[gentoo-user] app-misc/ca-certificates
125 config files in /etc/ssl/certs needs update. For certificates I would expect the old and invalid ones to be replaced by newer ones without user intervention. bb.zven
[gentoo-user] why libera?
hi. i personally think gentoo should've gone to OFTC instead of libera, because: - OFTC is the true libera, thanks to its better tor support, which is not surprising as it is the home of the tor project. - OFTC has more users at the moment, and is specifically designed for FOSS projects. - OFTC is older than libera, with less problems to solve. despite libera being called after liberty in latin, its tor support is hypocritical, as it requires registering SASL over an un-tor-ed connection, hence revealing your IP address, which defeats the whole point of tor (hiding your IP address). OFTC, on the other hand, is the home of the tor project, and has best tor support. so, in a sense, OFTC is the true libera. the only reason that i can think of that would explain why a group of people would create libera, is because their /hobby/ is to maintain IRC servers. i'm not for freenode either. the latest move was unacceptable, and it's good that people started leaving freenode, to show the new owners that while they can purchase a bunch of servers and domain names, they cannot purchase people. so i like that this freenode drama happened. but i dislike that we solved it by creating libera. i think we should've solved it by going the simpler solution: go to what already exists, and already has more liberty (more tor friendliness): OFTC. but, what happened is that we -instead- went to the freenode copy-cat, with the same hypocritical tor support, aka libera, which is as far away from liberty as freenode was away from free. while this subject is still warm and in the making, i recommend gentoo to change its opinion ans switch to the OFTC. rgrds, cm.
Re: [gentoo-user] why libera?
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 6:10 PM Michael Cook wrote: > > Tor simply introduce too much chance of abuse. If people didn't abuse > it, it wouldn't be blocked. > Yeah, as much as I love it, this service obviously is going to be abused, especially for something like IRC. Really though the main reason they went with Libera was that it was a much simpler move. Libera was basically feature-complete, while OFTC lacks namespaces and channel management features. They're looking to change that, but Libera was a drop-in replacement. Gentoo has a LOT of IRC channels and managing them all would be painful on OFTC. You also have the issue of nick collisions. Having everybody change nicks would be inconvenient, and chances are there would be collisions across the networks. A Gentoo dev can't very well expect somebody on OFTC to give up their nick that they were using perhaps for many years. Libera was new so collisions were unlikely unless it was intentional abuse. We did have a case of that, but the Libera admins were happy to fix that (only one case I've heard of and it was obvious abuse with many Gentoo nicks being registered to one person). There was also some discussion about moving to something other than IRC as a primary communications medium. The general sense was that this was going to be more controversial, that alternatives had some issues, and again Libera was an easy drop-in replacement. Supporting some other network or technology down the road is always something that could happen, either as an alternative or primary home. However, the general sense was that it would make more sense to just consider that and transition in a more orderly way down the road. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] why libera?
On 5/28/21 2:44 PM, caveman رَجُلُ الْكَهْفِ 穴居人 wrote: hi. i personally think gentoo should've gone to OFTC instead of libera, because: - OFTC is the true libera, thanks to its better tor support, which is not surprising as it is the home of the tor project. - OFTC has more users at the moment, and is specifically designed for FOSS projects. - OFTC is older than libera, with less problems to solve. despite libera being called after liberty in latin, its tor support is hypocritical, as it requires registering SASL over an un-tor-ed connection, hence revealing your IP address, which defeats the whole point of tor (hiding your IP address). OFTC, on the other hand, is the home of the tor project, and has best tor support. so, in a sense, OFTC is the true libera. the only reason that i can think of that would explain why a group of people would create libera, is because their /hobby/ is to maintain IRC servers. i'm not for freenode either. the latest move was unacceptable, and it's good that people started leaving freenode, to show the new owners that while they can purchase a bunch of servers and domain names, they cannot purchase people. so i like that this freenode drama happened. but i dislike that we solved it by creating libera. i think we should've solved it by going the simpler solution: go to what already exists, and already has more liberty (more tor friendliness): OFTC. but, what happened is that we -instead- went to the freenode copy-cat, with the same hypocritical tor support, aka libera, which is as far away from liberty as freenode was away from free. while this subject is still warm and in the making, i recommend gentoo to change its opinion ans switch to the OFTC. rgrds, cm. Tor simply introduce too much chance of abuse. If people didn't abuse it, it wouldn't be blocked.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qustions re Dell M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drives under Gentoo
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 09:13:40AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > I don't know what happened between last year and now, but Dell's > XPS8940's now all seem to come with NVME (expensive) and fancy-shmancy > Nvidia (i.e expensive) video. Also, reading the specs on the website > *V-E-R-R-R-R-Y* carefully, I see that the XPS machines come mostly with > *ONLY* 256 or 512 gig solid state drives; no SATA drive. On the other > hand a $600 CAD (on sale) Inspiron desktop with... > > * 10th Gen Intel® Core# i5-10400 processor > * Intel® UHD Graphics 630 with shared graphics memory > * 12GB ram > * 1TB 7200RPM 3.5" SATA HDD > > ...looks very attractive. I'm not a gamer so supper speed isn't an > issue. I also vaguely remember years ago having to build in binary > modules into the kernel for Nvidia video. This meant I couldn't upgrade > to the latest kernel until Nvidia came out with the appropriate binary > video driver. Is that still a thing? Thanks for everybody's replies. While NVME seems to be OK (and fast), the 512 G disk space limitation is a potential issue. How much do 1-terabyte SSD's cost? I've ordered the Inspiron above. At CAD $600+tax how can you lose? 8 G ram on the older machine was more than enough, so 12 G should last for a while. I'm looking at home use, email, large spreadsheets, some convoluted bash scripting, web-surfing, and streaming including Netflix (720p) and Youtube (1080p), etc. My next machine after this one will probably have NVME, by which time the cost of a 1-terabyte SSD will have hopefully come down to something reasonable. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Qustions re Dell M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drives under Gentoo
> Anything with spinning disk "is obsolete" they are trying to give it > way because nobody is buying them (you can buy them for few dollars), > don't expect it to last long. I've never had a hard drive fail on me. That includes a 2008 core2 duo that I shut down last autumn. Web surfing was getting painfully slow, and really large spreadsheets were dying in 3 gigabytes of ram, but otherwise it still worked. 256 G SSD is not enough for me now. That takes us into 512 G SSD territory, which will be "adequate" for now, but who knows about my future needs. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Qustions re Dell M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drives under Gentoo
Hello, Walter. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 17:05:07 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > It was nice to have a newer "hot backup" (XPS8940) to switch over to > quickly when an older machine started locking up occasionally. Now I > need a "hot backup" for the newer machine that I ordered last October. > Dell Inspirons seem to top out at 12 gigs ram, so I'm looking for an XPS > model in order to get more ram as the bloating of linux continues. All > current XPS models seem to have 256G or 512G M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State > drives in the base configuration. Questions... > * do NVMe drives function well under Gentoo (driver issues, etc)? Yes. Without reservation. You need to enable NVMe in the kernel, and there is a user-level program for doing things to them (like checking number of reads/writes). There is no great problem setting up a boot loader, any more than for any other sort of drive. > * how long do they hold up (wear and tear)? I've had a pair of Samsung 500Gb nvmes in RAID-1 in my 4 year old machine since it was new. As yet I've had no problems with them. In fact, the machine has never known spinning rust. > * can I simply disable them if I run into problems? If you've got something to fall back onto, yes. > If someone can suggest an alternate supplier to Dell, that ships to > greater Toronto, at similar prices, I'd be willing to take a look at > them. I can't comment at all on that. I built my machine from components. The only slightly tricky bit was finding a PCIe card to hold the second NVMe drive. > -- > Walter Dnes > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Qustions re Dell M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drives under Gentoo
On 5/28/21 8:16 AM, the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > On 5/28/21 7:13 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:11:51PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote >>> On 5/27/21 3:05 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: It was nice to have a newer "hot backup" (XPS8940) to switch over to quickly when an older machine started locking up occasionally. Now I need a "hot backup" for the newer machine that I ordered last October. Dell Inspirons seem to top out at 12 gigs ram, so I'm looking for an XPS model in order to get more ram as the bloating of linux continues. All current XPS models seem to have 256G or 512G M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State drives in the base configuration. Questions... * do NVMe drives function well under Gentoo (driver issues, etc)? * how long do they hold up (wear and tear)? * can I simply disable them if I run into problems? If someone can suggest an alternate supplier to Dell, that ships to greater Toronto, at similar prices, I'd be willing to take a look at them. >>> >>> Checking out XPS8940 (about 1799.00CAD) it seems to me expensive. They did >>> not mention if the NVME is Gen. 3 or Gen. 4 >> >> I don't know what happened between last year and now, but Dell's >> XPS8940's now all seem to come with NVME (expensive) and fancy-shmancy >> Nvidia (i.e expensive) video. Also, reading the specs on the website >> *V-E-R-R-R-R-Y* carefully, I see that the XPS machines come mostly with >> *ONLY* 256 or 512 gig solid state drives; no SATA drive. On the other >> hand a $600 CAD (on sale) Inspiron desktop with... >> >> * 10th Gen Intel® Core# i5-10400 processor >> * Intel® UHD Graphics 630 with shared graphics memory >> * 12GB ram >> * 1TB 7200RPM 3.5" SATA HDD > > Anything with spinning disk "is obsolete" they are trying to give it way > because nobody is buying them (you can buy them for few dollars), don't > expect it to last long. In a remote location I have ATOM-box 500GB SSD running asterisk, hylafax and is a backup unit; it is running 24/7 since 2014. The only thing I changed few times is the External Power supply few times.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qustions re Dell M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drives under Gentoo
On 5/28/21 7:13 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:11:51PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote >> On 5/27/21 3:05 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >>> It was nice to have a newer "hot backup" (XPS8940) to switch over to >>> quickly when an older machine started locking up occasionally. Now I >>> need a "hot backup" for the newer machine that I ordered last October. >>> Dell Inspirons seem to top out at 12 gigs ram, so I'm looking for an XPS >>> model in order to get more ram as the bloating of linux continues. All >>> current XPS models seem to have 256G or 512G M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State >>> drives in the base configuration. Questions... >>> >>> * do NVMe drives function well under Gentoo (driver issues, etc)? >>> >>> * how long do they hold up (wear and tear)? >>> >>> * can I simply disable them if I run into problems? >>> >>> If someone can suggest an alternate supplier to Dell, that ships to >>> greater Toronto, at similar prices, I'd be willing to take a look at >>> them. >> >> Checking out XPS8940 (about 1799.00CAD) it seems to me expensive. They did >> not mention if the NVME is Gen. 3 or Gen. 4 > > I don't know what happened between last year and now, but Dell's > XPS8940's now all seem to come with NVME (expensive) and fancy-shmancy > Nvidia (i.e expensive) video. Also, reading the specs on the website > *V-E-R-R-R-R-Y* carefully, I see that the XPS machines come mostly with > *ONLY* 256 or 512 gig solid state drives; no SATA drive. On the other > hand a $600 CAD (on sale) Inspiron desktop with... > > * 10th Gen Intel® Core# i5-10400 processor > * Intel® UHD Graphics 630 with shared graphics memory > * 12GB ram > * 1TB 7200RPM 3.5" SATA HDD Anything with spinning disk "is obsolete" they are trying to give it way because nobody is buying them (you can buy them for few dollars), don't expect it to last long.
Re: [gentoo-user] Qustions re Dell M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drives under Gentoo
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:11:51PM -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote > On 5/27/21 3:05 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > It was nice to have a newer "hot backup" (XPS8940) to switch over to > > quickly when an older machine started locking up occasionally. Now I > > need a "hot backup" for the newer machine that I ordered last October. > > Dell Inspirons seem to top out at 12 gigs ram, so I'm looking for an XPS > > model in order to get more ram as the bloating of linux continues. All > > current XPS models seem to have 256G or 512G M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State > > drives in the base configuration. Questions... > > > > * do NVMe drives function well under Gentoo (driver issues, etc)? > > > > * how long do they hold up (wear and tear)? > > > > * can I simply disable them if I run into problems? > > > > If someone can suggest an alternate supplier to Dell, that ships to > > greater Toronto, at similar prices, I'd be willing to take a look at > > them. > > Checking out XPS8940 (about 1799.00CAD) it seems to me expensive. They did > not mention if the NVME is Gen. 3 or Gen. 4 I don't know what happened between last year and now, but Dell's XPS8940's now all seem to come with NVME (expensive) and fancy-shmancy Nvidia (i.e expensive) video. Also, reading the specs on the website *V-E-R-R-R-R-Y* carefully, I see that the XPS machines come mostly with *ONLY* 256 or 512 gig solid state drives; no SATA drive. On the other hand a $600 CAD (on sale) Inspiron desktop with... * 10th Gen Intel® Core# i5-10400 processor * Intel® UHD Graphics 630 with shared graphics memory * 12GB ram * 1TB 7200RPM 3.5" SATA HDD ...looks very attractive. I'm not a gamer so supper speed isn't an issue. I also vaguely remember years ago having to build in binary modules into the kernel for Nvidia video. This meant I couldn't upgrade to the latest kernel until Nvidia came out with the appropriate binary video driver. Is that still a thing? -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo IRC presence moving to Libera Chat
hi. any reason why you guys didn't go to OFTC instead of libera? despite libera being called after liberty in latin, its tor support is hypocritical, as it requires registering SASL over an un-tor-ed connection, hence revealing your IP address, which defeats the whole point of tor (hiding your IP address). OFTC, on the other hand, is the home of the tor project, and has best tor support. so, in a sense, OFTC is the true libera. rgrds, cm.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo IRC presence moving to Libera Chat
On May 28, 2021 5:50:32 AM GMT+02:00, "caveman رَجُلُ الْكَهْفِ 穴居人" wrote: >hi. any reason why you guys didn't go to OFTC >instead of libera? > >despite libera being called after liberty in latin, >its tor support is hypocritical, as it requires >registering SASL over an un-tor-ed connection, >hence revealing your IP address, which defeats the >whole point of tor (hiding your IP address). >OFTC, on the other hand, is the home of the tor >project, and has best tor support. so, in a >sense, OFTC is the true libera. > >rgrds, >cm. > (I'm not representing Gentoo.) The purpose of Libera Chat is to provide a community platform for libre software and peer directed projects, like Gentoo. Libera means "to set free". Which is the philosophical view of software that it should be free as in free speech, not necessarily as in free beer. It has nothing to with online anonymity. -- Hund
