Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
From your dmesg output, it looks like you have some kind of hardware problem. Have you double checked that your cabling and hardware configuration is good? Some things to check: 1. That the burner is jumpered correctly for 'master'. Done/ 2. The IDE cable is not damaged (you might just want to replace it with a spare, if you have one). Replaced it. 3. The IDE cable is not more than 18 long. I think this one is really really really critical. See above. 4. If you have another device on the same channel, make sure it is configured as a slave. Done. 5. If 4 is true and the other device is a HD, the HD should be hdc and the burner hdd. And an 80-conductor cable would be required in this case I think. Your dmesg output didn't show the IDE device configuration messages from when the kernel booted..too many IDE errors. Maybe you can reboot and post a basic dmesg output? http://phpfi.com/58626 But of course. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:21:28 +0200, Richard Fish wrote: To me, this is really the crux of the issue. Fortunately, I've never had many problems using cdrecord, but Jorg Schilling and the kernel developers have very ugly disputes about how the kernel should treat CD burners and how cdrecord should get access to them. I get the impression that Schilling doesn't like Linux and thinks the kernel should be changed to suit his program. I suspect at some point someone will fork cdrecord to make a linux specific version, but that person is likely to get as many flames as thanks. That has happened as far as DVD writing is concerned, with growisofs. If only it handled CDs too. -- Neil Bothwick Bother said Rue, as his paranoia spread across the publicly accessible archives pgpEl3qhQhvAg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
Phill MV wrote: Doing cdrecord -tao --dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 /pkg.iso as root (0,0,0 being my cdr/w drive) yields a few warnings like cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r6 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. scsidev: 'ATAPI:0,0,0' devname: 'ATAPI' scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained. Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow. and a useless terminal window, permanently waiting on something I can't identify. Any help? I would've burned this in windows hadn't windows started BSOD'ing every other reboot (I'm on fresh reinstall #2 and no time left). .~. $ cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jrg Schilling on-the-fly encryption (version 1.0-rc1) built-in, (C) 2004,2005 Maximilian Decker NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version. Please send bug reports and support requests to burbon04 at gmx.de. For more information please see http://burbon04.gmxhome.de/linux/CDREncryption.html. The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version. cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.11.7 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. scsidev: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc' devname: 'ATAPI:/dev/hdc' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained. Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow. Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'HL-DT-ST' 'CD-RW GCE-8480B ' '1.03' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * .~. $ It's for udev! If you have, as I see devfs please use: dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 for example. kernel is Linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r6, and the following can be found in my config: * ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support * Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support --- Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives [ ] Support for SATA (deprecated; conflicts with libata SATA driver) [ ] Use old disk-only driver on primary interface * Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support [*] Use multi-mode by default * Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support Include IDE/ATAPI TAPE support (EXPERIMENTAL) * Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support * SCSI emulation support [ ] IDE Taskfile Access --- IDE chipset support/bugfixes * generic/default IDE chipset support You have wrong configuration. Please use: M Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support (MODULE IS BETTER) SCSI emulation support (EMULATION WORKS WITH OLD KERNEL, NOT WITH THIS) [*] Use multi-mode by default (ONLY IF YOU HAVE MORE THEN 1 IDE/ATA DISK) generic/default IDE chipset support (THERE IS NO NEED FOR THIS) And better please send me yours: 1. kernel config for this 2.6.10-gentoo-r6 2. dmesg output 3. lspci I will reconfigure your kernel, thats no problem for me :-) P.S. Maby you can swith to: latest ACCEPT_KEYWORSD=x86 with newest gentoo-sources, and use udev with 2005.0 profile? -- ### Damian Kokowski (dEiMoS) ## http://kolkowski.no-ip.org/ ### # echo teb.cv-ba.vxfjbxybx.anvznq | rot13 | rev | sed s/\\./@/ # -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
I am not talking about coasters, but the scsi emulation loops one has to jump through, long howtos that are so generic they leave the average user groping in the dark. Kernel devs having arguments with the developer of the main cd burning tool and not sitting down and mapping a way forward so the user is left having to burn as root, or using patches designed to bypass the problem. Some ways to address a burner used DMA, some dont allow it. Some systems can use /dev/hdX, some require magick in the form of /dev/cdroms/cdrom0, others as ATAPI:0,0,0 but not all are equal and not all will work depending on kernel and software versions. Then if you sort it out and finally get burning again, you upgrade the kernel and find it doesnt work, so you start again ... Then there's the software itself - I used to like gcombust, simple reliable and it worked - then it couldnt deal with the non-scsi stuff. Then I found nautilus-cd-burner - great for the quick job. The kernel mess cured me of that (I will go back to it when it starts working again). I have now settled on k3b, but I wonder how long that will keep working ... This is worse on gentoo than systems like Mandrake and redhat because their philosophy allows them to modify the upstream software for their users in ways that are difficult for gentoo to do (i.e., patch around the kernel nonsense which I presume they have done because CD burning just seems to work for them. I setup my first burner in the Mandrake 6 days - that was a nightmare! They now simplify things for their users - I am not saying gentoo should go this route, but cd-burning has far to much black magic involved at the moment. Sorry if I sound a bit bitter, but this is a real pain for the average user (gentoo or otherwise). And dont say if you tweak this and tune that it will work, thats bunk, of course I do that I do that, and it will work, but not for long. Its fixing the whole CD burning mess thats needed. BillK On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 10:31 +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote: W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CD burning and linux is just not nice in all the years I have used linux - and it seems to be getting worse, not better. I have over the years burned thousands of CDs, and got about a handful of coasters. Are you sure you use good quality discs and a decent burner (Plextor, maybe some others)? -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
I look after multiple systems (all gentoo/doze at the moment, but other distros -except debian - over the past ~10 years) Trust me, there are a lot of failures in amongst the success stories like yours. I am not saying things have not improved (/dev/hdX is nice when it works), often a clean, new install will work out of the box (like yours) but its the whole thing that needs attention, standardisation and a general cleanup. I would also wait until your install has aged a couple of years or so like some of mine (first gentoo was 1.0, still going though has been incrementally upgraded to a current 2.6) and look back on the travails you have had! If you just installed it and it works, are you using 2.6 or 2.4, scsi,ATAPI,hdX,/dev/cdroms/cdromX and is it working with/without DMA, can you burn as a user, does the users favourite CD burning software work, how about multiple users. If all this works, you are quite lucky in my experience of the current state of the art. Windoze users are luckier in this way - theirs mostly just works - though I have had cases where I had to reinstall the whole OS in order to get it to work with users because of permission problems with the initial install of a package! BillK On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 16:56 +0100, Graham Murray wrote: William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry if I sound a bit bitter, but this is a real pain for the average user (gentoo or otherwise). And dont say if you tweak this and tune that it will work, thats bunk, of course I do that I do that, and it will work, but not for long. Its fixing the whole CD burning mess thats needed. Might I be so bold as to ask what mess?. I have been using Linux for some years, Gentoo only for about 9 months, and bought my first CD/DVD burner at Christmas. I just installed it (placed into drive bay, connected up IDE and power cables), emerged k3b (which pulled in lots of dependencies) and it 'just worked'. I did not have to 'tweak' any settings (OK, I did read the USE flag descriptions and set the ones which looked appropriate before emerging k3b) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
Try using /dev/hdX notation instead - there's some advantages to it with 2.6 (DMA is one) However I have found it just as flakey at times. CD burning and linux is just not nice in all the years I have used linux - and it seems to be getting worse, not better. BillK On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:16 -0400, Phill MV wrote: So, I suddenly need to burn some cds in linux. k3b installed, I pop that little cd in the case and make me an iso of /pkg. I goes, you burn me that baby and watch it, well, not do anything. At all. The cd recorder drove up a bit then stopped making sound. The status window has been 'preparing write process' for the past 10 mins. Pressing cancel, instead of promptly canceling it, has it stall some more until I force quit it. Doing cdrecord -tao --dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 /pkg.iso as root (0,0,0 being my cdr/w drive) yields a few warnings like cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r6 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. scsidev: 'ATAPI:0,0,0' devname: 'ATAPI' scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0 Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained. Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow. and a useless terminal window, permanently waiting on something I can't identify. Any help? I would've burned this in windows hadn't windows started BSOD'ing every other reboot (I'm on fresh reinstall #2 and no time left). kernel is Linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r6, and the following can be found in my config: * ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support * Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support --- Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives [ ] Support for SATA (deprecated; conflicts with libata SATA driver) [ ] Use old disk-only driver on primary interface * Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support [*] Use multi-mode by default * Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support Include IDE/ATAPI TAPE support (EXPERIMENTAL) * Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support * SCSI emulation support [ ] IDE Taskfile Access --- IDE chipset support/bugfixes * generic/default IDE chipset support -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, kernel is Linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r6 Let me guess, it all used to work perfectly until you upgraded to 2.6.10? If this is the case, then I had similar problems. I cannot say for sure if gentoo found and fixed the errors in their own patched version (I use vanilla kernels), however in the default 2.6.10 kernel I encountered 2 major problems (and a third point): I) I *did* have to reinstall (recompile) cdrtools else it bombed out each time with really strange warnings (and I got new coasters each time too). II) Possibly not relevant, but linux-2.6.10 has a bug with ISO-9960 filesystems (*.iso), which may also (possibly) interfere with burning. III) I know you are using ATAPI, but the use of IDE-SCSI emulation would hard-freeze the kernel every time too. Make sure you remove (if you haven't) any IDE-SCSI modules (or built in) totally, as they should not be used anyway with 2.6 ~ if you have it that is. Initially I solved it by using patches from Alan Cox, however I upgraded to 2.6.11 the minute it was released, as I would encounter from time to time (after 10+ days uptime) a hard-lockup of the complete system without warning (and no logs/dmesg output). Basically what I am trying to say is that there are several major bugs in 2.6.10 relating directly to cd-writing. The chances are that if you upgrade/downgrade kernerl's you will solve it IMHO. Maybe this helps somewhat ;-) Greetings Ralph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCXLCxAWKxH5yWMT8RAv0iAKCbXahS1RS0ksRGZT7bY2jN5Au7MQCcCSL/ YHTJoWBphjz+pfO19bgMiTw= =YUB4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATAPI burning doesn't work
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 10:16:11PM -0400, Phill MV wrote So, I suddenly need to burn some cds in linux. k3b installed, I pop that little cd in the case and make me an iso of /pkg. I goes, you burn me that baby and watch it, well, not do anything. At all. The cd recorder drove up a bit then stopped making sound. The status window has been 'preparing write process' for the past 10 mins. Pressing cancel, instead of promptly canceling it, has it stall some more until I force quit it. Doing cdrecord -tao --dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 /pkg.iso as root (0,0,0 being my cdr/w drive) yields a few warnings like My twice-monthly backup (run as root) consists of creating a tar.bz and moving it to directory xfer and running (via a script)... mkisofs -R xfer | cdrecord -tao -v fs=8m -data dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 - The equivalant for your system would be... cdrecord -tao -data dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 /pkg.iso I wonder if the --dev in your invocation is throwing it off. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
