,

I would like to ask about the kernel 3.0.6. I can't load
the ti_usb_3410_5052.ko. I mean, when I select it in the kernel menu, it
makes fine, but when I type make modules_install, I get an error:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/firmware/./', needed by
`/lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw'.  Stop.
make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 2

Has anyone tried it in the 3.0.6 kernel? My uname -a output is:

Linux localhost 3.0.6-gentoo #13 SMP Wed Nov 2 21:05:47 BRST 2011 i686
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 900MHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

My kernel was loaded using emerge.

Regards

Érico V. Porto

Re: [gentoo-user] Donating Blood

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:39:36 +, James Broadhead wrote:

> Please change the Subject when a thread goes off-topic. My ipod
> no-worky ;_;

What does this have to do with donating blood?

Sheesh, talk about off-topic :P


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Despite the cost of living it remains popular.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] laptop desktop serial connection don't work on one direction

[Kfir Lavi]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Andrea Conti  wrote:

>
> > I have connected the wires by hand, 3-2 and 2-3 but without 5.
> > I'll try it again today with 5 connected, and post my findings.
>
> Not having a common ground reference between the two sides could very
> well cause the kind of problems you're seeing :)
>
> andrea
>
> As you and bill suggested, the problem was the ground pin 5, which I
forgot about.
I now took care to connect the ground and also use it as a shield, and it
is working now.

Thank you all for your help,
Kfir

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:21:33 -0600, Dale wrote:

> > Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...`
> > does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an
> > alias? 
> 
> I do use -av out of habit.  That habit started when I was copying 
> installs from one drive to another.  I don't think I have any aliases 
> anymore.  It would be good if I just copied the right thing.  :/

Or you could use make install and remove the possibility for screw-ups.
After all, you trust make to build and kernel, then build and copy the
entire module tree. Surely you can manage to trust it with one more
file :-O


-- 
Neil Bothwick

When you finally buy enough memory, you will not have enough disk space.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Donating Blood

[Dale]

Pandu Poluan wrote:



On Nov 7, 2011 12:43 AM, "James Broadhead" > wrote:

>
> On 6 November 2011 17:23, Mark Knecht > wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Neil Bothwick > wrote:

> >> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:16:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>
> >>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
> >>> donating.
> >>
> >> I used to9, but I'm no longer allowed to. In the UK, anyone who 
received
> >> a transfusion before 1981 is no longer able to donate, I received 
blood

> >> in December 1980.
> >>
> >> It's something to do with CJD/Mad Cow disease, no jokes about the 
wife

> >> please... she may read this and prove them right!
> >>
> > We have the same limitations here and it is about Mad Cow. (Not 'THE
> > Mad Cow' you crazy Brit!) ;-)
>
> Please change the Subject when a thread goes off-topic. My ipod 
no-worky ;_;

>

Uh, sorry about that, my bad.

I also am prohibited to donate blood, because my blood pressure never 
goes higher than 110/70. The Red Cross guys had me jog around the 
building for 15 minutes yet the systolic number stubbornly refused to 
climb higher than 115.


After going to 3 separate blood drives and experiencing the exact same 
incident, I give up :-(


(Besides, them blood guys said that my blood's 'not something special' 
so I'm not robbing humanity of something valuable. I know they tried 
to assuage my guilty feeling, but in the process also torn down my 
self-respect :-(


Rgds,



Mine may not be special but it is unique for sure.  It has to be.  I'm 
ME !  ROFL


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Dale]

Mick wrote:

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 16:52:02 Alex Schuster wrote:

Florian Philipp writes:

Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:

Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?

An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.

It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.

I have traceroute-2.0.18 installed, and I do have the man page.

I am getting confused.  x86 box has traceroute-2.0.15 with man page, while
amd_64 box has same version and no man page.



USE flag maybe?  Check package.use to make sure you didn't put something 
in there.  I always forget to check that.  This from the guy that copies 
kernel symlinks.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Florian Philipp wrote:

Am 06.11.2011 15:26, schrieb Dale:

Mick wrote:

Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the
drives? I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux
files from /boot (I don't understand it). In /boot you should have the
image files themselves of your desired kernels (plus corresponding
System and .config files).

I can but it seems to do the same thing either way.  I don't reboot much
so maybe it is something in my head.  I'm pretty sure it used to list
the drives on the main BIOS screen then when the controller screen comes
up it detects them for AHCI.  What gets me is them not being seen while
I am in the BIOS itself.  I know it used to see them there.  Whenever I
add a drive or something, I check to make sure it sees everything
correctly before I even boot my OS.  That way if I have a bad cable or
forgot to connect something, I can fix it without booting and having to
shutdown again.  Saves time.


Another idea: Do the disks spin up fast enough? Maybe the disks are not
ready in time to be picked up by the first BIOS screen. Then when they
spin up, they are detected by AHCI (which is hot-plug capable) just in
time for loading Grub.

Did you add any new hardware recently? I remember you wanted to install
new disks. Maybe your power supply cannot take the load and this delays
things. I've never seen this particular problem but this
bootup-powerspike is the reason why large disk arrays typically start
one disk after the other.


Actually it does the same even when I am rebooting.  The drives don't 
spin down when rebooting right?.  It is a heck of a thought tho.  Just 
for the record, I have a 650 watt P/S in this beast.  I got one plenty 
large enough to handle anything that would fit, except a space heater of 
course.  lol  I think I hear foldingathome calling.  It's starting to 
get cold.  As soon as the day temps cool off, folding will be running.


No new hardware yet.  I do plan to add a drive or two tho.  I just 
haven't got around to finding one yet.  I did check all the connections 
tho, power and data.  And now that it is booted, everything seems to 
work like usual.



I copy my kernels by hand.  Always have.  It appears that under arch is
x86 and x86_64 and I copied from x86_64.  Thing is, that is only a
symlink to x86 so it becomes a link in /boot instead.  Well, when grub
tries to follow the link, root is not mounted yet and it can't see the
file.  So, this one was on me.  I got to remember not to copy from the
x86_64 even tho I have a 64 bit rig.


Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...`
does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an alias?



I do use -av out of habit.  That habit started when I was copying 
installs from one drive to another.  I don't think I have any aliases 
anymore.  It would be good if I just copied the right thing.  :/


I did download a new sysrescue thingy.  Maybe it is just a bad version 
or something or just a bad file on the stick.  Still not sure about the 
BIOS part tho.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Donating Blood

[Pandu Poluan]

On Nov 7, 2011 12:43 AM, "James Broadhead"  wrote:
>
> On 6 November 2011 17:23, Mark Knecht  wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Neil Bothwick 
wrote:
> >> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:16:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>
> >>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
> >>> donating.
> >>
> >> I used to9, but I'm no longer allowed to. In the UK, anyone who
received
> >> a transfusion before 1981 is no longer able to donate, I received blood
> >> in December 1980.
> >>
> >> It's something to do with CJD/Mad Cow disease, no jokes about the wife
> >> please... she may read this and prove them right!
> >>
> > We have the same limitations here and it is about Mad Cow. (Not 'THE
> > Mad Cow' you crazy Brit!) ;-)
>
> Please change the Subject when a thread goes off-topic. My ipod no-worky
;_;
>

Uh, sorry about that, my bad.

I also am prohibited to donate blood, because my blood pressure never goes
higher than 110/70. The Red Cross guys had me jog around the building for
15 minutes yet the systolic number stubbornly refused to climb higher than
115.

After going to 3 separate blood drives and experiencing the exact same
incident, I give up :-(

(Besides, them blood guys said that my blood's 'not something special' so
I'm not robbing humanity of something valuable. I know they tried to
assuage my guilty feeling, but in the process also torn down my
self-respect :-(

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 16:52:02 Alex Schuster wrote:
> Florian Philipp writes:
> > Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
> > > Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?
> > > 
> > > An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
> > 
> > It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
> > old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
> > any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.
> 
> I have traceroute-2.0.18 installed, and I do have the man page.

I am getting confused.  x86 box has traceroute-2.0.15 with man page, while 
amd_64 box has same version and no man page.

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Florian Philipp]

Am 06.11.2011 15:26, schrieb Dale:
> Mick wrote:
>> Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the
>> drives? I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux
>> files from /boot (I don't understand it). In /boot you should have the
>> image files themselves of your desired kernels (plus corresponding
>> System and .config files). 
> 
> I can but it seems to do the same thing either way.  I don't reboot much
> so maybe it is something in my head.  I'm pretty sure it used to list
> the drives on the main BIOS screen then when the controller screen comes
> up it detects them for AHCI.  What gets me is them not being seen while
> I am in the BIOS itself.  I know it used to see them there.  Whenever I
> add a drive or something, I check to make sure it sees everything
> correctly before I even boot my OS.  That way if I have a bad cable or
> forgot to connect something, I can fix it without booting and having to
> shutdown again.  Saves time.
> 

Another idea: Do the disks spin up fast enough? Maybe the disks are not
ready in time to be picked up by the first BIOS screen. Then when they
spin up, they are detected by AHCI (which is hot-plug capable) just in
time for loading Grub.

Did you add any new hardware recently? I remember you wanted to install
new disks. Maybe your power supply cannot take the load and this delays
things. I've never seen this particular problem but this
bootup-powerspike is the reason why large disk arrays typically start
one disk after the other.

> I copy my kernels by hand.  Always have.  It appears that under arch is
> x86 and x86_64 and I copied from x86_64.  Thing is, that is only a
> symlink to x86 so it becomes a link in /boot instead.  Well, when grub
> tries to follow the link, root is not mounted yet and it can't see the
> file.  So, this one was on me.  I got to remember not to copy from the
> x86_64 even tho I have a 64 bit rig.
> 

Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...`
does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an alias?



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Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

Hi,

is it an Asus board?

Because Asus went cheap on bios chips not too long ago. Now we have the fun of
Asus bioses getting confused because of stuff like turning off and similar
cruel treatment. The fuck up with your transformer might habe caused a short
spike, damaging the settings.

In my experience, Asus boards with a confused cheap bios can be brought back
with: resetting bios, turning off electricity several times and lots and lots
of reboots.

There is a reason, I throw that garbage out and got gigabyte.

About the 'suddenly ide' drive mess: did you turn back the settings?

And the symlinks: just WTF? Just install debianutils, do 'make modules_install
install' and /boot will always have the correct files, with nice symlinks
named vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old etc...





I have a Gigabyte mobo here too.  They are highly rated you know.  ^_^

I don't think much of a big spike could make it through all the surge 
protection.  I have one set at the wall, another built into the UPS and 
there is a LOT in there, and some more in the power supply itself.  If I 
had a lightening strike that was pretty close by, yea I would think that 
for sure.  I have to also say I am about 10 miles as the crow flies from 
the transformer.  Going the path of the wires, lots further.  That poor 
surge would have a lot to pass by to get to little ole me.  I might also 
add, our local power company does have a good bit of protection along 
the way.  When the power is on, it is good power.  When it is not good, 
its going off.  It stays pretty steady all things considered.  No storms 
around here either.  Just cold.  Brr.


I might also add, my old rig that plugs straight into the wall booted up 
fine.  It has no protection at all.  No UPS just whatever it has in the 
power supply itself.  It did sort of gripe about being shutdown 
improperly and did the usual file system checks but otherwise, it was fine.


I had to change the battery in the UPS a few years ago.  That thing has 
MOV's all over the place.  The cord coming from the wall, the PCB, the 
plug going out.  I think even a close by lightening strike would frown 
on that thing.  Jeez, by weight the UPS is a set of batteries, a 
transformer and MOV's.  lol  Some engineer must have got hit by 
lightening when he was designing that thing.  They put a lot in there.


UPS you ask, about a 8 year old CyberPower 1250AVR.  Yea, Automatic 
Voltage Regulation.  lol  I picked a good one even if it is old.


Going to go see my lady friend, all 90 lbs of her, will work on this 
more later.  ;-)  Yea, I feed her good but she won't gain a bit. < sighs >


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Florian Philipp]

Am 06.11.2011 17:52, schrieb Alex Schuster:
> Florian Philipp writes:
> 
>> Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
>>> Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?
>>>
>>> An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
>>
>> It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
>> old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
>> any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.
> 
> I have traceroute-2.0.18 installed, and I do have the man page.
> 
>   Wonko
> 

Oh, right. I've found the man page in the source tarballs. It just
changed location.

There is a bug in the original make file for 2.0.15 with a patch in the
portage tree. That probably causes the man page to be missing from the
install but my make-fu is not sufficient to verify that.

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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[gentoo-user] Re: Python idle - font size for menu and help

[Hartmut Figge]

Michael Mol:
>On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Hartmut Figge  wrote:

[Font for IDLE]
>> A config file in /etc, in home, perhaps some lines in .Xresources...
>
>That's what I was thinking.

Inserting the next line works for me. :)

- .Xresources -
Idle*font: insert-suitable-font-from-xlsfonts
---

Hartmut
-- 
Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/
Von Usern fuer User  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:

> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high performance.
> >Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it

virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.


-- 
#163933

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Hi,

is it an Asus board?

Because Asus went cheap on bios chips not too long ago. Now we have the fun of 
Asus bioses getting confused because of stuff like turning off and similar 
cruel treatment. The fuck up with your transformer might habe caused a short 
spike, damaging the settings. 

In my experience, Asus boards with a confused cheap bios can be brought back 
with: resetting bios, turning off electricity several times and lots and lots 
of reboots.

There is a reason, I throw that garbage out and got gigabyte.

About the 'suddenly ide' drive mess: did you turn back the settings?

And the symlinks: just WTF? Just install debianutils, do 'make modules_install 
install' and /boot will always have the correct files, with nice symlinks 
named vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old etc...

[gentoo-user] Donating Blood

[James Broadhead]

On 6 November 2011 17:23, Mark Knecht  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Neil Bothwick  wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:16:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
>>> donating.
>>
>> I used to9, but I'm no longer allowed to. In the UK, anyone who received
>> a transfusion before 1981 is no longer able to donate, I received blood
>> in December 1980.
>>
>> It's something to do with CJD/Mad Cow disease, no jokes about the wife
>> please... she may read this and prove them right!
>>
> We have the same limitations here and it is about Mad Cow. (Not 'THE
> Mad Cow' you crazy Brit!) ;-)

Please change the Subject when a thread goes off-topic. My ipod no-worky ;_;

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Do open drivers use different GPU abilities?

[James Broadhead]

On 6 November 2011 16:45, Grant  wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if open-source video drivers like radeon use the
>>> different GPU's in different cards differently?  Maybe not and there
>>> is just a flat identical acceleration for all of the radeon cards?
>>
>> The GPUs are different, so yes, the driver needs to handle them differently.
>
> So some perform better than others even with the open-source drivers?

For each card, there is only one open-source driver which will work
with its GPU (r300, r600 etc.).

Your only modern alternative is to use the official ATI drivers, but
it's difficult to maintain a current perspective on how they compare.

At least historically, fglrx has been better for 3D support, but
radeon has been more inclusive, supporting many older cards. radeon
has 3D support now, so that's a moot point. Feel free to try both and
post the results of the phoronix test suite for benchmarking.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:16:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
>> donating.
>
> I used to9, but I'm no longer allowed to. In the UK, anyone who received
> a transfusion before 1981 is no longer able to donate, I received blood
> in December 1980.
>
> It's something to do with CJD/Mad Cow disease, no jokes about the wife
> please... she may read this and prove them right!
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> Excuse for the day: daemons did it
>

We have the same limitations here and it is about Mad Cow. (Not 'THE
Mad Cow' you crazy Brit!) ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 16:08:09 Florian Philipp wrote:
> Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
> > Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?
> > 
> > An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
> 
> It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
> old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
> any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.

Thanks for confirming this.

It is somewhat odd that it is not included.  There is a page for traceroute6 
which asks the user to refer to the traceroute(8)o_O

I think I'll copy it over from my old box, but I suspect it may be removed 
again by later man page packages?

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] lpng14 - mess

[Joseph]

On 11/06/11 16:29, Stroller wrote:


On 6 November 2011, at 02:14, Joseph wrote:


revdep-rebuild is showing:
broken /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la (requires -lpng14)


What package does the file belong to?

  $ equery b /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la


Note:

$ eselect news read all | head
2011-10-15-libpng15
 Title Upgrade to libpng15
 AuthorSamuli Suominen 
 Posted2011-10-15
 Revision  1

After upgrading from libpng14 to libpng15 it's important that you rebuild
cairo and gdk-pixbuf as soon as possible if they are installed.
$

Stroller


As I've mentioned in my previous post I edited libgtksourceview-1.0.la
nano -w /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la
changed: -lpng14 to -lpng15

my system shows me I still need the libgtksourceview
qfile -C /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la
x11-libs/gtksourceview (/usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la)

--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Alex Schuster]

Florian Philipp writes:

> Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
> > Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?
> > 
> > An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
> 
> It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
> old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
> any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.

I have traceroute-2.0.18 installed, and I do have the man page.

Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Do open drivers use different GPU abilities?

[Grant]

>> Does anyone know if open-source video drivers like radeon use the
>> different GPU's in different cards differently?  Maybe not and there
>> is just a flat identical acceleration for all of the radeon cards?
>
> The GPUs are different, so yes, the driver needs to handle them differently.

So some perform better than others even with the open-source drivers?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] lpng14 - mess

[Joseph]

On 11/06/11 08:42, Mick wrote:


Have you tried:

lafilefixer --justfixit   <--(this is not needed as it is a default setting in
portage configuration these days, but just in case)

revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14' -- --keep-going

emerge -1av --keep-going $(find /usr \( -name "*.la" -o -name "*.pc" -o -name
"*-config" -o -name "*.pm" \) -exec grep -H png14 {} \; | cut -d : -f 1 | xargs
qfile -CSq | sort | uniq)

and a final:

revdep-rebuild -v

should pick them all up and solve your problem.
--
Regards,
Mick


Solved mine.
nano -w /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la
changed: -lpng14 to -lpng15

my system shows me I still need the libgtksourceview
qfile -C /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la
x11-libs/gtksourceview (/usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la)

depend on x11-libs/gtksourceview:
dev-python/gtksourceview-python-2.32.0 (x11-libs/gtksourceview:1.0)
dev-python/pygtksourceview-2.10.1 (>=x11-libs/gtksourceview-2.9.7:2.0)

--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] lpng14 - mess

[Stroller]

On 6 November 2011, at 02:14, Joseph wrote:

> revdep-rebuild is showing:
> broken /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la (requires -lpng14)

What package does the file belong to?

   $ equery b /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la


Note:

$ eselect news read all | head
2011-10-15-libpng15
  Title Upgrade to libpng15
  AuthorSamuli Suominen 
  Posted2011-10-15
  Revision  1

After upgrading from libpng14 to libpng15 it's important that you rebuild
cairo and gdk-pixbuf as soon as possible if they are installed.
$ 

Stroller

Re: [gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Florian Philipp]

Am 06.11.2011 14:13, schrieb Mick:
> Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?
> 
> An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.

It seems that the man page has been dropped from the package. Only the
old 2.0.3 version from sourceforge still contains it. I couldn't find
any mention on on bugs.g.o or traceroute-devel.

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Dale  wrote:

Mark Knecht wrote:

I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider donating.
Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful and whole blood
donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer as it draws my blood,
separates the contents, keeps the plasma&  platelets and then returns the
rest of my blood back to my body. (Spooky!) ;-) Cheers, Mark

I would draw the line at it coming back.  If something wasn't cleaned right,
they will find it when they test the blood later.  Thing is, if something
wasn't cleaned right, you get it back.  I'd just drink a glass of orange
juice.  lol

Dale

Yeah, that was my concern before I started doing the process it but
it's a very interesting engineering solution to building a closed
system where everything is put in brand new for each donation. It's
this huge package of plastic tubes and hoses which are sealed until
moments before the blood draw so I'm not overly worried, but it's
really easy to understand why others would be, and for those folks
they should just do whole blood donations which only take blood out
and nothing returns. With those it's only a matter of a clean needle.

- Mark




Well, if they do all that, then I could see how that isn't a problem.  I 
still sort of like the one clean needle thing tho.  I got enough health 
issues so I don't need some microscopic critter hitching a ride and 
making more problems for me.  So, be careful.  Keep a eye on them. 
Wouldn't want to lose a Gentoo user.  ^_^


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:16:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:

> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
> donating.

I used to9, but I'm no longer allowed to. In the UK, anyone who received
a transfusion before 1981 is no longer able to donate, I received blood
in December 1980.

It's something to do with CJD/Mad Cow disease, no jokes about the wife
please... she may read this and prove them right!


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Dale  wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider donating.
>> Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful and whole blood
>> donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer as it draws my blood,
>> separates the contents, keeps the plasma & platelets and then returns the
>> rest of my blood back to my body. (Spooky!) ;-) Cheers, Mark
>
> I would draw the line at it coming back.  If something wasn't cleaned right,
> they will find it when they test the blood later.  Thing is, if something
> wasn't cleaned right, you get it back.  I'd just drink a glass of orange
> juice.  lol
>
> Dale

Yeah, that was my concern before I started doing the process it but
it's a very interesting engineering solution to building a closed
system where everything is put in brand new for each donation. It's
this huge package of plastic tubes and hoses which are sealed until
moments before the blood draw so I'm not overly worried, but it's
really easy to understand why others would be, and for those folks
they should just do whole blood donations which only take blood out
and nothing returns. With those it's only a matter of a clean needle.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Dale  wrote:

>> IF by the 'first screen' you mean what you see when booting up then it
>> may or may not be a problem. I suspect your BIOS settings got
>> scrambled a bit. With my Asus MB there is an option to tell it to show
>> the drives on the first screen or not. If BIOS gets set back to
>> default then I don't see them. I then go in, set the option, and then
>> I do see them.


> By first screen, I mean the first screen that the BIOS pops up when booting.
>  You know, shows CPU, memory, drives and tells you to hit DEL to enter the
> BIOS config.  The second screen is the one that pops up right after the
> BIOS.  It is actually the SATA AHCI controller according to what it says.
>  It only shows up when AHCI is enabled I think.  Grub comes up after that.

On my machine your first screen is configurable. It doesn't show
drives by default but I have a BIOS option which turns it on.

If I fall back to BIOS #2 then I don't see the drives just like you
are reporting. I have fallen back to BIOS #2 a couple of times on
power failure. One problem on 'power supply on the bottom' chassis is
it puts the power cable right near my feet and I've kicked the cable
out of the box twice in the last 18 months. My UPS won't protect me
from such stupidity! ;-)

Good luck getting to the root cause.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider 
donating. Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful 
and whole blood donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer 
as it draws my blood, separates the contents, keeps the plasma & 
platelets and then returns the rest of my blood back to my body. 
(Spooky!) ;-) Cheers, Mark 


I would draw the line at it coming back.  If something wasn't cleaned 
right, they will find it when they test the blood later.  Thing is, if 
something wasn't cleaned right, you get it back.  I'd just drink a glass 
of orange juice.  lol


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Dale  wrote:


When I did my ls on
/boot, the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not
mounted yet.



Why in the world would a kernel on /boot _ever_ be a symlink? That's
just not right for guys like you and me Dale!


Reason for that is in another reply.  It was a symlink in the kernel 
sources directory too.  Once a symlink starts, it's a link from then 
on.  I just got to get the right one.  lol




I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE.  However, I
edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots.  I'm
actually typing in it now.


So this is good. Glad you got that far.


My questions you ask?  Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly?  The
main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the screen,
including the DVD burner.  They do show up on the second screen where AHCI
detects drives.

IF by the 'first screen' you mean what you see when booting up then it
may or may not be a problem. I suspect your BIOS settings got
scrambled a bit. With my Asus MB there is an option to tell it to show
the drives on the first screen or not. If BIOS gets set back to
default then I don't see them. I then go in, set the option, and then
I do see them.

On this Asus machine I have two BIOS'es. When I do updates, if the
update doesn't go well, then the machine automatically drops back to
BIOS #2 which is (hopefully) unchanged. This is safe, but can at times
get a little confusing. Possibly your machine has something similar
and you're now using the second BIOS?


Good luck!!!

Cheers,
Mark




By first screen, I mean the first screen that the BIOS pops up when 
booting.  You know, shows CPU, memory, drives and tells you to hit DEL 
to enter the BIOS config.  The second screen is the one that pops up 
right after the BIOS.  It is actually the SATA AHCI controller according 
to what it says.  It only shows up when AHCI is enabled I think.  Grub 
comes up after that.


I did update the BIOS on here once.  I have rebooted it several times 
and it seems to be working fine.  I may update once more but the new one 
was still a beta when I last checked.  I think that part is OK.  I 
think.  :/


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[James Broadhead]

On 5 November 2011 19:45, Joost Roeleveld  wrote:
> On Saturday, November 05, 2011 04:48:54 AM Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Joost Roeleveld  wrote:
>> > On Friday, November 04, 2011 06:03:55 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>> >> 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López :
>> >> > Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice
>> >> > (dependency
>> >> > of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi Jorge,
>> >>    Thanks for the ifuse idea. ifuse /mnt/ipod does seem to get the
>> >> device mounted. However just poking around in the /mnt/ipod directory
>> >> isn't very clear by itself about how music (and one day hopefully
>> >> videos) are stored. Maybe I can find some info somewhere to help with
>> >> that if necessary.
>> >>
>> >>    Even with the device mounted it doesn't seem to be visible to
>> >> gtkpod, and there aren't any new USB disk messages in dmesg. Just a
>> >> single ifuse message is all that's added.
>> >>
>> >>    Well, at least I can sort of communicate with the ipod even if I
>> >> cannot do anything interesting yet
>> >
>> > I haven't played with my iPod touch yet, but the "older" models all
>> > worked with gtkpod.
>> > You might need to tell gtkpod to "open" the ipod by pointing it where it
>> > is mounted

I have the same problem, with an iPad, but effectively the same. iPods
work on the local Ubuntu machine, and I believe that usbmuxd is the
problem in this case. It's supposed to pick up the ipod announce in
dmesg and take over. I can't test atm, but it looks like a good place
to start.

Take a look here:
http://marcansoft.com/blog/2009/10/iphone-syncing-on-linux-part-2/

which is a little old, but  has piles of info. I'm thinking of
updating the HFS+ page on gentoo-wiki - if we figure this out, maybe
we can write up a good guide for Apple i* devices.

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge dependence question

[victor romanchuk]

Zhang Jun wrote, at 11/06/2011 02:27 PM:
>  # eselect editor list
> Available targets for the EDITOR variable:
>   [1]   /bin/nano
>   [2]   /bin/ed
>   [3]   /usr/bin/ex
>   [4]   /usr/bin/vi
>   [ ]   (free form)
>
>

sanitize the EDITOR environment: eselect editor update

then set a suitable one from the displayed list. as far as i know the @system
requires at least one editor to be installed and set as default

>
> Something wants emacs, but it doesn't appear to be any of your installed
> package. What doe "eselect editor list" show?
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Dale  wrote:

> When I did my ls on
> /boot, the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not
> mounted yet.


Why in the world would a kernel on /boot _ever_ be a symlink? That's
just not right for guys like you and me Dale!

>
> I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE.  However, I
> edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots.  I'm
> actually typing in it now.
>

So this is good. Glad you got that far.

> My questions you ask?  Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly?  The
> main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the screen,
> including the DVD burner.  They do show up on the second screen where AHCI
> detects drives.

IF by the 'first screen' you mean what you see when booting up then it
may or may not be a problem. I suspect your BIOS settings got
scrambled a bit. With my Asus MB there is an option to tell it to show
the drives on the first screen or not. If BIOS gets set back to
default then I don't see them. I then go in, set the option, and then
I do see them.

On this Asus machine I have two BIOS'es. When I do updates, if the
update doesn't go well, then the machine automatically drops back to
BIOS #2 which is (hopefully) unchanged. This is safe, but can at times
get a little confusing. Possibly your machine has something similar
and you're now using the second BIOS?


Good luck!!!

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the 
drives? I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux 
files from /boot (I don't understand it). In /boot you should have the 
image files themselves of your desired kernels (plus corresponding 
System and .config files). 


I can but it seems to do the same thing either way.  I don't reboot much 
so maybe it is something in my head.  I'm pretty sure it used to list 
the drives on the main BIOS screen then when the controller screen comes 
up it detects them for AHCI.  What gets me is them not being seen while 
I am in the BIOS itself.  I know it used to see them there.  Whenever I 
add a drive or something, I check to make sure it sees everything 
correctly before I even boot my OS.  That way if I have a bad cable or 
forgot to connect something, I can fix it without booting and having to 
shutdown again.  Saves time.


I copy my kernels by hand.  Always have.  It appears that under arch is 
x86 and x86_64 and I copied from x86_64.  Thing is, that is only a 
symlink to x86 so it becomes a link in /boot instead.  Well, when grub 
tries to follow the link, root is not mounted yet and it can't see the 
file.  So, this one was on me.  I got to remember not to copy from the 
x86_64 even tho I have a 64 bit rig.


Still puzzled about cfdisk tho.  I did google and it appears to be quite 
common.  I may make a backup to my spare drive and redo the partitions 
then copy back again.  I used cfdisk to create them so one would think 
it could read them too.


Weird.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Pandu Poluan  wrote:
>
> On Nov 5, 2011 6:51 PM, "Mark Knecht"  wrote:
>>
>> (I do that a lot because my
>> blood is pretty unique.)
>
> (sorry for the offtopicness, but I really am curious)
>
> AB+ ?
>
> Rgds,

Yeah, off topic, and a good first guess. I'm AB+ which makes my plasma
universal donor, but I'm also but also CMV- which makes it appropriate
for people who have suppressed immune systems. (Newborn babies, AIDS
patients, etc.) I've been donating for about 10 years now (since 9/11)
and in fact donated both platelets and plasma yesterday afternoon. I'm
told that in the U.S. the AB+/CMV- combination makes my type way below
1% in my age group. As a whole blood donor my AB+ can only be used by
other AB+ people, but my plasma can be used by anyone. Plasma can be
frozen and keeps for up to a year so I'm pretty much assured that
everything I donate is used somewhere.

I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
donating. Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful
and whole blood donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer
as it draws my blood, separates the contents, keeps the plasma &
platelets and then returns the rest of my blood back to my body.
(Spooky!) ;-)

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Dale wrote:

Hi,

This is weird and I'm not sure what info to give yet.  This is the 
events tho. First, a raccoon got on the power substation transformer 
that supplies power for the whole county, excluding my local city 
which has its own transformer.  So, we lost power.  It was sudden just 
like a power switch.  Yea, this happens regular here and it ticks me 
to no end.  It also ticks off the power company because it is always 
about 2 or 3 in the morning when the little farts do this.  Second, my 
system switched to the UPS battery which was beeping and woke me up.  
I did a normal shutdown and cut everything off.  No problems so far.  
Patience.  o_O


When the power came back on, I turned on the UPS which turns on the 
modem, router, monitor and everything computer related back on.  I 
waited a few seconds and turned on my rig.  BIOS comes up which I 
wasn't really looking at, then Grub prompt.  I hit enter and got the 
"file not found" thing.  Well, this is weird.  So, I hit a key to try 
a older kernel, I keep several older versions around just in case.  
Same error.  Hmmm.  I did a reset and noticed the BIOS is NOT seeing a 
single drive connected, NOT ONE.  What !!  I enter the BIOS and go to 
the drive section and try to get it to detect them, nothing.  Surely 
three hard drives and a DVD burner can't all go out at exactly the 
same time.  Well, after scratching my head a bit, I reset the BIOS to 
defaults, which should be about what it is anyway since I don't 
overclock.  Still same grub error.


After a bit, I loaded sysrescue from the USB stick.  I thought maybe 
grub updated and it was having issues so was planning to chroot in and 
fix it.  Here comes a funny part.  When I did a cat /proc/partitions 
from sysrescue, all my drives and partitions were there even tho the 
BIOS didn't see them.  However, cfdisk gave me a error when I tried to 
look at the drives.  Same error on ALL drives.  Now I'm freaking out a 
bit.  :/  Oh, for you folks who use LABELS like me, write down which 
partition is what.  If cfdisk doesn't work, you can't tell what 
partition is what.  ;-)  Anyway, while in there I finally started 
mounting partitions and seeing what files were there until I figured 
out what was what, at least for root and boot.  When I did my ls on 
/boot, the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which 
is not mounted yet.  OK.  Whew!!  That's why grub can't find the 
kernel since it is a symlink to a partition that is not mounted yet.  
I did find two that were actual files and not links.  Thanks goodness 
for being a packrat.  lol


I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE.  
However, I edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it 
boots.  I'm actually typing in it now.


My questions you ask?  Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives 
correctly?  The main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print 
them on the screen, including the DVD burner.  They do show up on the 
second screen where AHCI detects drives.  Next question, why could 
cfdisk not see the drives?  Note, I tried all three drives on my 
system, same error.  I may reboot into the sysrescue thing and try it 
again and write down the error.


I'm going to test on this some more.  I want to figure this out in 
case there is something wrong or I run into this again and can't get 
cfdisk to work.  I'm also going to print my partition layout too.  lol


Oh, from the Gentoo install, cfdisk sees the drives and works 
perfectly.  The only thing I notice is a "*" way out to the right on 
the last partition.  Like this:


sda9   Logical   ext4   [chroot]   61832.05   *

I'm not sure what the "*" means tho.  Any ideas?  That is where I do 
my builds for a 32 bit install hence the label.  It is not even 
mounted all the time.


Dale

:-)  :-)

P. S.  I'll post back as I test things.  This is weird.  Like me.  ROFL



I booted the sysrescue stick and ran cfdisk again.  This is the error:

FATAL ERROR:  Bad primary partition 3:  Partition ends in the final 
partial cylinder

Press any key yada yada.

I ran parted -l, it sees everything fine.  Could it be that cfdisk on 
sysrescue is broken?  If parted didn't see it either then I would think 
something else but . . . .


Going to google now.  Then read up on the manual for my mobo.  o_O  Oh, 
going to figure out this symlink kernel issues too.


Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] laptop desktop serial connection don't work on one direction

[Andrea Conti]

> I have connected the wires by hand, 3-2 and 2-3 but without 5.
> I'll try it again today with 5 connected, and post my findings.

Not having a common ground reference between the two sides could very
well cause the kind of problems you're seeing :)

andrea

[gentoo-user] No man page for traceroute?

[Mick]

Why would there be no traceroute(8) man page on my laptop?

An older x86 box has it and displays it without fuss.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 12:43:06 Dale wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This is weird and I'm not sure what info to give yet.  This is the
> events tho. First, a raccoon got on the power substation transformer
> that supplies power for the whole county, excluding my local city which
> has its own transformer.  So, we lost power.  It was sudden just like a
> power switch.  Yea, this happens regular here and it ticks me to no
> end.  It also ticks off the power company because it is always about 2
> or 3 in the morning when the little farts do this.  Second, my system
> switched to the UPS battery which was beeping and woke me up.  I did a
> normal shutdown and cut everything off.  No problems so far.  Patience.
> o_O
> 
> When the power came back on, I turned on the UPS which turns on the
> modem, router, monitor and everything computer related back on.  I
> waited a few seconds and turned on my rig.  BIOS comes up which I wasn't
> really looking at, then Grub prompt.  I hit enter and got the "file not
> found" thing.  Well, this is weird.  So, I hit a key to try a older
> kernel, I keep several older versions around just in case.  Same error.
> Hmmm.  I did a reset and noticed the BIOS is NOT seeing a single drive
> connected, NOT ONE.  What !!  I enter the BIOS and go to the drive
> section and try to get it to detect them, nothing.  Surely three hard
> drives and a DVD burner can't all go out at exactly the same time.
> Well, after scratching my head a bit, I reset the BIOS to defaults,
> which should be about what it is anyway since I don't overclock.  Still
> same grub error.
> 
> After a bit, I loaded sysrescue from the USB stick.  I thought maybe
> grub updated and it was having issues so was planning to chroot in and
> fix it.  Here comes a funny part.  When I did a cat /proc/partitions
> from sysrescue, all my drives and partitions were there even tho the
> BIOS didn't see them.  However, cfdisk gave me a error when I tried to
> look at the drives.  Same error on ALL drives.  Now I'm freaking out a
> bit.  :/  Oh, for you folks who use LABELS like me, write down which
> partition is what.  If cfdisk doesn't work, you can't tell what
> partition is what.  ;-)  Anyway, while in there I finally started
> mounting partitions and seeing what files were there until I figured out
> what was what, at least for root and boot.  When I did my ls on /boot,
> the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not
> mounted yet.  OK.  Whew!!  That's why grub can't find the kernel since
> it is a symlink to a partition that is not mounted yet.  I did find two
> that were actual files and not links.  Thanks goodness for being a
> packrat.  lol
> 
> I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE.  However,
> I edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots.  I'm
> actually typing in it now.
> 
> My questions you ask?  Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly?
> The main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the
> screen, including the DVD burner.  They do show up on the second screen
> where AHCI detects drives.  Next question, why could cfdisk not see the
> drives?  Note, I tried all three drives on my system, same error.  I may
> reboot into the sysrescue thing and try it again and write down the error.
> 
> I'm going to test on this some more.  I want to figure this out in case
> there is something wrong or I run into this again and can't get cfdisk
> to work.  I'm also going to print my partition layout too.  lol
> 
> Oh, from the Gentoo install, cfdisk sees the drives and works
> perfectly.  The only thing I notice is a "*" way out to the right on the
> last partition.  Like this:
> 
> sda9   Logical   ext4   [chroot]   61832.05   *
> 
> I'm not sure what the "*" means tho.  Any ideas?  That is where I do my
> builds for a 32 bit install hence the label.  It is not even mounted all
> the time.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 
> P. S.  I'll post back as I test things.  This is weird.  Like me.  ROFL

Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the drives?

I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux files from /boot (I 
don't understand it).  In /boot you should have the image files themselves of 
your desired kernels (plus corresponding System and .config files).
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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[gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty

[Dale]

Hi,

This is weird and I'm not sure what info to give yet.  This is the 
events tho. First, a raccoon got on the power substation transformer 
that supplies power for the whole county, excluding my local city which 
has its own transformer.  So, we lost power.  It was sudden just like a 
power switch.  Yea, this happens regular here and it ticks me to no 
end.  It also ticks off the power company because it is always about 2 
or 3 in the morning when the little farts do this.  Second, my system 
switched to the UPS battery which was beeping and woke me up.  I did a 
normal shutdown and cut everything off.  No problems so far.  Patience.  
o_O


When the power came back on, I turned on the UPS which turns on the 
modem, router, monitor and everything computer related back on.  I 
waited a few seconds and turned on my rig.  BIOS comes up which I wasn't 
really looking at, then Grub prompt.  I hit enter and got the "file not 
found" thing.  Well, this is weird.  So, I hit a key to try a older 
kernel, I keep several older versions around just in case.  Same error.  
Hmmm.  I did a reset and noticed the BIOS is NOT seeing a single drive 
connected, NOT ONE.  What !!  I enter the BIOS and go to the drive 
section and try to get it to detect them, nothing.  Surely three hard 
drives and a DVD burner can't all go out at exactly the same time.  
Well, after scratching my head a bit, I reset the BIOS to defaults, 
which should be about what it is anyway since I don't overclock.  Still 
same grub error.


After a bit, I loaded sysrescue from the USB stick.  I thought maybe 
grub updated and it was having issues so was planning to chroot in and 
fix it.  Here comes a funny part.  When I did a cat /proc/partitions 
from sysrescue, all my drives and partitions were there even tho the 
BIOS didn't see them.  However, cfdisk gave me a error when I tried to 
look at the drives.  Same error on ALL drives.  Now I'm freaking out a 
bit.  :/  Oh, for you folks who use LABELS like me, write down which 
partition is what.  If cfdisk doesn't work, you can't tell what 
partition is what.  ;-)  Anyway, while in there I finally started 
mounting partitions and seeing what files were there until I figured out 
what was what, at least for root and boot.  When I did my ls on /boot, 
the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not 
mounted yet.  OK.  Whew!!  That's why grub can't find the kernel since 
it is a symlink to a partition that is not mounted yet.  I did find two 
that were actual files and not links.  Thanks goodness for being a 
packrat.  lol


I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE.  However, 
I edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots.  I'm 
actually typing in it now.


My questions you ask?  Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly?  
The main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the 
screen, including the DVD burner.  They do show up on the second screen 
where AHCI detects drives.  Next question, why could cfdisk not see the 
drives?  Note, I tried all three drives on my system, same error.  I may 
reboot into the sysrescue thing and try it again and write down the error.


I'm going to test on this some more.  I want to figure this out in case 
there is something wrong or I run into this again and can't get cfdisk 
to work.  I'm also going to print my partition layout too.  lol


Oh, from the Gentoo install, cfdisk sees the drives and works 
perfectly.  The only thing I notice is a "*" way out to the right on the 
last partition.  Like this:


sda9   Logical   ext4   [chroot]   61832.05   *

I'm not sure what the "*" means tho.  Any ideas?  That is where I do my 
builds for a 32 bit install hence the label.  It is not even mounted all 
the time.


Dale

:-)  :-)

P. S.  I'll post back as I test things.  This is weird.  Like me.  ROFL

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...

[meino . cramer]

Jesús J. Guerrero Botella  [11-11-06 12:32]:
> If I am understanding the problem, maybe what you should do is to
> choose a window manager that can disable a given binding when the
> focus is at a given window (blender, in this case). I think fvwm can
> do this, but it takes some learning to use it with proficiency.
> 
> In any case, there will always be shortcomings to this. While you are
> working at blender you will surely sometimes activate that  key combo
> hoping for the blender functionality, but sometimes you will forget
> you are working with it and hence you will expect that combo to take
> you to another desktop. The only real solution is mind-reading, which
> computer will handle someday, but not quite yet.
> 
> In the while, what I suggest you is to use saner bindings. In a pc the
> mod4/win key does nothing useful, if you become accustomed to use it
> for all your WM bindings there will not be conflicts with most
> applications, probably. That's what I do. Learning some WMs can be
> time consuming, but configuring the keybindings is usually quick
> enough.
> -- 
> Jesús Guerrero Botella
> 

Hi Jesús,

yes, seems to be the only way to... :)

Sideeffect: There is no mod4/win on my keyboard... ;) ... I am
using an IBM model M of 1988...a time, when win-keys where 
pure science fiction.

Buth this doesn't nullify the idea of "make all keybindings unique"
in any way!

It seems there is a lot of work ahead for me :)

Thank you for your help and for your understanding!
Have a nice sunday!
Best regards,
mcc

Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to access bugs.gentoo.org

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 11:35:47 Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 11:17:16 Graham Murray wrote:
> > Mick  writes:
> > > On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 08:48:45 Graham Murray wrote:
> > >> For the last day or so, every time I try to access b.g.o I get an OCSP
> > >> error "(Error code: sec_error_ocsp_bad_http_response)" in firefox. I
> > >> have seen this error before but it is normally transient and only
> > >> lasts a few minutes.
> > >> 
> > >> Are others seeing this or is it a problem at my end? Other https sites
> > >> load with no problem.
> > > 
> > > What is the setting of:
> > >   security.OCSP.disable_button.managecrl
> > > 
> > > when you type about:config and enter OCSP in the search field?
> > 
> > It is set to 'false'. All the other options containing OCSP are set to
> > 'true'
> 
> What are these?
> 
> Under 'Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Validation' have you unticked the "When an
> OCSP server connection fails, treat the certificate as invalid"?

Also, I forgot to say, under Preferences/Advanced/View Certificates, can you 
delete any expired bugs.gentoo.org certificates, that you may have accumulated 
over the years.
-- 
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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to access bugs.gentoo.org

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 11:17:16 Graham Murray wrote:
> Mick  writes:
> > On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 08:48:45 Graham Murray wrote:
> >> For the last day or so, every time I try to access b.g.o I get an OCSP
> >> error "(Error code: sec_error_ocsp_bad_http_response)" in firefox. I
> >> have seen this error before but it is normally transient and only lasts
> >> a few minutes.
> >> 
> >> Are others seeing this or is it a problem at my end? Other https sites
> >> load with no problem.
> > 
> > What is the setting of:
> >   security.OCSP.disable_button.managecrl
> > 
> > when you type about:config and enter OCSP in the search field?
> 
> It is set to 'false'. All the other options containing OCSP are set to
> 'true'

What are these?

Under 'Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Validation' have you unticked the "When an 
OCSP server connection fails, treat the certificate as invalid"?
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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...

[Jesús J . Guerrero Botella]

If I am understanding the problem, maybe what you should do is to
choose a window manager that can disable a given binding when the
focus is at a given window (blender, in this case). I think fvwm can
do this, but it takes some learning to use it with proficiency.

In any case, there will always be shortcomings to this. While you are
working at blender you will surely sometimes activate that  key combo
hoping for the blender functionality, but sometimes you will forget
you are working with it and hence you will expect that combo to take
you to another desktop. The only real solution is mind-reading, which
computer will handle someday, but not quite yet.

In the while, what I suggest you is to use saner bindings. In a pc the
mod4/win key does nothing useful, if you become accustomed to use it
for all your WM bindings there will not be conflicts with most
applications, probably. That's what I do. Learning some WMs can be
time consuming, but configuring the keybindings is usually quick
enough.
-- 
Jesús Guerrero Botella

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...

[meino . cramer]

Albert W. Hopkins  [11-11-06 12:08]:
> On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 07:45 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The problem for which I am looking for a workaround is not based on 
> > a bug -- it is a logical problem.
> > 
> > I am using session manager like KDE/Gnome/XFCE and others but openbox
> > as a window manager.
> > 
> > The mapping of keystrokes to certain funtionalities is a common
> > feature or most applications nowadays.
> > 
> > And with this keymappings there come the conflicting of keymappings
> > into existence...
> > 
> > With openbox I have mapped Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right to next-desktop
> > and previous-desktop.
> > When starting blender, which is a great keymapper also, I know have
> > "lost" the keymapping which is mapped to Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right,
> > since openbox catches this one and blender does not get a glimpse of
> > it.
> > 
> > The remapping of "lost keymaps" not always helps, since often used
> > functions are mapped to key combos, which can be reached easily. Those
> > are used often and therefore overlap often.
> > 
> > Remapping to avoid conflicts then led to situations where a simple
> > "del-char" of an editor is mapped to something awful like
> >  (exaggerated...;)
> > 
> > Since there is one rule in the internet: "You are not the first person
> > haveing a certain problem..." I dare to ask   :) .
> > 
> > Is there any way to ease this situation?
> > 
> > Thank you very much in advance for any help! Have nice sunday!
> > Best regards,
> > mcc
> 
> What a immensely long way to ask a simple question!
> 
> Here's the simple (and brief answer):
> 
> You can't have an app and window manager use the same keybindings.
> AFAIK the window manager will always win.  Best solution is to change
> the bindings of one or the other.
> 
> Personally, I'd cjamge.  (CTRL-Left/Right) is simply too "simple" of a
> keybinding to have grabbed at the window manager level.  I actually use
> CTRL-ALT-Up/Down to switch (vertical) workspaces.  I believe
> CTRL-ALT-Arrow_keys is the default on most window managers because it's
> "sane", which the openbox setting is not.
> 
> 

The question was not that simple as this answer implies and which
convice me again and again to send postings which explain in detail
what I really mean.

Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to access bugs.gentoo.org

[Graham Murray]

Mick  writes:

> On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 08:48:45 Graham Murray wrote:
>> For the last day or so, every time I try to access b.g.o I get an OCSP
>> error "(Error code: sec_error_ocsp_bad_http_response)" in firefox. I
>> have seen this error before but it is normally transient and only lasts
>> a few minutes.
>> 
>> Are others seeing this or is it a problem at my end? Other https sites
>> load with no problem.
>
> What is the setting of:
>
>   security.OCSP.disable_button.managecrl
>
> when you type about:config and enter OCSP in the search field?

It is set to 'false'. All the other options containing OCSP are set to
'true'

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...

[Albert W. Hopkins]

On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 07:45 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The problem for which I am looking for a workaround is not based on 
> a bug -- it is a logical problem.
> 
> I am using session manager like KDE/Gnome/XFCE and others but openbox
> as a window manager.
> 
> The mapping of keystrokes to certain funtionalities is a common
> feature or most applications nowadays.
> 
> And with this keymappings there come the conflicting of keymappings
> into existence...
> 
> With openbox I have mapped Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right to next-desktop
> and previous-desktop.
> When starting blender, which is a great keymapper also, I know have
> "lost" the keymapping which is mapped to Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right,
> since openbox catches this one and blender does not get a glimpse of
> it.
> 
> The remapping of "lost keymaps" not always helps, since often used
> functions are mapped to key combos, which can be reached easily. Those
> are used often and therefore overlap often.
> 
> Remapping to avoid conflicts then led to situations where a simple
> "del-char" of an editor is mapped to something awful like
>  (exaggerated...;)
> 
> Since there is one rule in the internet: "You are not the first person
> haveing a certain problem..." I dare to ask   :) .
> 
> Is there any way to ease this situation?
> 
> Thank you very much in advance for any help! Have nice sunday!
> Best regards,
> mcc

What a immensely long way to ask a simple question!

Here's the simple (and brief answer):

You can't have an app and window manager use the same keybindings.
AFAIK the window manager will always win.  Best solution is to change
the bindings of one or the other.

Personally, I'd cjamge.  (CTRL-Left/Right) is simply too "simple" of a
keybinding to have grabbed at the window manager level.  I actually use
CTRL-ALT-Up/Down to switch (vertical) workspaces.  I believe
CTRL-ALT-Arrow_keys is the default on most window managers because it's
"sane", which the openbox setting is not.

Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to access bugs.gentoo.org

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 08:48:45 Graham Murray wrote:
> For the last day or so, every time I try to access b.g.o I get an OCSP
> error "(Error code: sec_error_ocsp_bad_http_response)" in firefox. I
> have seen this error before but it is normally transient and only lasts
> a few minutes.
> 
> Are others seeing this or is it a problem at my end? Other https sites
> load with no problem.

What is the setting of:

  security.OCSP.disable_button.managecrl

when you type about:config and enter OCSP in the search field?
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] laptop desktop serial connection don't work on one direction

[Maciej Grela]

2011/11/5  :
> Pardon my top post please.
>
> You'll have too ensure that you have only three wires. Line 2 to 3, line 3
> to 2 and line 5 straight through. I don't think you'll be able to get bi
> directional serial links if you have the other hardware lines connected.
>

When you have a simple cable like that make sure to disable hardware
flow control on *both* sides. This is a mistake I was always making in
the past.

Best regards,
Maciej Grela

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge dependence question

[Zhang Jun]

 # eselect editor list
Available targets for the EDITOR variable:
  [1]   /bin/nano
  [2]   /bin/ed
  [3]   /usr/bin/ex
  [4]   /usr/bin/vi
  [ ]   (free form)


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:56:50 +0800, Zhang Jun wrote:
>
> > # emerge -pvutDN world
> >
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > [nomerge   ] app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg png
> > xft xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod
> > -kerberos -livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff
> > -toolkit-scroll-bars" [nomerge   ]
> > app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2-r2  USE="X -emacs22icons"
> > [ebuild  N ]   virtual/emacs-23  0 kB
> > [ebuild  N ]app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg
> > png xft xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod
> > -kerberos -livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff
> > -toolkit-scroll-bars" 37,842 kB
> > [ebuild  N ] app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2-r2  USE="X
> > -emacs22icons" 46 kB
>
> Something wants emacs, but it doesn't appear to be any of your installed
> package. What doe "eselect editor list" show?
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> *Libra*: /(Sept 23--Oct 23)/ An unfortunate typo on your application
> results in your being accepted into the Legion Of Superherpes.
>

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge dependence question

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:56:50 +0800, Zhang Jun wrote:

> # emerge -pvutDN world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [nomerge   ] app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg png
> xft xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod
> -kerberos -livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff
> -toolkit-scroll-bars" [nomerge   ]
> app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2-r2  USE="X -emacs22icons"
> [ebuild  N ]   virtual/emacs-23  0 kB
> [ebuild  N ]app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg
> png xft xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod
> -kerberos -livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff
> -toolkit-scroll-bars" 37,842 kB
> [ebuild  N ] app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2-r2  USE="X
> -emacs22icons" 46 kB

Something wants emacs, but it doesn't appear to be any of your installed
package. What doe "eselect editor list" show?


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[gentoo-user] Unable to access bugs.gentoo.org

[Graham Murray]

For the last day or so, every time I try to access b.g.o I get an OCSP
error "(Error code: sec_error_ocsp_bad_http_response)" in firefox. I
have seen this error before but it is normally transient and only lasts
a few minutes. 

Are others seeing this or is it a problem at my end? Other https sites
load with no problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] lpng14 - mess

[Mick]

On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 02:14:02 Joseph wrote:
> revdep-rebuild is showing:
> broken /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la (requires -lpng14)
> 
> rebuilding "bgtksourceview" doesn't help.
> find /usr/ -name '*.la' -exec grep png14 {} +
> is finding libgtksourceview-1.0.la
> 
> find /usr/ -name '*.la' -exec grep png14 {} +
> /usr/lib64/libgtksourceview-1.0.la:dependency_libs=' -L/usr/lib64
> -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0
> -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lcairo -lpixman-1 -lpng14 -lXrender
> -lX11 -lXau -lXdmcp -lfreetype -lfontconfig -lgnomeprint-2-2 -lart_lgpl_2
> -lpango-1.0 -lxml2 -lexpat -lz -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lm -ldl
> -lglib-2.0'
> 
> There is a thread on gentoo forum about it, but there seems to me as many
> solution as there a posts :-/ but nothing works:
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-894950-start-75-postdays-0-postorder-
> asc-highlight-.html?sid=6ed9113f9907687bbdfd90b77c7d7ef0
> 
> Anybody know what to do with it?
> Do I just delete the libgtksourceview-1.0.la?

Have you tried:

lafilefixer --justfixit   <--(this is not needed as it is a default setting in 
portage configuration these days, but just in case)

revdep-rebuild --library '/usr/lib64/libpng14.so.14' -- --keep-going

emerge -1av --keep-going $(find /usr \( -name "*.la" -o -name "*.pc" -o -name 
"*-config" -o -name "*.pm" \) -exec grep -H png14 {} \; | cut -d : -f 1 | xargs 
qfile -CSq | sort | uniq)

and a final:

revdep-rebuild -v 

should pick them all up and solve your problem.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge dependence question

[Zhang Jun]

I remove these packages, and then:

# emerge -pvutDN world

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[nomerge   ] app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg png xft
xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod -kerberos
-livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff -toolkit-scroll-bars"
[nomerge   ]  app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2-r2  USE="X
-emacs22icons"
[ebuild  N ]   virtual/emacs-23  0 kB
[ebuild  N ]app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg png
xft xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod
-kerberos -livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff
-toolkit-scroll-bars" 37,842 kB
[ebuild  N ] app-admin/eselect-emacs-1.13  8 kB
[ebuild  N ]  app-admin/eselect-ctags-1.13  0 kB
[ebuild  N ] app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2-r2  USE="X
-emacs22icons" 46 kB


the -t option should display the dependence,
it seems all new packages (N) are needed by
app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2, but app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2 is not installed.


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Joseph  wrote:

> I don't use emacs so running:
> emerge -pv emacs (wants to pull the following pacages on amd64)
> [ebuild  N ] app-admin/eselect-ctags-1.13  8 kB
> [ebuild  N ] app-admin/eselect-emacs-1.13  0 kB
> [ebuild  N ] app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-**1.2-r2  [ebuild  N ]
> app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2   [ebuild  N ] virtual/emacs-23  0 kB
>
> just check which one you have installed and pull down the one you are
> missing.
>
> --
> Joseph
>
>
>
> On 11/06/11 11:56, Zhang Jun wrote:
>
>>  # emerge -pvutDN world
>>
>>  These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
>>
>>  Calculating dependencies... done!
>>  [nomerge   ] app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg png
>>  xft xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod
>>  -kerberos -livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff
>>  -toolkit-scroll-bars"
>>  [nomerge   ]  app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-**1.2-r2  USE="X
>>  -emacs22icons"
>>  [ebuild  N ]   virtual/emacs-23  0 kB
>>  [ebuild  N ]app-editors/emacs-23.3-r2  USE="X gtk gzip-el jpeg
>> png
>>  xft xpm -Xaw3d -alsa (-aqua) -athena -dbus -gconf -gif -gpm -hesiod
>>  -kerberos -livecd -m17n-lib -motif -sound -source -svg -tiff
>>  -toolkit-scroll-bars" 37,842 kB
>>  [ebuild  N ] app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-**1.2-r2  USE="X
>>  -emacs22icons" 46 kB
>>
>>  Total: 3 packages (3 new), Size of downloads: 37,888 kB
>>
>>  question is, which package makes emerge want to install emacs ?
>>  I used to use emacs from portage, but just unmerged it, want to use a
>>  special version from dev source.
>>
>>  thanks!
>>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] laptop desktop serial connection don't work on one direction

[Kfir Lavi]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:57 PM,  wrote:

> Pardon my top post please.
>
> You'll have too ensure that you have only three wires. Line 2 to 3, line 3
> to 2 and line 5 straight through. I don't think you'll be able to get bi
> directional serial links if you have the other hardware lines connected.
>
> I have connected the wires by hand, 3-2 and 2-3 but without 5.
I'll try it again today with 5 connected, and post my findings.

Regards,
Kfir

>
>
>
> -- Sent from my HP TouchPad
> --
> On Nov 5, 2011 3:17 AM, Mick  wrote:
> On Saturday 05 Nov 2011 09:20:19 Kfir Lavi wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I have a problem connecting my laptop to my server at home with a serial
> > cable.
> > I have cable end for /dev/ttyS0 and 2 cable ends for /dev/ttyUSB0.
> > This lets me test the connection between all serial outputs.
> > Desktop1-minicom <-> Desktop2-minicom
> > works with all connections, i.e ttyUSB0 <-> ttyUSB0, or ttyS0 <->
> ttyUSB0
> > and viseversa.
> > So when connecting 2 desktop computers everything works as expected.
> >
> > The problem:
> > When I connect my laptop to any of those desktops, I get just one way
> > connection!
> > If I swap the sides of the cable, the one way connection switch side.
> > The laptop doesn't have ttyS0, so it have to be connected via ttyUSB0
> > When I swap sides, it is just between two usb dongles.
> >
> > The usb dongles are PL2303 both sides.
> > Settings of minicom is 38400 8n1 Hardware Flow Control=OFF
> >
> > Laptop setserial:
> > setserial -a /dev/ttyUSB0
> > /dev/ttyUSB0, Line 0, UART: 16654, Port: 0x, IRQ: 0
> > Baud_base: 460800, close_delay: 0, divisor: 0
> > closing_wait: infinte
> > Flags: spd_normal
> >
> > Desktop1 setserial:
> > setserial -a /dev/ttyS0
> > /dev/ttyS0, Line 0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
> > Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
> > closing_wait: 3000
> > Flags: spd_normal skip_test
> >
> > setserial -a /dev/ttyUSB0
> > /dev/ttyUSB0, Line 0, UART: 16654, Port: 0x, IRQ: 0
> > Baud_base: 460800, close_delay: 0, divisor: 0
> > closing_wait: infinte
> > Flags: spd_normal
> >
> > I tried to add the skip_test but this seems to be not working.
> > I'm not sure what to do next.
> >
> > Any help will be appreciated,
> > Thanks,
> > Kfir
>
> I think that you will need the pin mapping of a 'null modem' to be able to
> have bidirectional connectivity.
>
> Have a look here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem
>
> I think I still have an RS-232 to D9 null modem adaptor somewhere in my
> bins
> of spares.
>
> HTH.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge --update won't solve bind?

[Hartmut Figge]

Pandu Poluan:

>I recommend using package.use and package.accept_keyword files in
>/etc/portage rather than specifying them on the command line.

After finding them with the help of the command line. ;)

Hartmut
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge --update won't solve bind?

[Pandu Poluan]

On Nov 6, 2011 12:54 PM, "Hartmut Figge"  wrote:
>
> G.Wolfe Woodbury:
>
> >>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
> >> berkdb? ( dlz ) ldap? ( dlz )
> >>
> >>   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete
expression:
> >> postgres? ( dlz ) berkdb? ( dlz ) mysql? ( dlz !threads ) odbc? (
> >> dlz ) ldap? ( dlz ) sdb-ldap? ( dlz ) gost? ( ssl )
>
> I am getting these messages after
> hafi@i5 ~ $ ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv bind
>
> >Hints on solving this one would be appreciated.
>
> hafi@i5 ~ $ USE="dlz" ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -pv bind
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N ] net-dns/bind-9.8.1  USE="berkdb dlz doc ipv6 ssl xml
> -caps -geoip -gost -gssapi -idn -ldap -mysql -odbc -pkcs11 -postgres
> -rpz -sdb-ldap (-selinux) -threads -urandom" 8,275 kB
>
> Total: 1 package (1 new), Size of downloads: 8,275 kB
>

I recommend using package.use and package.accept_keyword files in
/etc/portage rather than specifying them on the command line.

That way, you can fully document your installs (the files in /etc/portage
accept #hash comments), helping you understand why you specified certain
keywords and/or use flags.

Rgds,