Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:46:33 -0400 Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'd really like -- a 6600-- is right out). If you're gonna spend that much money go all the way for a 6800 its well worth the cash. Maybe not. It you want anything like TV out and HD content, then get the 6600 or 6200, or skip the whole 6, and get a 7 series. If it's just for games, no big deal, though the 7 series takes less power and generates less heat while being much faster. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
I wonder why I bought a computer with an ATI graphics card. I know, it was really cheap. Next time I'll bought another with an nVidia, but I can't understand why X.org drivers cannot handle damage extensions and so on with ati cards... Bye.
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would have done it months ago, Mike, if there was any way, but I reallyhave absolutely no budget, even for an MX440 (true desperation, if I'm even considering an MX 440 in this day and age. But I'd rather that thana 5200, all things considered. I know not everyone can afford a nVidia card... I was just giving you a hard time. It is worth noting though that nVidia on Linux is so easy. If anyone is building a new Linux box I wouldn't go with ATI, but then again I am biased against ATI. What I'd really like -- a 6600-- is rightout). If you're gonna spend that much money go all the way for a 6800 its well worth the cash. I may wind up putting my Matrox G400 Max back in here, but Wine issoo close on DX 9 (which the G400 of course does not support) that I can't bear it. Wine and DX9... I find this very interesting, where did you hear that? How would I follow that development? I am really hoping to see DX9 support in Wine so I can finally run some of the games I had to give up when jumping from Windoze. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum [SOLVED]
Michael Crute schreef: On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would have done it months ago, Mike, if there was any way, but I really have absolutely no budget, even for an MX440 (true desperation, if I'm even considering an MX 440 in this day and age. But I'd rather that than a 5200, all things considered. I know not everyone can afford a nVidia card... I was just giving you a hard time. It is worth noting though that nVidia on Linux is so easy. If anyone is building a new Linux box I wouldn't go with ATI, but then again I am biased against ATI. What I'd really like -- a 6600-- is right out). If you're gonna spend that much money go all the way for a 6800 its well worth the cash. Thanks for the tip. I may wind up putting my Matrox G400 Max back in here, but Wine is soo close on DX 9 (which the G400 of course does not support) that I can't bear it. Wine and DX9... I find this very interesting, where did you hear that? How would I follow that development? I am really hoping to see DX9 support in Wine so I can finally run some of the games I had to give up when jumping from Windoze. -Mike I subscribe to the wine-devel mailing list (as well as wine-users). There's an IRC channel as well, I think (you can find out on the Wine site, http://www.winehq.org , as well as how to subscribe to either, both, or more of the lists, like wine-bugs,. or wine-patches), but I hate IRC almost as much as I hate IM, so I don't usually go there. I would, if I could write a patch, though :) . You might also consider getting wine from cvs, which might have some of the uncommitted patches there, and Oliver Steiber (who's doing most of the work on DX9 support) has a homepage for his work at http://directxwine.sourceforge.net/ . Nice thing is he seems to have an ATI card as well, so I'm hopeful that when the work does get committed, it will work well with the ATI card (and maybe I'll be able to finish Myst 4 and Uru, not to mention play the Sims 2, although I recently managed to get the original Sims installed and running, so I might not get too worried about the sequel. Being able to play NWN 2 -- if it's not native, which I haven't checked yet-- and The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion when they come out would be very, very nice, though). Since you have an nVidia card, you might also consider Cedega, which runs a lot of DX9 games already (up to 9.0b, I think). If you have another way to install them other than via the installer (like previously installed on a Windows partition), you should be able to use Cedega's CVS version (free). Or, of course, you could subscribe (5 USD p/m, 3 month minimum) for the full monty (InstallShield support, current version of the program, Point2Play, the graphical install and management utility, support, ability to vote on what they work on supporting next, ability to post on the forums, etc). I don't so much like Cedega as opposed to Wine, because Wine tends to work on 'global' issues (getting DirectX 9 working, for example), which I consider 'normal', wheras Transgaming tends to work on 'getting the game-of-the-week running, no matter what else breaks by doing so', but hey, if you want to play HL2, and that's all you want, then Cedega is definitely an option though not so much if you have an ATI card. I know of at least two games that supposedly run perfectly under Cedega with nVidia cards, but run like trash with my ATI card (severe graphical corruption), and in fact the Cedega release notes mention several games that they support which do not run, or run with severe problems specifically when using ATI cards. Oh, and btw, the original issue of this thread is [SOLVED], I updated today and it went through fine. Haven't restarted X yet, though. But afaik, the update isn't for me so much anyway (Gentoo changelog indicates -r5 fixes some bug in 64-bit), but since there seems to be a revision in the RPM as well, there might be some unmentioned improvements for 32-bit users as well. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum [SOLVED]
On 9/15/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip of some useful info about DX9 on Wine.HollyThanks for the info. I'm gonna try the free DX for Wine as soon as I get home. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
[gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
Hi !! I'm trying to do an emerge -vuD world, but I just can't. For my surprise someone put into portage a bad MD5 sum for ati-drivers. Portage just tells that sizes don't match... so I can't update it... damn. Is the first time that this happens to me... I hope some of you have this problem and I'm all right, and not doing anything wrong. Bye. -- Saludos, Rafael Fernández López. A la vista de suficientes ojos todos los errores resultan evidentes - Linus Torvalds -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 22:16, Rafael Fernández López wrote: Hi !! I'm trying to do an emerge -vuD world, but I just can't. For my surprise someone put into portage a bad MD5 sum for ati-drivers. Portage just tells that sizes don't match... so I can't update it... damn. Is the first time that this happens to me... I hope some of you have this problem and I'm all right, and not doing anything wrong. Bye. this may not be portages fault! Some mirrors have sometimes defective packages in their distfiles directory - sometimes the download has hiccups and the file is altered. Have you tried to download the package from the original site? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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I supposed right now. I've been looking at last modification date, and they are from AUGUST !!! Thanks. 2005/9/14, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 22:16, Rafael Fernández López wrote: Hi !! I'm trying to do an emerge -vuD world, but I just can't. For my surprise someone put into portage a bad MD5 sum for ati-drivers. Portage just tells that sizes don't match... so I can't update it... damn. Is the first time that this happens to me... I hope some of you have this problem and I'm all right, and not doing anything wrong. Bye. this may not be portages fault! Some mirrors have sometimes defective packages in their distfiles directory - sometimes the download has hiccups and the file is altered. Have you tried to download the package from the original site? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Saludos, Rafael Fernández López. A la vista de suficientes ojos todos los errores resultan evidentes - Linus Torvalds -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
Volker Armin Hemmann schreef: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 22:16, Rafael Fernández López wrote: Hi !! I'm trying to do an emerge -vuD world, but I just can't. For my surprise someone put into portage a bad MD5 sum for ati-drivers. Portage just tells that sizes don't match... so I can't update it... damn. Is the first time that this happens to me... I hope some of you have this problem and I'm all right, and not doing anything wrong. Bye. this may not be portages fault! Some mirrors have sometimes defective packages in their distfiles directory - sometimes the download has hiccups and the file is altered. Have you tried to download the package from the original site? There's a bug on b.g.o about it. It looks like something wrong with the manifest (bad copy and paste or something; or in any case, the md5 is the same as all the others when it's not supposed to be or vice versa). You can check it out by going to packages.gentoo.org, searching ati-drivers, then clicking the 'bugs' link. It's the newest. I would imagine that once the bug gets marked as fixed, a sync should straighten it out. I figure it should be ok again sometime tomorrow (this is not so much the kind of bug that gets left hanging. I hope). HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 22:37, Holly Bostick wrote: There's a bug on b.g.o about it. It looks like something wrong with the manifest (bad copy and paste or something; or in any case, the md5 is the same as all the others when it's not supposed to be or vice versa). You can check it out by going to packages.gentoo.org, searching ati-drivers, then clicking the 'bugs' link. It's the newest. I would imagine that once the bug gets marked as fixed, a sync should straighten it out. I figure it should be ok again sometime tomorrow (this is not so much the kind of bug that gets left hanging. I hope). HTH, Holly I did not intend to blame the original poster for anything - just from my experience it is a lot more common, that the package is defective than the md5sum is wrong - but this time it is one of this seldom cases - I would call that bad luck ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
Volker Armin Hemmann schreef: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 22:37, Holly Bostick wrote: There's a bug on b.g.o about it. It looks like something wrong with the manifest (bad copy and paste or something; or in any case, the md5 is the same as all the others when it's not supposed to be or vice versa). You can check it out by going to packages.gentoo.org, searching ati-drivers, then clicking the 'bugs' link. It's the newest. I would imagine that once the bug gets marked as fixed, a sync should straighten it out. I figure it should be ok again sometime tomorrow (this is not so much the kind of bug that gets left hanging. I hope). HTH, Holly I did not intend to blame the original poster for anything - just from my experience it is a lot more common, that the package is defective than the md5sum is wrong - but this time it is one of this seldom cases - I would call that bad luck ;) Oh, definitely. But when you're a Linux user with an ATI card, there's nothing but (I'm feeling cranky about this today :) ). I was real surprised when I got a Digest Verification Failed error today as well (twice; I synced again to see if it was fixed yet, but it wasn't. That's when I went to bugs.gentoo.org). I was, in fact, so surprised, that I was almost ready to unmask the update to 8.16.20 (-r1)-- again-- to see if *that* one worked where this update doesn't but I got busy with other stuff and didn't bother (yet). If it's still borked tomorrow, I'll probably do that, though. I'm *sure* lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place I mean, package :-D Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a bug on b.g.o about it. It looks like something wrong with themanifest (bad copy and paste or something; or in any case, the md5 is the same as all the others when it's not supposed to be or vice versa). Not to state the obvious, but here goes. Why not just regenerate the digest? If the package is OK and its just a messed up Manifest file then you should be able to use ebuild to generate a new digest and all is happy, right? At least that's how I understand things to work. -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
Michael Crute schreef: On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a bug on b.g.o about it. It looks like something wrong with the manifest (bad copy and paste or something; or in any case, the md5 is the same as all the others when it's not supposed to be or vice versa). Not to state the obvious, but here goes. Why not just regenerate the digest? If the package is OK and its just a messed up Manifest file then you should be able to use ebuild to generate a new digest and all is happy, right? At least that's how I understand things to work. -Mike Yes, 'theoretically' one could, but it's my policy not to do that for 'real' Portage packages (as opposed to overlay packages, where you of course have to digest manually). It would mean that I would have to investigate whether the package was right (and the digest wrong), or the digest was right (and the package wrong). I could, but that's what Portage (or in any case the herd responsible for these packages) is supposed to do for me, so if it gets broke in a way such as this, I let Portage get itself fixed by the experts. Yes, sometimes I do claim 'pure user' privilege. Certainly where the ATI drivers are involved. I do *not* want to get mixed up in development or development management issues there. Can you imagine the ridicule if I re-digested the package myself, it didn't work, and then I submitted a bug? I'd rather not :) . shudder Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, 'theoretically' one could, but it's my policy not to do that for'real' Portage packages (as opposed to overlay packages, where you of course have to digest manually).It would meanthat I would have to investigate whether the package was right (and thedigest wrong), or the digest was right (and the package wrong). I could,but that's what Portage (or in any case the herd responsible for these packages) is supposed to do for me, so if it gets broke ina way such as this, I let Portage get itself fixed by the experts.Yes, sometimes I do claim 'pure user' privilege. Certainly where the ATIdrivers are involved. I do *not* want to get mixed up in development or development management issues there.Can you imagine the ridicule if I re-digested the package myself, itdidn't work, and then I submitted a bug? I'd rather not :) .shudderHolly Well Holly, there is a simpler (superior?) approach... just get nVidia hardware ;-). (Thats it... I said it... I'm going no farther...not going to start a flame war!) -Mike-- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationLinux, because reboots are for installing hardware.In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
Holly has replied for me. xDD 2005/9/14, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Crute schreef: On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a bug on b.g.o about it. It looks like something wrong with the manifest (bad copy and paste or something; or in any case, the md5 is the same as all the others when it's not supposed to be or vice versa). Not to state the obvious, but here goes. Why not just regenerate the digest? If the package is OK and its just a messed up Manifest file then you should be able to use ebuild to generate a new digest and all is happy, right? At least that's how I understand things to work. -Mike Yes, 'theoretically' one could, but it's my policy not to do that for 'real' Portage packages (as opposed to overlay packages, where you of course have to digest manually). It would mean that I would have to investigate whether the package was right (and the digest wrong), or the digest was right (and the package wrong). I could, but that's what Portage (or in any case the herd responsible for these packages) is supposed to do for me, so if it gets broke in a way such as this, I let Portage get itself fixed by the experts. Yes, sometimes I do claim 'pure user' privilege. Certainly where the ATI drivers are involved. I do *not* want to get mixed up in development or development management issues there. Can you imagine the ridicule if I re-digested the package myself, it didn't work, and then I submitted a bug? I'd rather not :) . shudder Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Saludos, Rafael Fernández López. A la vista de suficientes ojos todos los errores resultan evidentes - Linus Torvalds -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
Michael Crute schreef: On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, sometimes I do claim 'pure user' privilege. Certainly where the ATI drivers are involved. I do *not* want to get mixed up in development or development management issues there. Well Holly, there is a simpler (superior?) approach... just get nVidia hardware ;-). (Thats it... I said it... I'm going no farther... not going to start a flame war!) Would have done it months ago, Mike, if there was any way, but I really have absolutely no budget, even for an MX440 (true desperation, if I'm even considering an MX 440 in this day and age. But I'd rather that than a 5200, all things considered. What I'd really like -- a 6600-- is right out). I may wind up putting my Matrox G400 Max back in here, but Wine is soo close on DX 9 (which the G400 of course does not support) that I can't bear it. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
Holly Bostick wrote: Would have done it months ago, Mike, if there was any way, but I really have absolutely no budget, even for an MX440 (true desperation, if I'm even considering an MX 440 in this day and age. But I'd rather that than a 5200, all things considered. What I'd really like -- a 6600-- is right out). I may wind up putting my Matrox G400 Max back in here, but Wine is soo close on DX 9 (which the G400 of course does not support) that I can't bear it. Holly, for what it's worth I'm using the 8.16.20 drivers with no problems on my 9800XT - perhaps I can help? The biggest problem I had was that initially it would not display anything on the CRT - the way I solved this was to add Option ForceMonitors notv to the Device section of my xorg.conf. -- Manuel A. McLure KE6TAW [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
