[gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
Hi, I recently switched to gmail. I did some searches to see how to disable or just make it so gmail's spam filter does not move anything to the spam folder. They don't work. Does someone here know of a way to get rid of this thing? It's getting on my nerves and I am even considering switching to Yahoo or something. I even thought about just marking everything it thinks is spam as not spam. Sort of mess up their stuff but if it works, may try it next. Thanks! Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I recently switched to gmail. I did some searches to see how to disable > or just make it so gmail's spam filter does not move anything to the > spam folder. They don't work. Does someone here know of a way to get > rid of this thing? It's getting on my nerves and I am even considering > switching to Yahoo or something. I even thought about just marking > everything it thinks is spam as not spam. Sort of mess up their stuff > but if it works, may try it next. Set up a filter that covers all of your mail and choose "never send to spam" as the action to perform. Should do the trick. Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I recently switched to gmail. I did some searches to see how to disable > or just make it so gmail's spam filter does not move anything to the > spam folder. They don't work. Does someone here know of a way to get > rid of this thing? It's getting on my nerves and I am even considering > switching to Yahoo or something. I even thought about just marking > everything it thinks is spam as not spam. Sort of mess up their stuff > but if it works, may try it next. > > Thanks! > > Dale > My experience is that it learns fairly quickly what's spam and what isn't, but I have about 50 labels I created - different lists, family, etc. for which I wrote simple rules. That keeps most stuff going to the right place. I get about 30 spam a day which is pretty easy to read through just once a day. Works for me. Good luck, Mark
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Paul Hartman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I recently switched to gmail. I did some searches to see how to disable >> or just make it so gmail's spam filter does not move anything to the >> spam folder. They don't work. Does someone here know of a way to get >> rid of this thing? It's getting on my nerves and I am even considering >> switching to Yahoo or something. I even thought about just marking >> everything it thinks is spam as not spam. Sort of mess up their stuff >> but if it works, may try it next. >> > > Set up a filter that covers all of your mail and choose "never send to > spam" as the action to perform. Should do the trick. > > Paul > > > I tried that and the option is not on mine to never send it to spam. It has other options but none that help me bypass it. Ideas? Dale :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I recently switched to gmail. I did some searches to see how to disable >> or just make it so gmail's spam filter does not move anything to the >> spam folder. They don't work. Does someone here know of a way to get >> rid of this thing? It's getting on my nerves and I am even considering >> switching to Yahoo or something. I even thought about just marking >> everything it thinks is spam as not spam. Sort of mess up their stuff >> but if it works, may try it next. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dale >> >> > > My experience is that it learns fairly quickly what's spam and what > isn't, but I have about 50 labels I created - different lists, family, > etc. for which I wrote simple rules. That keeps most stuff going to > the right place. I get about 30 spam a day which is pretty easy to > read through just once a day. > > Works for me. > > Good luck, > Mark > > > Thing is, I use POP not the webmail thing. I have a really slow dial-up and don't want to have to log in to get my email. I might also mention that I have a ton of false positives, about as many as is spam. I got my Seamonkey trained pretty well. It is VERY close to 100% dead on. Gmail is wrong more than it is right. Ideas? Dale :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gmail and that stupid spam filter. :-@
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Hartman wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently switched to gmail. I did some searches to see how to disable >>> or just make it so gmail's spam filter does not move anything to the >>> spam folder. They don't work. Does someone here know of a way to get >>> rid of this thing? It's getting on my nerves and I am even considering >>> switching to Yahoo or something. I even thought about just marking >>> everything it thinks is spam as not spam. Sort of mess up their stuff >>> but if it works, may try it next. >>> >> >> Set up a filter that covers all of your mail and choose "never send to >> spam" as the action to perform. Should do the trick. >> >> Paul >> >> >> > > > I tried that and the option is not on mine to never send it to spam. It > has other options but none that help me bypass it. > > Ideas? It's on the second page of the filter setup. Mine gives me these options: Skip the Inbox (Archive it) Mark as read Star it Apply the label: Forward it to: Delete it Never send it to Spam I have it set up for mail from this list and it works great. It even puts a little note letting you "this message would have been sent to spam if not for your filter".
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On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Hartman wrote: >> >> It's on the second page of the filter setup. Mine gives me these options: >> >> Skip the Inbox (Archive it) >> Mark as read >> Star it >> Apply the label: >> Forward it to: >> Delete it >> Never send it to Spam >> >> I have it set up for mail from this list and it works great. It even >> puts a little note letting you "this message would have been sent to >> spam if not for your filter". >> >> >> > > I have all those but the last one. That is also what everybody had when > I was doing my google searches. Why does Google hate me? lol > > Screen shot attached. I cropped it so it will be smaller. I think I know what your problem is. You appear to be using "Basic HTML" gmail which apparently does not include that option (I just tried it and it disappeared when I went to basic mode). Try switching to Standard gmail for a minute to set it up. Good luck :) Paul
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Paul Hartman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Paul Hartman wrote: >> >>> It's on the second page of the filter setup. Mine gives me these options: >>> >>> Skip the Inbox (Archive it) >>> Mark as read >>> Star it >>> Apply the label: >>> Forward it to: >>> Delete it >>> Never send it to Spam >>> >>> I have it set up for mail from this list and it works great. It even >>> puts a little note letting you "this message would have been sent to >>> spam if not for your filter". >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I have all those but the last one. That is also what everybody had when >> I was doing my google searches. Why does Google hate me? lol >> >> Screen shot attached. I cropped it so it will be smaller. >> > > I think I know what your problem is. You appear to be using "Basic > HTML" gmail which apparently does not include that option (I just > tried it and it disappeared when I went to basic mode). Try switching > to Standard gmail for a minute to set it up. Good luck :) > > Paul > > > I'll try it but it doesn't like my slow as leap year dial-up. BRB. Dale :-) :-)
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Dale wrote: > Paul Hartman wrote: > >> >> >> I think I know what your problem is. You appear to be using "Basic >> HTML" gmail which apparently does not include that option (I just >> tried it and it disappeared when I went to basic mode). Try switching >> to Standard gmail for a minute to set it up. Good luck :) >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> > > > I'll try it but it doesn't like my slow as leap year dial-up. BRB. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > Cool! It tried hard to error out on me but I got there. The option was there that time. I guess I'll know in a few days if it works or not. I had a ton of emails from friends in the spam box. There was only a few spam messages tho. Thanks much. I was about to switch to Yahoo and pay for POP access. After getting the bill for my recent hospital stay, I need to save all I can. Dale :-) :-)
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Dale wrote: > Paul Hartman wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Dale wrote: >> >> >>> Paul Hartman wrote: >>> >>> It's on the second page of the filter setup. Mine gives me these options: Skip the Inbox (Archive it) Mark as read Star it Apply the label: Forward it to: Delete it Never send it to Spam I have it set up for mail from this list and it works great. It even puts a little note letting you "this message would have been sent to spam if not for your filter". >>> I have all those but the last one. That is also what everybody had when >>> I was doing my google searches. Why does Google hate me? lol >>> >>> Screen shot attached. I cropped it so it will be smaller. >>> >>> >> I think I know what your problem is. You appear to be using "Basic >> HTML" gmail which apparently does not include that option (I just >> tried it and it disappeared when I went to basic mode). Try switching >> to Standard gmail for a minute to set it up. Good luck :) >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> > > > I'll try it but it doesn't like my slow as leap year dial-up. BRB. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > Sorry to say but I'm back. I set up that filter and checked the spam bucket on webmail today. It had over 800 messages and some of them are not spam. Does anybody know of a way to disable this stupid thing? I'm about to switch email addresses if I can't do something with this thing. If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email servers that allow pop access? I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as "not spam" and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ Ideas? Dale :-) :-)
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2008/12/26 Dale : > Sorry to say but I'm back. I set up that filter and checked the spam > bucket on webmail today. It had over 800 messages and some of them are > not spam. This is not an answer to your question below but I wanted to mention a few things that might help you (if you decide to stick with Gmail a bit longer). When you see spam in your inbox do you use "Report spam"? When you see valid email in your spam do you use "Not spam"? I found it learns very quickly what I consider spam and what not. I also tend to go through the spam folder whenever there's 10 or more messages there. That makes it easy and fast and 99% of the time it's a simple select "All" + "Delete forever". If you wait until there's 800 mails there you're bound to make mistakes and it's a big job to clean it all up. > Does anybody know of a way to disable this stupid thing? I'm > about to switch email addresses if I can't do something with this > thing. If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email > servers that allow pop access? No idea. > I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people > say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in > the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as "not spam" and just > screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious reading. ;-) :-) Cheers, Hilco
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Hilco Wijbenga wrote: > 2008/12/26 Dale : > >> Sorry to say but I'm back. I set up that filter and checked the spam >> bucket on webmail today. It had over 800 messages and some of them are >> not spam. >> > > This is not an answer to your question below but I wanted to mention a > few things that might help you (if you decide to stick with Gmail a > bit longer). > > When you see spam in your inbox do you use "Report spam"? When you see > valid email in your spam do you use "Not spam"? I found it learns very > quickly what I consider spam and what not. I also tend to go through > the spam folder whenever there's 10 or more messages there. That makes > it easy and fast and 99% of the time it's a simple select "All" + > "Delete forever". If you wait until there's 800 mails there you're > bound to make mistakes and it's a big job to clean it all up. > Well, I'm on dial-up and that thing doesn't like my slow as crap connection. Thanks AT&T for keeping your promise on getting use DSL. Bit of sarcasm there in case you can't tell. Very few things are on my crap list but they are one and close to the top. Anyway, using the webmail thing is a mess. It times oout part way through loading the page and all that crap. It took me a loong while to go through all that. What I thought of doing is checking all of them then telling google none of them is spam at all. Over time, it should not mark anything as spam. Of course, that will mess up other people as well. Sort of hate to do that but if it means I can get my emails, then it is a option. > >> Does anybody know of a way to disable this stupid thing? I'm >> about to switch email addresses if I can't do something with this >> thing. If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email >> servers that allow pop access? >> > > No idea. > Me either. > >> I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people >> say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in >> the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as "not spam" and just >> screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ >> > > Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on > Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google > single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious > reading. ;-) :-) > > Cheers, > Hilco > > > Well, even if I did, I would be switched by then. If I'm not getting the service I pay for or expect, I move on. I may be switching ISPs again before long too. I like to get online when I need to not when they think I should. I also plan to keep my OS up to date even if it means a 10 hour download. If they can't handle that, I'll find someone who can. Already found my new ISP just waiting for word from my current one. They claim it is unlimited but then put limits on it. Funny huh? Who's Don? I never heard of him. Dale :-) :-)
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2008/12/26 Dale : > Hilco Wijbenga wrote: >> 2008/12/26 Dale : > Well, I'm on dial-up and that thing doesn't like my slow as crap > connection. Thanks AT&T for keeping your promise on getting use DSL. > Bit of sarcasm there in case you can't tell. Very few things are on my > crap list but they are one and close to the top. Anyway, using the > webmail thing is a mess. It times oout part way through loading the > page and all that crap. It took me a loong while to go through all that. Yeah, that definitely sucks. Nowadays a lot of webapps expect you to have your own private T3. :-) I'm not sure whether Yahoo will be much better though... > What I thought of doing is checking all of them then telling google none > of them is spam at all. Over time, it should not mark anything as > spam. Of course, that will mess up other people as well. Sort of hate > to do that but if it means I can get my emails, then it is a option. I'm not really clear on how personalised it is. Not everyone agrees (all the time) on what is spam and what is not. It seems that it is somehow able to apply my personal settings to the spam filter. >>> I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people >>> say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in >>> the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as "not spam" and just >>> screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ >>> >> >> Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on >> Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google >> single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious >> reading. ;-) :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Hilco > > Well, even if I did, I would be switched by then. If I'm not getting > the service I pay for or expect, I move on. I may be switching ISPs > again before long too. I like to get online when I need to not when > they think I should. I also plan to keep my OS up to date even if it > means a 10 hour download. If they can't handle that, I'll find someone > who can. Already found my new ISP just waiting for word from my current > one. They claim it is unlimited but then put limits on it. Funny huh? Perhaps they meant the wait is unlimited? ;-) > Who's Don? I never heard of him. I see no smiley, so I'll assume you're serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills Cheers, Hilco
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Hilco Wijbenga wrote: > 2008/12/26 Dale : > >> Hilco Wijbenga wrote: >> >>> 2008/12/26 Dale : >>> > > >> Well, I'm on dial-up and that thing doesn't like my slow as crap >> connection. Thanks AT&T for keeping your promise on getting use DSL. >> Bit of sarcasm there in case you can't tell. Very few things are on my >> crap list but they are one and close to the top. Anyway, using the >> webmail thing is a mess. It times oout part way through loading the >> page and all that crap. It took me a loong while to go through all that. >> > > Yeah, that definitely sucks. Nowadays a lot of webapps expect you to > have your own private T3. :-) I'm not sure whether Yahoo will be much > better though... > > >> What I thought of doing is checking all of them then telling google none >> of them is spam at all. Over time, it should not mark anything as >> spam. Of course, that will mess up other people as well. Sort of hate >> to do that but if it means I can get my emails, then it is a option. >> > > I'm not really clear on how personalised it is. Not everyone agrees > (all the time) on what is spam and what is not. It seems that it is > somehow able to apply my personal settings to the spam filter. > > > I always liked Google but this sort of pisses me off. No wonder people say they sent me a card or something and I never got it. They are in the spam bucket. Thought about marking them ALL as "not spam" and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ >>> Well, Don Quixote, I hope you'll forgive me for putting my money on >>> Google anyway. ;-) :-P If you do decide to take on Google >>> single-handedly ... keep a blog please, it should make for hilarious >>> reading. ;-) :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Hilco >>> >> Well, even if I did, I would be switched by then. If I'm not getting >> the service I pay for or expect, I move on. I may be switching ISPs >> again before long too. I like to get online when I need to not when >> they think I should. I also plan to keep my OS up to date even if it >> means a 10 hour download. If they can't handle that, I'll find someone >> who can. Already found my new ISP just waiting for word from my current >> one. They claim it is unlimited but then put limits on it. Funny huh? >> > > Perhaps they meant the wait is unlimited? ;-) > Well, I'm disabled so I like to surf the net a lot. I try to get on late at night when they are not to busy but it appears they don't care. Their "unlimited" thing has a lot of limits on it. I found out that dixie-net is local and they don't care how long I am on or how much I download. Says so in the terms too. > >> Who's Don? I never heard of him. >> > > I see no smiley, so I'll assume you're serious: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills > > Cheers, > Hilco > > > I didn't know who he was and still not real sure. Sometimes those wiki things don't make much sense to me. Sounds like lawyer speak sometimes. :/ Dale :-) :-)
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Dale wrote: > If you have no ideas on how to disable, what are some free email > servers that allow pop access? > > Ideas? > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > I use the Webmail extension for Thunderbird (I don't know if it works in Seamonkey), it supports quite a few webmail interfaces and lets Mozilla talk to them with pop. It is mostly stable, sometimes it gives me a few issues, but I manage my own spam settings (I use it with Hotmail). http://webmail.mozdev.org/ There are two pieces: The main webmail extension and the extension for the specific service you're using. I don't know if it will make a difference with Gmail, but it may be possible to tell it to download all messages. Otherwise you can use some other free email account. -Steve signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Quoting Dale : Thought about marking them ALL as "not spam" and just screwing their spam filter right up. Sort of a get even thing there. :-@ I did that many many many many times. I hate google for not let me disable the stupid spam filter. **BUT** I found a workaround: Ideas? I download the spam folder to my home server with fetchmail. There I have Amavis+[DSPAM+SA]+ClamAV. Works pretty well and I have much more less false positives than gmail. This is my fetchmail config: poll pop.gmail.com proto pop3 user "nbe...@gmail.com" with pass *** fetchall ssl poll imap.gmail.com proto imap user "nbe...@gmail.com" with pass *** folder "[Gmail]/Spam" fetchall ssl Dale HTH, Regards, Norberto This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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This is OT but here I am anyway: Quoting Hilco Wijbenga : When you see spam in your inbox do you use "Report spam"? When you see valid email in your spam do you use "Not spam"? I found it learns very quickly what I consider spam and what not. I also tend to go through the spam folder whenever there's 10 or more messages there. That would mean I need to live my life in the spam folder. I'm sorry but the filter should be smarter or there should be no filter at all. Yeah, I know gmail works for almost everybody else, but for some of us, it just doesn't do what it should. Is it raaay that hard for google to code a "don't filter my messages" option Regards, Norberto This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
