Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Stroller]

On 5 July 2013, at 07:48, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> 
>> My experience has been the opposite, that even the cheapest USB network 
>> adaptors have worked.
> ...
>> Maybe I've just been lucky and this is not the norm, but from what I've seen 
>> "USB network adapters don't work with Linux" is the sort of thing that might 
>> have been true 10 years ago.
> 
> Are you talking about an adapter that plugs into a USB port at one end and 
> has an Ethernet port at the other end?

Like this: http://www.cnesmart.com/plus/view.php?aid=139

I can't say that's the exact same model as one of the ones I've used, with the 
same chipset and all, but it looks just the same.

I see that page says the NIC is supported by Windows 2000, so I would be 
surprised if no Linux driver has been developed by now. 

Searching my computer it appears, although I can't say for sure, that I paid 
less than $10 for this adaptor. 

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Thomas Mueller]

Excerpt from Stroller:

> My experience has been the opposite, that even the cheapest USB network 
> adaptors have worked.

> Maybe I've just been lucky and this is not the norm, but from what I've seen 
> "USB network adapters don't work with Linux" is the sort of thing that might 
> have been true 10 years ago.

Are you talking about an adapter that plugs into a USB port at one end and has 
an Ethernet port at the other end?

Or are you talking about a cable or DSL router with a USB connection?

I have a cable modem and router, the router can connect by either Ethernet or 
USB; I always used the Ethernet and never used the USB.

But I had a DSL modem/router before the switch to cable, had both USB and 
Ethernet connectors.  I failed to get the USB network connection to work, 
though the Ethernet worked OK. 

Tom

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Stroller]

On 3 July 2013, at 17:28, Zind wrote:
> ...
> Use an external network adapter, uh... I never thought of that.
> AFAIK, many USB netwok adapters won't work correctly with Linux.

My experience has been the opposite, that even the cheapest USB network 
adaptors have worked.

Maybe I've just been lucky and this is not the norm, but from what I've seen 
"USB network adapters don't work with Linux" is the sort of thing that might 
have been true 10 years ago.

> Previously, I bought a Mercury MW300U USB network adapter, unfortunately,
> it doesn't work properly with Ubuntu 12.04. Then, that USB network adapter
> was left in the corner of my room. :-(

Again, based on my experience, I might be wrong, the only thing I can guess is 
that this USB NIC featured a very recent chipset at the time Ubuntu 12.04 was 
packaged or released.

>> 2. For each emerge command in the installation guide, run `emerge -fp
>> package-name` first, and redirect the output into a textfile. 
> 
> IIRC, the LiveUSB is a read-only file system. So, I'm afraid that I could
> not redirect the required package information to a text file.

Well, the LiveUSB is a read-only file system, but you're installing Gentoo onto 
some kind of writable filesystem - an SSD or hard-disk. 

When I say "for each emerge command in the installation guide", these are the 
commands which compile packages and save the files on the hard-disk. So as a 
temporary measure you could save the textfile in the root directory of the new 
install; the computer probably supports USB flash-drives, which you can write 
to from the LiveCD - use another tmux window or virtual terminal if necessary.

Gentoo installation is really flexible - the whole process is basically about 
writing a bunch of files to the hard-drive. With an appreciation of that, it 
doesn't matter how you get those files on the hard-disk - you can use any 
alternate way you can think of.

Stroller. 

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Zind]

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Gregory Shearman  wrote:

> I can confirm that these firmware files are in the linux-firmware
> package.
>

What confuses me is that iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode and iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode do
EXIST in the LiveUSB.
But they just couldn't be loaded properly. :-(

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Zind]

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Stroller
wrote:

> If I'm understanding correctly, that it's the LiveCD that can't connect to
> the network (rather than the installed system)
>

Yes.


>
> Two alternatives that spring to mind are:
>
> 1. Many USB network adaptors are supported by LiveCDs, try one of those.
> Some wired USB ethernet are available new for as little as $10 or so, or
> you could probably find a secondhand wifi 802.11b or g adaptor that cheap.
> Or borrow one, or something.
>

Use an external network adapter, uh... I never thought of that.
AFAIK, many USB netwok adapters won't work correctly with Linux.
Previously, I bought a Mercury MW300U USB network adapter, unfortunately,
it doesn't work properly with Ubuntu 12.04. Then, that USB network adapter
was left in the corner of my room. :-(
So I didn't expect the USB netwok adapter to work with the LiveCD.


>
> 2. For each emerge command in the installation guide, run `emerge -fp
> package-name` first, and redirect the output into a textfile. Then copy
> this textfile onto a USB key, take it to another machine with working
> internet access, use `wget -i file` to download the packages and then
> transfer them back to the machine on which you're installing Gentoo.
>

IIRC, the LiveUSB is a read-only file system. So, I'm afraid that I could
not redirect the required package information to a text file.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Zind]

Thanks to all of you, guys. It's really kind of you.
I should have replied the e-mail in time, but I was busy with work recent
days, sorry.
I will try your suggestions, and continue the installation very soon.


On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:47:04 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>
> > You can try to use SystemRescueCD[1] (based on Gentoo) instead of the
> > minimum install CD. The instructions are identical, but sometimes the
> > SystemRescueCD is more up-to-date.
>
> The alx ethernet driver is in kernel 3.10.0. System Rescue CD is updated
> frequently so I would expect a release that supports this device to be
> out before the end of the week.
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by moving to where you
> can't find them.
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:47:04 -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:

> You can try to use SystemRescueCD[1] (based on Gentoo) instead of the
> minimum install CD. The instructions are identical, but sometimes the
> SystemRescueCD is more up-to-date.

The alx ethernet driver is in kernel 3.10.0. System Rescue CD is updated
frequently so I would expect a release that supports this device to be
out before the end of the week.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by moving to where you
can't find them.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Gregory Shearman]

In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> 2013/6/29 Zind 
>>
>>> Can you search with dmesg and find if it's nead a firmware.
>>
>> Yes.
>> At the bottom of the dmesg message, I can see these lines:
>> request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode' failed.
>> request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode' failed.
>> no suitable firmware found!
>>
>
> You can try to fix this with emerging linux-firmware. I'm not sure if this
> firmware is in there, or what else to configure to fit it exactly, but in
> default the firmwares ware installed.

I can confirm that these firmware files are in the linux-firmware
package.

-- 
Regards,
Gregory Shearman.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Stroller]

On 29 June 2013, at 09:16, Zind wrote:
> 
>   After I made the LiveUSB, disabling the UEFI boot, I finally boot into 
> the Gentoo kernel. But I could not connect to the network. ...
> 
>   After several times of STFW, I can confirm it's a network adapter 
> driver support issue: lacks of coresponding network adapter drivers.
>   For the AR8161 network adapter, it requires the alx kernal module: 
> alx.ko.

If I'm understanding correctly, that it's the LiveCD that can't connect to the 
network (rather than the installed system) then there are various ways to work 
around this.

Two alternatives that spring to mind are:

1. Many USB network adaptors are supported by LiveCDs, try one of those. Some 
wired USB ethernet are available new for as little as $10 or so, or you could 
probably find a secondhand wifi 802.11b or g adaptor that cheap. Or borrow one, 
or something.

2. For each emerge command in the installation guide, run `emerge -fp 
package-name` first, and redirect the output into a textfile. Then copy this 
textfile onto a USB key, take it to another machine with working internet 
access, use `wget -i file` to download the packages and then transfer them back 
to the machine on which you're installing Gentoo. 

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 06/29/2013 04:16 AM, Zind wrote:
> hi all,
> I am new to Gentoo. I came across some problems in the Gentoo
> installation process.
> 
> ...
> 
> After several times of STFW, I can confirm it's a network adapter driver
> support issue: lacks of coresponding network adapter drivers.
> For the AR8161 network adapter, it requires the alx kernal module: alx.ko.
> Previously, I thought I could at least compile this driver by myself,
> but soon I found it lacks of build-essential packages, too. :-(
> 

You can try to use SystemRescueCD[1] (based on Gentoo) instead of the
minimum install CD. The instructions are identical, but sometimes the
SystemRescueCD is more up-to-date.


[1] http://www.sysresccd.org/

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Wang Xuerui]

2013/6/29 Zind :
> hi all,
> I am new to Gentoo. I came across some problems in the Gentoo installation
> process.
>
> I got a relatively new laptop: Lenovo IdeaPad Y400.
> The Gentoo iso I choose is: admincd-amd64-20130620.iso, from:
> http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20130620/hardened/
I once failed to install Hardened Gentoo to a server using the
admincd, so I'm not sure if you can proceed much further even if the
network is working.

Since after chroot the environment of LiveCD is not important any more
(except the running kernel, of course), you could simply use the
installation CD and a hardened stage3. If you are not trying to use
SELinux, this should be enough.

> After I made the LiveUSB, disabling the UEFI boot, I finally boot into the
> Gentoo kernel. But I could not connect to the network.
> Using the `ifconfig -a` command, I can only see the loopback interface: lo.
> Using the `lspci` command, I can see the two network adapters:
> (1) the Ethernet adapter
> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet
> (2) the wireless adapter
> Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230
> Subsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
> (The two network adapters both work well under Windows 8.)
>
> After several times of STFW, I can confirm it's a network adapter driver
> support issue: lacks of coresponding network adapter drivers.
> For the AR8161 network adapter, it requires the alx kernal module: alx.ko.
> Previously, I thought I could at least compile this driver by myself, but
> soon I found it lacks of build-essential packages, too. :-(
The toolchain is present on the installation CD so it must be the admincd...

> For the wireless network adapter, I can find
> iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode(coresponding to Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
> adapter) under /lib/firmware, I tried the `modprobe iwlwifi` command, still
> doesn't work. Weird.
>
> Uh... I don't know what to do next to continue the installation.
> Any suggestion or advice is appreciated.
You can get the firmware files from the git tree of linux-firmware
project (browsable online). Then you can transfer them into the LiveCD
environment's /lib/firmware by means of a USB stick, for example,
after which you simply rmmod iwlagn && modprobe iwlagn.

Also, before you finally reboot to finish the installation make sure
you emerge linux-firmware, so that the required firmware files are
installed into the target system.

Hope this information helps~

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[the]

On 06/29/13 13:30, Zind wrote:


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, the mailto:the.gu...@mail.ru>> wrote:

Maybe this can be helpful in some way?

http://blechtog.wordpress.com/__2012/08/06/gentoo-ethernet-__atheros-ar8161-gigabit-__ethernet-using-compat-__wireless-module-alx/




Thanks. It's useful.
But I didn't have Gentoo installed yet.   :-(

 sorry I should have read the original post more thoroughly

--
Stop talking and start compiling.
Linux user #557897

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Zind]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, the  wrote:

> Maybe this can be helpful in some way?
> http://blechtog.wordpress.com/**2012/08/06/gentoo-ethernet-**
> atheros-ar8161-gigabit-**ethernet-using-compat-**wireless-module-alx/
>

Thanks. It's useful.
But I didn't have Gentoo installed yet.   :-(

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Randolph Maaßen]

2013/6/29 Zind 

>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Davide De Prisco <
> deprisco.dav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you search with dmesg and find if it's nead a firmware.
>
>
>
> Yes.
> At the bottom of the dmesg message, I can see these lines:
> request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode' failed.
> request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode' failed.
> no suitable firmware found!
>

You can try to fix this with emerging linux-firmware. I'm not sure if this
firmware is in there, or what else to configure to fit it exactly, but in
default the firmwares ware installed.

Ps: Welcome to Gentoo

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Randolph Maaßen

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Zind]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Davide De Prisco  wrote:

> Can you search with dmesg and find if it's nead a firmware.



Yes.
At the bottom of the dmesg message, I can see these lines:
request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode' failed.
request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode' failed.
no suitable firmware found!

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Davide De Prisco]

Can you search with dmesg and find if it's nead a firmware.
Davide
Il giorno 29/giu/2013 10:17, "Zind"  ha scritto:

> hi all,
> I am new to Gentoo. I came across some problems in the Gentoo installation
> process.
>
> I got a relatively new laptop: Lenovo IdeaPad Y400.
>  The Gentoo iso I choose is: admincd-amd64-20130620.iso, from:
> http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20130620/hardened/
>  After I made the LiveUSB, disabling the UEFI boot, I finally boot into
> the Gentoo kernel. But I could not connect to the network.
>  Using the `ifconfig -a` command, I can only see the loopback interface:
> lo.
> Using the `lspci` command, I can see the two network adapters:
>  (1) the Ethernet adapter
> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet
> (2) the wireless adapter
>  Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230
> Subsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
>  (The two network adapters both work well under Windows 8.)
>
> After several times of STFW, I can confirm it's a network adapter driver
> support issue: lacks of coresponding network adapter drivers.
>  For the AR8161 network adapter, it requires the alx kernal module:
> alx.ko.
> Previously, I thought I could at least compile this driver by myself, but
> soon I found it lacks of build-essential packages, too. :-(
>
> For the wireless network adapter, I can find
> iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode(coresponding to Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
> adapter) under /lib/firmware, I tried the `modprobe iwlwifi` command, still
> doesn't work. Weird.
>
> Uh... I don't know what to do next to continue the installation.
> Any suggestion or advice is appreciated.
>
> PS.
> several links which I found useful:
>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/165192/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-atheros-ar8161-ethernet-controller
>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2089512
> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[the]

On 06/29/13 12:16, Zind wrote:

hi all,
I am new to Gentoo. I came across some problems in the Gentoo
installation process.

I got a relatively new laptop: Lenovo IdeaPad Y400.
The Gentoo iso I choose is: admincd-amd64-20130620.iso, from:
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20130620/hardened/
After I made the LiveUSB, disabling the UEFI boot, I finally boot into
the Gentoo kernel. But I could not connect to the network.
Using the `ifconfig -a` command, I can only see the loopback interface: lo.
Using the `lspci` command, I can see the two network adapters:
(1) the Ethernet adapter
Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet
(2) the wireless adapter
Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
(The two network adapters both work well under Windows 8.)

After several times of STFW, I can confirm it's a network adapter driver
support issue: lacks of coresponding network adapter drivers.
For the AR8161 network adapter, it requires the alx kernal module: alx.ko.
Previously, I thought I could at least compile this driver by myself,
but soon I found it lacks of build-essential packages, too. :-(

For the wireless network adapter, I can find
iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode(coresponding to Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
adapter) under /lib/firmware, I tried the `modprobe iwlwifi` command,
still doesn't work. Weird.

Uh... I don't know what to do next to continue the installation.
Any suggestion or advice is appreciated.

PS.
several links which I found useful:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/165192/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-atheros-ar8161-ethernet-controller
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2089512
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi


Maybe this can be helpful in some way?
http://blechtog.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/gentoo-ethernet-atheros-ar8161-gigabit-ethernet-using-compat-wireless-module-alx/


--
Stop talking and start compiling.
Linux user #557897

[gentoo-user] Gentoo installation, network adapter not supported

[Zind]

hi all,
I am new to Gentoo. I came across some problems in the Gentoo installation
process.

I got a relatively new laptop: Lenovo IdeaPad Y400.
 The Gentoo iso I choose is: admincd-amd64-20130620.iso, from:
http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20130620/hardened/
 After I made the LiveUSB, disabling the UEFI boot, I finally boot into the
Gentoo kernel. But I could not connect to the network.
 Using the `ifconfig -a` command, I can only see the loopback interface: lo.
Using the `lspci` command, I can see the two network adapters:
 (1) the Ethernet adapter
Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet
(2) the wireless adapter
 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
 (The two network adapters both work well under Windows 8.)

After several times of STFW, I can confirm it's a network adapter driver
support issue: lacks of coresponding network adapter drivers.
 For the AR8161 network adapter, it requires the alx kernal module: alx.ko.
Previously, I thought I could at least compile this driver by myself, but
soon I found it lacks of build-essential packages, too. :-(

For the wireless network adapter, I can find
iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode(coresponding to Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 BGN
adapter) under /lib/firmware, I tried the `modprobe iwlwifi` command, still
doesn't work. Weird.

Uh... I don't know what to do next to continue the installation.
Any suggestion or advice is appreciated.

PS.
several links which I found useful:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/165192/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-atheros-ar8161-ethernet-controller
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2089512
http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi