Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:02:40 +0200 Vlad Dogaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll add this to the list of things I learned today. Apologies for the inconvenience. no inconvenience here, but others on the mailinglist have no doubt learned as well .. so thanks for the convenience ; ) I am now using a VESA-compatible modeline for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not sure about the last one). I just pasted it from ddcxinfo-knoppix, knowing the monitor would work with these settings. that looks good. the @75 is just part of the arbitrary modeline name, but actually refers to the refresh rate being used - a nice, fliker free 75Hz (or kHz, whichever it is i can't rememver) One more question, though. If I switch back to my older, smaller monitor and forget to change the modeline, will it get fried? I seem to see this warning quite often. I have seen that warning too, but I haven't yet been able to actually break a monitor like that. I think the current technology (circa early to mid 90s and up) no longer has this problem. However, don't take it from me as fact, but a guess correlating with the experiences I have had. Usually, newer monitors simply show an 'out of range' box on the screen, and older ones show an image composed entirely of quickly waving gray black and white horizontal lines; the monitor in this case has always happily performed afterwords just fine at supported resolutions. there is one thing i would mention though. You know how as monitors wear out they get blurrier and blurrer, and image quality decreases? Well, setting the refresh rate too high on some older, cheaper monitors seems to result in a much accellerated blurification process. Thanks for the help, Vlad any time. -dan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
-Original Message- From: Vlad Dogaru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 04:56 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? I find I have to set IgnoreEDID True in my xorg.conf card options to get it to work. I am not entirely sure why - but it works. I think it ignores what the monitor says its settings are and then uses settings you specified, but I could be wrong. I'm using an nVidia Ti4200 on a 17in Relisys TL766 (model number might be off for the latter, I'm at work at the moment). PS: Can we please try to trim the emails down a little? Quoting several paragraphs of settings makes for a long email ;) Cheers -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:56 - Nelson, David \(ED, PARD\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Vlad Dogaru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 04:56 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024... [snip] ...Any suggestions? I find I have to set IgnoreEDID True in my xorg.conf card options to get it to work. I am not entirely sure why - but it works. I think it ignores what the monitor says its settings are and then uses settings you specified, but I could be wrong. something like that. I don't usually set it, but I think that's mostly because the only time I have to specify settings myself is when the EDID or whatever isn't working properly. Monitors' support for this mode-gathering stuff seems to vary inversely with it's age. Many of the older ones I have refuse to help X configure them at all. PS: Can we please try to trim the emails down a little? Quoting several paragraphs of settings makes for a long email ;) Cheers ++. It's so true. Does this program guarantee that the settings really do work for my monitor or are they just generic? I am not familiar with ddcxinfo-knoppix, but it probably lists modelines from up to 3 different sources. The graphics card can supply a list of available resolutions -- that's where [EMAIL PROTECTED] came from I bet. The monitor's refresh rates can also be used to extrapolate possible modelines -- I don't know how to do this, but aside from this program, there are websites that can do so for you. Finally, the VESA standard defines what would likely be called generic settings that are supported by any VESA-compliant monitor and graphics card (just about all of them you can still physically connect to new computers, nowadays). These standard values are a good place to start, as your monitor should work for them, and you should be able to find one ([EMAIL PROTECTED], maybe) that your monitor supports and that looks nice and doesn't flicker too much, and performs well on your hardware. the Modes line is meant to be a list of modeline names, so you may or may not need the @70 part depending on where the modeline came from. the X logs should list many modelines which X came up with after probing the hardware, and you probably want to use a name from the desired one of these. Have you tried looking up online and entering the refresh rates manually? I highly recommend doing so. Best of luck, dan. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On 3/1/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:56 - Nelson, David \(ED, PARD\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Vlad Dogaru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 04:56 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024... [snip] ...Any suggestions? I find I have to set IgnoreEDID True in my xorg.conf card options to get it to work. I am not entirely sure why - but it works. I think it ignores what the monitor says its settings are and then uses settings you specified, but I could be wrong. something like that. I don't usually set it, but I think that's mostly because the only time I have to specify settings myself is when the EDID or whatever isn't working properly. Monitors' support for this mode-gathering stuff seems to vary inversely with it's age. Many of the older ones I have refuse to help X configure them at all. PS: Can we please try to trim the emails down a little? Quoting several paragraphs of settings makes for a long email ;) Cheers ++. It's so true. I'll add this to the list of things I learned today. Apologies for the inconvenience. Does this program guarantee that the settings really do work for my monitor or are they just generic? I am not familiar with ddcxinfo-knoppix, but it probably lists modelines from up to 3 different sources. The graphics card can supply a list of available resolutions -- that's where [EMAIL PROTECTED] came from I bet. The monitor's refresh rates can also be used to extrapolate possible modelines -- I don't know how to do this, but aside from this program, there are websites that can do so for you. Finally, the VESA standard defines what would likely be called generic settings that are supported by any VESA-compliant monitor and graphics card (just about all of them you can still physically connect to new computers, nowadays). These standard values are a good place to start, as your monitor should work for them, and you should be able to find one ([EMAIL PROTECTED], maybe) that your monitor supports and that looks nice and doesn't flicker too much, and performs well on your hardware. the Modes line is meant to be a list of modeline names, so you may or may not need the @70 part depending on where the modeline came from. the X logs should list many modelines which X came up with after probing the hardware, and you probably want to use a name from the desired one of these. I am now using a VESA-compatible modeline for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (not sure about the last one). I just pasted it from ddcxinfo-knoppix, knowing the monitor would work with these settings. One more question, though. If I switch back to my older, smaller monitor and forget to change the modeline, will it get fried? I seem to see this warning quite often. Thanks for the help, Vlad Have you tried looking up online and entering the refresh rates manually? I highly recommend doing so. Best of luck, dan. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? Thanks, Vlad -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? how about not using modelines at all? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On 2/28/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? how about not using modelines at all? I've tried commenting out the modeline, to no avail, and the DefaultDepth, also with no result. I've checked the logs and found nothing out of place. Attatched is my xorg.conf, should anyone find it meaningful. Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- How's my English? How about my Netiquette? Do mail me if something is wrong with my behaviour. Thank you. xorg.conf Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: On 2/28/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? how about not using modelines at all? I've tried commenting out the modeline, to no avail, and the DefaultDepth, also with no result. I've checked the logs and found nothing out of place. Attatched is my xorg.conf, should anyone find it meaningful. Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list well, you set no mode at all - modelines are something different ;) Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 #Modes1280x1024 EndSubSection EndSection change that too something like: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection And add this to your modules section: Loadddc -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:54:29 +0100 Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: On 2/28/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? how about not using modelines at all? I've tried commenting out the modeline, to no avail, and the DefaultDepth, also with no result. I've checked the logs and found nothing out of place. Attatched is my xorg.conf, should anyone find it meaningful. Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list well, you set no mode at all - modelines are something different ;) Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 #Modes1280x1024 EndSubSection EndSection change that too something like: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection And add this to your modules section: Loadddc I find myself in this situation often, and usually, looking up Horizontal Sync and Vertical Refresh frequencies for the make and model of the monitor (rarely tricky) and then setting them in xorg.conf solves the problem. For example: Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelNameMonitor Model HorizSync 31.5-64.3 VertRefresh 50-90 Modeline 1024x768 85.00 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 EndSection In this case I also used a modeline because the HorizSync and VertRefresh settings didn't work at 1024x768 without it. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Switched monitors, having resolution problems
On 2/28/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:54:29 +0100 Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: On 2/28/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007, Vlad Dogaru wrote: Hello all, I have just switched monitors and X now starts in 640x480. I intend to make it work at 1280x1024, and have changed DefaultDepth and Modes lines in xorg.conf accordingly. The console works at 1024x768 as usual, but I have compiled that into the framebuffer. Any suggestions? how about not using modelines at all? I've tried commenting out the modeline, to no avail, and the DefaultDepth, also with no result. I've checked the logs and found nothing out of place. Attatched is my xorg.conf, should anyone find it meaningful. Vlad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list well, you set no mode at all - modelines are something different ;) Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 #Modes1280x1024 EndSubSection EndSection change that too something like: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 #DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 640x480 EndSubSection EndSection And add this to your modules section: Loadddc I find myself in this situation often, and usually, looking up Horizontal Sync and Vertical Refresh frequencies for the make and model of the monitor (rarely tricky) and then setting them in xorg.conf solves the problem. For example: Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelNameMonitor Model HorizSync 31.5-64.3 VertRefresh 50-90 Modeline 1024x768 85.00 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 EndSection In this case I also used a modeline because the HorizSync and VertRefresh settings didn't work at 1024x768 without it. I emerged ddcxinfo-knoppix and when I run it with -monitor, I get a lot of modelines, along with some HorizSync and VertRefresh values. These are what concern me: Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 # HorizSync28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors HorizSync28.0 - 96.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0 # Very conservative. May flicker. # VertRefresh 50.0 - 62.0 # Extreme conservative. Will flicker. TFT default. # Default modes distilled from # VESA and Industry Standards and Guide for Computer Display Monitor # Timing, version 1.0, revision 0.8, adopted September 17, 1998. # $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/etc/vesamodes,v 1.4 1999/11/18 16:52:17 tsi Exp $ # 640x350 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz ModeLine 640x35031.5 640 672 736 832350 382 385 445 +hsync -vsync snip modelines here Does this program guarantee that the settings really do work for my monitor or are they just generic? I need to know, especially considering the remarks about frying. Also, just checking to see I got it correctly: I would comment out all but one modeline and use that one, right? Again, are all modelines listed supported? (This lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a 17 monitor -- not by far a wiz with this, but... is this right??) Vlad -- How's my English? How about my
