[gentoo-user] Re: grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread James
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:


 There are scripts to automatically generate a configuration but
 grub-mkconfig is no more compulsory than genkernel - but both can make
 life easier when setting up multiple, different systems.

Neil et al,

Where is the BEST (gentoo) grub2 documentation?
The last link says that the reason grub2 is still
masked, is the lack of documentation

All I've found so far is:
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-documentation.html
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2
http://dev.gentoo.org/~scarabeus/grub-2-guide.xml
http://blogs.gentoo.org/scarabeus/2011/09/17/grub2-4-months-after/

Any other docs/examples for grub2? Something dumbed_down for us
older admins, would be keen


James







Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:57:27 + (UTC), James wrote:

 Where is the BEST (gentoo) grub2 documentation?

I'm not saying it's the best, but the one I used to switch over is
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Claudio Roberto França Pereira
mike, I'd DEFINITELY LOVE to read grub's history, even if it's a short
summary or something.

TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC, but anyone could recommend me a open
source/linux/unix/free software history book? Something that mentioned
the FSF foundation, the GPL creation, the XFree86 - X.org evolution,
linux [..]. - 2.4 - 2.6 evolution, sound stack evolution (OSS, ALSA,
JACK, PA, ESD, Arts, Phonon), multimedia history (ffmpeg, mplayer,
mplayer2, gstreamer, xine, vlc). It could go all the way back to
shell's, like sh, csh, BASH, zsh.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Claudio Roberto França Pereira
spide...@gmail.com wrote:
 mike, I'd DEFINITELY LOVE to read grub's history, even if it's a short
 summary or something.

 TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC, but anyone could recommend me a open
 source/linux/unix/free software history book? Something that mentioned
 the FSF foundation, the GPL creation, the XFree86 - X.org evolution,
 linux [..]. - 2.4 - 2.6 evolution, sound stack evolution (OSS, ALSA,
 JACK, PA, ESD, Arts, Phonon), multimedia history (ffmpeg, mplayer,
 mplayer2, gstreamer, xine, vlc). It could go all the way back to
 shell's, like sh, csh, BASH, zsh.

Not OSS related, but I really enjoyed reading Dennis Ritchie's article
on the history of the C programming language (which also gets into the
early UNIX days):
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/chist.html



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Doug Hunley
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:11, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
 On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:57:27 + (UTC), James wrote:

 Where is the BEST (gentoo) grub2 documentation?

 I'm not saying it's the best, but the one I used to switch over is
 http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2

One thing I don't see addressed is having /boot on a RAID1 setup. For
Grub Legacy, I do:
grub  device (hd0) /dev/sda
grub  root (hd0,0)
grub  setup (hd0)

then repeat for sdb, sdc, and sdd

Does Grub2 deal w/ this better or the same?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: grub vs grub 2

2012-02-15 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:33:06 -0500, Doug Hunley wrote:

  I'm not saying it's the best, but the one I used to switch over is
  http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Grub2  
 
 One thing I don't see addressed is having /boot on a RAID1 setup. For
 Grub Legacy, I do:
 grub  device (hd0) /dev/sda
 grub  root (hd0,0)
 grub  setup (hd0)
 
 then repeat for sdb, sdc, and sdd
 
 Does Grub2 deal w/ this better or the same?

I do it just the same. It's not really a GRUB thing, the BIOS needs
somewhere to load GRUB from, whatever the version number.


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I thought I saw the light at the end of the tunnel...
but it was just some sod with a torch bringing me more work!


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[gentoo-user] Re: grub vs grub 2

2012-02-14 Thread James
Florian Philipp lists at binarywings.net writes:


 sys-boot/grub has two slots. The default slot 0 with version numbers
 around 0.92-0.97 is grub-1 (or grub legacy). Slot 2 with version numbers
 around 1.99 is grub-2. Because it is still in development hell, it has
 not reached version 2.00.

OK, this part I understand.

 IIRC, sys-boot/grub-static is mostly there for systems that cannot
 compile grub, for example AMD64 no-multilib profiles.

OK, from the handbook
Thanks for clearing that up.

The second part of this question, is what version of grub do I use
with an AMD64 RAID-1-workstation install that will use this 
(multilib) profile:

[5]   default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde *

But I intend to put RAID-1 on the boot/root/swap partitions.
ext2 and ext4 FS for boot/root.

Any preferred version of grub (grub-1) will do ?

Trying to use this document:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/RAID/Software
The advice about grub (1 vs 2) and mdadm RAID-metadata
all confuses the grub choice for me.

Should I use Grub-1 ? or Grub-2 ?

Or maybe I should just do a traditional gentoo (handbook) install
and then migrate to a RAID-1 workstation, via this document:

http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Migrate_to_RAID

I've spent countless hours on numerous attempts to do it all in
one install, and grub will not boot for me.

IDEAS?


James