Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 09 May 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 A backup device is just a storage appliance, if should not be
 parochial about the origin of the data it stores.

Agreed. I have gentoo boxes out there that contain backups for 
themselves, other gentoo machines, tens of various Windows machines and 
even the odd Mac or two. Oh yeah, some Ubuntu servers too.

All backup clients write to different directories, based on their 
hostname/IP address. No collisions.

One thing I won't do is backup a Linux machine to a Windows machine as I 
can't easily extract file metadata that way. Windows to Linux is easy 
as Windows is virtually unusable unless the average user does the 
equivalent of this after a restore:

chmod -R 777 /path/to/restored/directory/

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:55:50 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote:
 
  To a backup device? Why?
  
  Don't Windows users need to backup?
 
 No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines.
 
 Why?

Different OS.

 You could equally be saying that Linux users don't need to backup to 
 a drive used for Windows machines. 

Yes, I would say so.

But more interesting: Why should they even be able to backup to the
same drive (or better: to the same filesystem)?

 My partner has to use Windows for 
 work, are you saying we are not allowed to share a backup device?

It just doesn't make sense.

Michael

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:38:51 +0200, Michael Schmarck wrote:

  No. Not to a drive used for backups of Linux machines.  
  
  Why?  
 
 Different OS.

So. We can use the same web pages, read the same email, why not share
hardware?

  My partner has to use Windows for 
  work, are you saying we are not allowed to share a backup device?  
 
 It just doesn't make sense.

So if I have a Linux box, a Windows box and a Mac and want to backup to
an external drive, you say I must buy three drives when one will do?
Should I buy a fourth drive for my Palm Treo?

Do I need separate rsync.net accounts too?

A backup device is just a storage appliance, if should not be parochial
about the origin of the data it stores.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: back up gentoo system

2008-05-09 Thread Ian Hilt

On Fri, 9 May 2008 at 10:51pm +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:


A backup device is just a storage appliance, if should not be parochial
about the origin of the data it stores.


hmmm ... parochial


#include wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

main()
{
printf(%s, parochial);
}

$ gcc parochial.c -o parochial
$ ./parochial
$ narrowly restricted in outlook or scope

Ah, got it.

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