Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 11 May 2012 03:01:39 +0200
Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

 I'm always replying to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org and I'm not aware
 I ever used one of the addresses you mentioned below. I'm rather new
 to this forum, so it's entirely possible I did something wrong
 somewhere, so please tell me where else I should post my replies.
 And if you feel the urge to correct me on my postings you might as
 well post some advice on my problem too.
 
 michael
 

gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org is the correct address, but that's not the
mistake you made.

You started an entirely new thread of discussion by replying to an
existing message and changing the Subject line. Now, this doesn't do
what you thought it does. It continues an existing thread where the
Subject line just happens to have changed. Almost everyone here uses
intelligent mailers and this new thread is mixed up inside something
completely unrelated.

The correct thing to do when starting a new thread is to compose an
entirely new mail (not reply to an existing one and remove bits)

-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Scherer
On Fri, 11 May 2012 01:18:18 -0400
Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Michael Scherer
 a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
  I'm always replying to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org and I'm not
  aware I ever used
  one of the addresses you mentioned below. I'm rather new to this
  forum, so it's
  entirely possible I did something wrong somewhere, so please tell
  me where else
  I should post my replies.
  And if you feel the urge to correct me on my postings you might as
  well post some
  advice on my problem too.
 
 
  michael
 
  --
  Michael Scherer
  Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
  email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
  phone: +43 6991 941 22 54
 
  - Original Message - From: Stroller
  strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk
  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
  Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2012 23:08
 
  Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
 
 
 
  On 10 May 2012, at 15:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
 
 
  References: 4faa2f0d.8080...@gmail.com
         4faa595a.4040...@libertytrek.org
 
   cak2h+ec30vq09u22vac72hsqbjb2zn5b25snh6-d3cdxrre...@mail.gmail.com
 
   caa2qdgw8uuf3h-cbiqn48f+pboj3ahct2whdd1swze-g7z_...@mail.gmail.com
 
  after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
  for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
  but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
  started to accumulate, …
 
 
 
  Please don't hijack threads like this:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking
  http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8?
 
  It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients...
  In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for
  sending a new question instead of composing a new message.
 
  Stroller.
 
 
 
 He pulled those addresses from the message headers that went out with
 your initial question, which it appears you sent, aiming to start a
 new thread of discussion on, by hitting reply in the midst of
 [gentoo-user] Are those green drives any good? and changing the
 subject. It's a quick way to get a message headed towards the list,
 but it *does* throw clients that are better at thread tracking for a
 bit of a loop (and makes it easy for your question to get lost in an
 already 40+ message long thread). As for your initial question,
 building from your config on a clean (distclean, no ccache, etc)
 3.1.12 gentoo patched tree built rather quick and problem free on my
 box here (using -j5 at that. My first guess was a race issue in a
 parallel build)... You might find something notably different in your
 versions of things, so here's what I'm running on there.
 
 lanos linux-3.2.12-gentoo # emerge --info
 Portage 2.1.10.49 (default/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.5.3,
 glibc-2.14.1-r3, 3.2.1-gentoo-r2-lanos x86_64)
 =
 System uname:
 Linux-3.2.1-gentoo-r2-lanos-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-2_Quad_CPU_Q6600_@_2.40GHz-with-gentoo-2.0.3
 Timestamp of tree: Mon, 07 May 2012 17:30:01 +
 app-shells/bash:  4.2_p20 dev-lang/python:  2.7.2-r3,
 3.1.4-r3, 3.2.2 dev-util/pkgconfig:   0.26
 sys-apps/baselayout:  2.0.3
 sys-apps/openrc:  0.9.8.4
 sys-apps/sandbox: 2.5
 sys-devel/autoconf:   2.13, 2.68
 sys-devel/automake:   1.11.1
 sys-devel/binutils:   2.21.1-r1
 sys-devel/gcc:4.5.3-r2
 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.5-r2
 sys-devel/libtool:2.4-r1
 sys-devel/make:   3.82-r1
 sys-kernel/linux-headers: 3.1 (virtual/os-headers)
 sys-libs/glibc:   2.14.1-r3
 
 If you're running something newer somewhere, or vanilla-sources, or
 somesuch I can poke around a bit and see if I can replicate your
 troubles here, but I can't guarantee short timeframes... I've around
 1k miles of travelling this weekend, half of which will be learning
 quickly whether the car I just grabbed on ebay was a good idea or not.
 

Hi all,

thanks for advice, I wont make the same error again.

I use plain old gentoo-sources, but for once I'll have a shot at
some other kernel, maybe this could give me at least a hint.
I'll check your versions, I already thought some update broke
the kernel compile. Hope I'll find something.

thanks again

michael



Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-11 Thread Michael Scherer
On Fri, 11 May 2012 01:18:18 -0400
Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Michael Scherer
 a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
  I'm always replying to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org and I'm not
  aware I ever used
  one of the addresses you mentioned below. I'm rather new to this
  forum, so it's
  entirely possible I did something wrong somewhere, so please tell
  me where else
  I should post my replies.
  And if you feel the urge to correct me on my postings you might as
  well post some
  advice on my problem too.
 
 
  michael
 
  --
  Michael Scherer
  Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
  email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
  phone: +43 6991 941 22 54
 
  - Original Message - From: Stroller
  strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk
  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
  Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2012 23:08
 
  Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
 
 
 
  On 10 May 2012, at 15:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
 
 
  References: 4faa2f0d.8080...@gmail.com
         4faa595a.4040...@libertytrek.org
 
   cak2h+ec30vq09u22vac72hsqbjb2zn5b25snh6-d3cdxrre...@mail.gmail.com
 
   caa2qdgw8uuf3h-cbiqn48f+pboj3ahct2whdd1swze-g7z_...@mail.gmail.com
 
  after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
  for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
  but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
  started to accumulate, …
 
 
 
  Please don't hijack threads like this:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking
  http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8?
 
  It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients...
  In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for
  sending a new question instead of composing a new message.
 
  Stroller.
 
 
 
 He pulled those addresses from the message headers that went out with
 your initial question, which it appears you sent, aiming to start a
 new thread of discussion on, by hitting reply in the midst of
 [gentoo-user] Are those green drives any good? and changing the
 subject. It's a quick way to get a message headed towards the list,
 but it *does* throw clients that are better at thread tracking for a
 bit of a loop (and makes it easy for your question to get lost in an
 already 40+ message long thread). As for your initial question,
 building from your config on a clean (distclean, no ccache, etc)
 3.1.12 gentoo patched tree built rather quick and problem free on my
 box here (using -j5 at that. My first guess was a race issue in a
 parallel build)... You might find something notably different in your
 versions of things, so here's what I'm running on there.
 
 lanos linux-3.2.12-gentoo # emerge --info
 Portage 2.1.10.49 (default/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.5.3,
 glibc-2.14.1-r3, 3.2.1-gentoo-r2-lanos x86_64)
 =
 System uname:
 Linux-3.2.1-gentoo-r2-lanos-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-2_Quad_CPU_Q6600_@_2.40GHz-with-gentoo-2.0.3
 Timestamp of tree: Mon, 07 May 2012 17:30:01 +
 app-shells/bash:  4.2_p20 dev-lang/python:  2.7.2-r3,
 3.1.4-r3, 3.2.2 dev-util/pkgconfig:   0.26
 sys-apps/baselayout:  2.0.3
 sys-apps/openrc:  0.9.8.4
 sys-apps/sandbox: 2.5
 sys-devel/autoconf:   2.13, 2.68
 sys-devel/automake:   1.11.1
 sys-devel/binutils:   2.21.1-r1
 sys-devel/gcc:4.5.3-r2
 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.5-r2
 sys-devel/libtool:2.4-r1
 sys-devel/make:   3.82-r1
 sys-kernel/linux-headers: 3.1 (virtual/os-headers)
 sys-libs/glibc:   2.14.1-r3
 
 If you're running something newer somewhere, or vanilla-sources, or
 somesuch I can poke around a bit and see if I can replicate your
 troubles here, but I can't guarantee short timeframes... I've around
 1k miles of travelling this weekend, half of which will be learning
 quickly whether the car I just grabbed on ebay was a good idea or not.
 

I have the exact same hard- and software as described in your list,
but the result doesn't change. Below is the command that should create
mounts.o but for some reason can't make it:

init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d  
-nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include 
-I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include -Iarch/x86/include/generated 
-Iinclude  -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h 
-D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs 
-fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration 
-Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8 
-mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time -maccumulate-outgoing-args 
-fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 
-DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare 
-fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow 
-Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fno-optimize

Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-10 Thread Pandu Poluan
On May 10, 2012 9:27 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at
wrote:

 Hi all,

 after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
 for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
 but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
 started to accumulate, first it could do make but no modules,
 then kernel make made it almost and now I'm stuck with this
 rather short make output:

  HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
  HOSTCC  scripts/kconfig/conf.o
  HOSTCC  scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.o
 scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c: In function ‘header_print_comment’:
 scripts/kconfig/confdata.c:540:10: warning: ignoring return value of
  ‘fwrite’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
  scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c: In function ‘kconfig_print_comment’:
  scripts/kconfig/confdata.c:467:10: warning: ignoring return value of
  ‘fwrite’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result HOSTLD
  scripts/kconfig/conf scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig
  CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
  CC  kernel/bounds.s
  GEN include/generated/bounds.h
  CC  arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.s
  GEN include/generated/asm-offsets.h
  CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
  CC  scripts/mod/empty.o
  HOSTCC  scripts/mod/mk_elfconfig
  MKELF   scripts/mod/elfconfig.h
  HOSTCC  scripts/mod/file2alias.o
  HOSTCC  scripts/mod/modpost.o
  HOSTCC  scripts/mod/sumversion.o
  HOSTLD  scripts/mod/modpost
  HOSTCC  scripts/kallsyms
  HOSTCC  scripts/pnmtologo
  HOSTCC  scripts/conmakehash
  HOSTCC  scripts/bin2c
  CC  init/main.o
  CHK include/generated/compile.h
  CC  init/version.o
  CC  init/do_mounts.o
  CC  init/do_mounts_initrd.o
  LD  init/mounts.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
  init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
 make: *** [init] Error 2

 glibc is 2.14.1-r3, which otherwise works perfectly, so I don't
 think it's the reason.
 I cleared ccache and rebuilt the kernel sources, to no avail.

 .config is in attachments.

 Maybe someone could give me a hint, I need that kernel really
 badly and hopefully soon.

 kind regards

 michael


Make sure you're not running out of space or inodes on the mounted
filesystem.

(I once ran out of inodes even when freespace is still large. Now I do
compiles -- kernel or otherwise -- on reiserfs)

Rgds,


Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-10 Thread Michael Scherer
my /usr-partition is at 17% and all other ebuilds, like a new install of 
netbeans 7.1, run just fine,
so I doubt this could be the reason, but I'll check anyway.

thanks

michael

-- 
Michael Scherer
Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

  - Original Message - 
  From: Pandu Poluan 
  To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org 
  Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2012 16:50
  Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails



  On May 10, 2012 9:27 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
  
   Hi all,
  
   after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
   for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
   but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
   started to accumulate, first it could do make but no modules,
   then kernel make made it almost and now I'm stuck with this
   rather short make output:
  
HOSTCC  scripts/basic/fixdep
HOSTCC  scripts/kconfig/conf.o
HOSTCC  scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.o
   scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c: In function ‘header_print_comment’:
   scripts/kconfig/confdata.c:540:10: warning: ignoring return value of
‘fwrite’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result
scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c: In function ‘kconfig_print_comment’:
scripts/kconfig/confdata.c:467:10: warning: ignoring return value of
‘fwrite’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result HOSTLD
scripts/kconfig/conf scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig
CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
CC  kernel/bounds.s
GEN include/generated/bounds.h
CC  arch/x86/kernel/asm-offsets.s
GEN include/generated/asm-offsets.h
CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
CC  scripts/mod/empty.o
HOSTCC  scripts/mod/mk_elfconfig
MKELF   scripts/mod/elfconfig.h
HOSTCC  scripts/mod/file2alias.o
HOSTCC  scripts/mod/modpost.o
HOSTCC  scripts/mod/sumversion.o
HOSTLD  scripts/mod/modpost
HOSTCC  scripts/kallsyms
HOSTCC  scripts/pnmtologo
HOSTCC  scripts/conmakehash
HOSTCC  scripts/bin2c
CC  init/main.o
CHK include/generated/compile.h
CC  init/version.o
CC  init/do_mounts.o
CC  init/do_mounts_initrd.o
LD  init/mounts.o
   ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
   make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
   make: *** [init] Error 2
  
   glibc is 2.14.1-r3, which otherwise works perfectly, so I don't
   think it's the reason.
   I cleared ccache and rebuilt the kernel sources, to no avail.
  
   .config is in attachments.
  
   Maybe someone could give me a hint, I need that kernel really
   badly and hopefully soon.
  
   kind regards
  
   michael
  

  Make sure you're not running out of space or inodes on the mounted filesystem.

  (I once ran out of inodes even when freespace is still large. Now I do 
compiles -- kernel or otherwise -- on reiserfs)

  Rgds,



Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-10 Thread Stroller

On 10 May 2012, at 15:20, Michael Scherer wrote:
 
 References: 4faa2f0d.8080...@gmail.com
 4faa595a.4040...@libertytrek.org
 cak2h+ec30vq09u22vac72hsqbjb2zn5b25snh6-d3cdxrre...@mail.gmail.com
 caa2qdgw8uuf3h-cbiqn48f+pboj3ahct2whdd1swze-g7z_...@mail.gmail.com
 
 after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
 for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
 but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
 started to accumulate, …


Please don't hijack threads like this:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking
 http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8?

 It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients...
 In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending
 a new question instead of composing a new message.

Stroller.


Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-10 Thread Michael Scherer

I'm always replying to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org and I'm not aware I ever 
used
one of the addresses you mentioned below. I'm rather new to this forum, so it's
entirely possible I did something wrong somewhere, so please tell me where else
I should post my replies.
And if you feel the urge to correct me on my postings you might as well post 
some
advice on my problem too.

michael

--
Michael Scherer
Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

- Original Message - 
From: Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk

To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2012 23:08
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails



On 10 May 2012, at 15:20, Michael Scherer wrote:


References: 4faa2f0d.8080...@gmail.com
4faa595a.4040...@libertytrek.org
cak2h+ec30vq09u22vac72hsqbjb2zn5b25snh6-d3cdxrre...@mail.gmail.com
caa2qdgw8uuf3h-cbiqn48f+pboj3ahct2whdd1swze-g7z_...@mail.gmail.com

after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
started to accumulate, …



Please don't hijack threads like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking
http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8?

It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients...
In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending
a new question instead of composing a new message.

Stroller.





Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-10 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Michael Scherer
a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
 I'm always replying to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org and I'm not aware I ever
 used
 one of the addresses you mentioned below. I'm rather new to this forum, so
 it's
 entirely possible I did something wrong somewhere, so please tell me where
 else
 I should post my replies.
 And if you feel the urge to correct me on my postings you might as well post
 some
 advice on my problem too.


 michael

 --
 Michael Scherer
 Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
 email: michael.sche...@meduniwien.ac.at
 phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

 - Original Message - From: Stroller
 strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2012 23:08

 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails



 On 10 May 2012, at 15:20, Michael Scherer wrote:


 References: 4faa2f0d.8080...@gmail.com
        4faa595a.4040...@libertytrek.org

  cak2h+ec30vq09u22vac72hsqbjb2zn5b25snh6-d3cdxrre...@mail.gmail.com

  caa2qdgw8uuf3h-cbiqn48f+pboj3ahct2whdd1swze-g7z_...@mail.gmail.com

 after downloading the 3.2.12-sources everything went fine
 for a couple of weeks, I compiled them a couple of times,
 but suddenly, maybe because of some world-updates, errors
 started to accumulate, …



 Please don't hijack threads like this:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking
 http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/msg/8a540add45e7e9b8?

 It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients...
 In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending
 a new question instead of composing a new message.

 Stroller.



He pulled those addresses from the message headers that went out with
your initial question, which it appears you sent, aiming to start a
new thread of discussion on, by hitting reply in the midst of
[gentoo-user] Are those green drives any good? and changing the
subject. It's a quick way to get a message headed towards the list,
but it *does* throw clients that are better at thread tracking for a
bit of a loop (and makes it easy for your question to get lost in an
already 40+ message long thread). As for your initial question,
building from your config on a clean (distclean, no ccache, etc)
3.1.12 gentoo patched tree built rather quick and problem free on my
box here (using -j5 at that. My first guess was a race issue in a
parallel build)... You might find something notably different in your
versions of things, so here's what I'm running on there.

lanos linux-3.2.12-gentoo # emerge --info
Portage 2.1.10.49 (default/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.5.3,
glibc-2.14.1-r3, 3.2.1-gentoo-r2-lanos x86_64)
=
System uname: 
Linux-3.2.1-gentoo-r2-lanos-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-2_Quad_CPU_Q6600_@_2.40GHz-with-gentoo-2.0.3
Timestamp of tree: Mon, 07 May 2012 17:30:01 +
app-shells/bash:  4.2_p20
dev-lang/python:  2.7.2-r3, 3.1.4-r3, 3.2.2
dev-util/pkgconfig:   0.26
sys-apps/baselayout:  2.0.3
sys-apps/openrc:  0.9.8.4
sys-apps/sandbox: 2.5
sys-devel/autoconf:   2.13, 2.68
sys-devel/automake:   1.11.1
sys-devel/binutils:   2.21.1-r1
sys-devel/gcc:4.5.3-r2
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.5-r2
sys-devel/libtool:2.4-r1
sys-devel/make:   3.82-r1
sys-kernel/linux-headers: 3.1 (virtual/os-headers)
sys-libs/glibc:   2.14.1-r3

If you're running something newer somewhere, or vanilla-sources, or
somesuch I can poke around a bit and see if I can replicate your
troubles here, but I can't guarantee short timeframes... I've around
1k miles of travelling this weekend, half of which will be learning
quickly whether the car I just grabbed on ebay was a good idea or not.

-- 
Poison [BLX]
Joshua M. Murphy