Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-27 Thread Jürgen Geuter 
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:51 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> IIRC, there was also a similar issue with the name "Pheonix".

I always thought that it could not be called Phoenix anymore because of
the BIOS manufacturer (http://phoenix.com)?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-26 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. 
On Monday 26 February 2007, Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: 
[gentoo-user]  Re: Bon Echo (why?)':
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:27:17 + (UTC)
> Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote:
> > >> but 'IceWeasel' is ugly.  Bon Echo is such a nice name.  
> > >
> > > I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells
> > > me what it is
> >
> > Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name
> > "firefox", then calling it "firefox_alt" is also going to be a
> > trademark violation.
>
> This reminds me of when it was called "FireBird", and then they had to
> change the name becuase of trademark violations or something of the
> sort.

It was actually much less serious.  Firebird is an open-source database 
that's been around (although not that popular) for longer than the mozilla 
project.  The browser graciously decided, after notification (no posturing 
or threatening) by the database team not to overlap the names presumably 
to avoid confusing users.

Now, that decision may have been made for a different reason.  The company 
behind firefox probably wanted to be able to use the name as a 
trademark/brand at some point in the future and the pre-existing project 
may have undermind that.

IIRC, there was also a similar issue with the name "Pheonix".

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-26 Thread Dan Farrell 
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:27:17 + (UTC)
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote:
> >> but 'IceWeasel' is ugly.  Bon Echo is such a nice name.  
> >
> > I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells
> > me what it is
> 
> Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name
> "firefox", then calling it "firefox_alt" is also going to be a
> trademark violation.
> 
This reminds me of when it was called "FireBird", and then they had to
change the name becuase of trademark violations or something of the
sort.  I laughed at the time, thinking how this little fledgling
browser was irritating the supergiants.  Now it's firefox that won't
'share' it's name, even with what is obstensiably the same thing.  It's
amusing.  And wasn't there even another , pre'Firefox' name for the
browser?  
I like the idea of calling it a blatant (but legal) ripoff, like
'FlameVixen' or something.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-25 Thread Iain Buchanan 
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:15 -0500, Willie Wong wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:35:33PM -0700, Penguin Lover Korthrun squawked:
> > Iceweasel for life.
> 
> Getting a bit off topic here...

what is a topic for, if not for getting "off"?!

> But IceWeasel to me means something like "Distant third cousin with
> some contradictory philosophy" to FireFox, like, say, Galeon or
> Kazehakase. 

I agree.  What the hell is Bon Echo to someone who barely knows what
firefox is?!

> I prefer something like FlameCanid that more properly expresses the
> fact that "ours" is almost-exactly-but-not-quite-perfectly-the-same. 

or Flamefox? or Hotfox, or Earthcat or Plasmadonkey, or Iceweasel... oh,
we ruled out that one...

but something that won't change with new firefox releases is a good
idea.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-25 Thread Mark Kirkwood 

Grant Edwards wrote:



If you want it to call itself "Firefox" add mozbranding to your
USE flags.



Thanks for bringing this up! My mother has been a little confused about 
 this "Bon Echo" thing - and (re) emerging with USE="mozbranding" got 
Firefox "back" for her, along with its expected icon.


Cheers

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-25 Thread Willie Wong 
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:35:33PM -0700, Penguin Lover Korthrun squawked:
> Iceweasel for life.

Getting a bit off topic here...

But IceWeasel to me means something like "Distant third cousin with
some contradictory philosophy" to FireFox, like, say, Galeon or
Kazehakase. 

I prefer something like FlameCanid that more properly expresses the
fact that "ours" is almost-exactly-but-not-quite-perfectly-the-same. 

:)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-25 Thread Korthrun 

On 2/25/07, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote:
>> but 'IceWeasel' is ugly. Bon Echo is such a nice name.
>
> I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it
> is

Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name
"firefox", then calling it "firefox_alt" is also going to be a
trademark violation.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-25 Thread Grant Edwards 
On 2007-02-25, Joe Menola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote:
>> but 'IceWeasel' is ugly.  Bon Echo is such a nice name.  
>
> I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it 
> is

Um, if you're not allowed to use the trademarked name
"firefox", then calling it "firefox_alt" is also going to be a
trademark violation.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-25 Thread Joe Menola 
On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:55 pm, Dan Farrell wrote:
> but 'IceWeasel' is ugly.  Bon Echo is such a nice name.  

I'd prefer firefox_alt or something similar. Something that tells me what it 
is

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-25 Thread Dan Farrell 
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:29:24 -0600
»Q« <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In ,
> Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some
> > > branding issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use
> > > Debian's Iceweasel name.  
> > 
> > I agree.  It's confusing that the brand-less name is the same as the
> > development name.
> 
> I don't seen anything about it at bugs.gentoo.org;  you could file a
> bug.  I'm not sure anyone would be motivated to patch it, though.  As
> it is now, (well, AIUI) the USE flag just controls the
> --enable-official-branding switch for compiling and the "Bon Echo" you
> see is just an artifact of the way Mozilla ships its source code.
> 
> I think something other than "Iceweasel" would be preferable,
> since Debian and GNU both have Iceweasel projects.
> 
but 'IceWeasel' is ugly.  Bon Echo is such a nice name.  
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[gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-24 Thread »Q« 
In ,
Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some
> > branding issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use
> > Debian's Iceweasel name.  
> 
> I agree.  It's confusing that the brand-less name is the same as the
> development name.

I don't seen anything about it at bugs.gentoo.org;  you could file a
bug.  I'm not sure anyone would be motivated to patch it, though.  As
it is now, (well, AIUI) the USE flag just controls the
--enable-official-branding switch for compiling and the "Bon Echo" you
see is just an artifact of the way Mozilla ships its source code.

I think something other than "Iceweasel" would be preferable,
since Debian and GNU both have Iceweasel projects.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-24 Thread Grant 

>> As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one
>> emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about
>> box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why?
>>
>
> Some licensing BS or other.
>
>
>> Is really development version of Firefox in Portage, or what?
>>
>
> If you want it to call itself "Firefox" add mozbranding to your
> USE flags.
>
>
Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some branding
issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use Debian's
Iceweasel name.


I agree.  It's confusing that the brand-less name is the same as the
development name.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-24 Thread Gyuszk 
Grant Edwards írta:
> On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Dear gentoo users,
>>
>> As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one
>> emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about
>> box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why?
>> 
>
> Some licensing BS or other.
>
>   
>> Is really development version of Firefox in Portage, or what?
>> 
>
> If you want it to call itself "Firefox" add mozbranding to your
> USE flags.
>
>   
Thanks. I think it is not a good idea to call Firefox (for some branding
issue) its development codename. Maybe Gentoo should use Debian's
Iceweasel name.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-24 Thread Gyuszk 
Thomas Rösner írta:
> Grant Edwards schrieb:
>> On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  
>>> Dear gentoo users,
>>>
>>> As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one
>>> emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about
>>> box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why?
>>> 
>>
>> Some licensing BS or other.
>>   
>
> Trademark Law, to be exact, and Mozilla.com's policy of not allowing
> patched Firefoxes to wear their brand badge. Debian calls it
> Iceweasel. (Ubuntu too?).
>
> Regards,
>T.
>
>
No, Ubuntu has made deal with Mozilla. They can use Firefox and
Thunderbird brands.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-24 Thread Thomas Rösner 

Grant Edwards schrieb:

On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Dear gentoo users,

As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one
emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about
box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why?



Some licensing BS or other.
  


Trademark Law, to be exact, and Mozilla.com's policy of not allowing 
patched Firefoxes to wear their brand badge. Debian calls it Iceweasel. 
(Ubuntu too?).


Regards,
   T.


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[gentoo-user] Re: Bon Echo (why?)

2007-02-24 Thread Grant Edwards 
On 2007-02-24, Gyuszk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear gentoo users,
>
> As you all know, Firefox 2.0.0.2 is stable on x86 in Portage. When one
> emerges it, Gnome menu call, and the software calls itself (in about
> box) Bon Echo (the codename of Firefox 2 development tree). Why?

Some licensing BS or other.

> Is really development version of Firefox in Portage, or what?

If you want it to call itself "Firefox" add mozbranding to your
USE flags.

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