Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:08:24 +0100 Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Thursday 06 October 2011 17:40:33 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 06.10.2011 17:25, schrieb Michael Mol: Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) And even if the results a true and not an error then there is a list of possible explanations. Most of them leave c as upper limit in place. Quantum Mechanics has many aces in his sleeve like micro wormholes or traveling through higher dimensions. All these dimensions from string theorie must be good for something ;-) Just think of the consequences if c is not the ultimate speed limit. I am, and they're so numerous that I can't even contemplate them all. Permit me to direct you to the pearl of wisdom about that in the movie K-Pax -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:18:49 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was continually faced with youngsters' ideas for improving the company's methods. Stupid, every one. When challenged, they couldn't say how their proposed new solutions would lead to specified gains by anybody, but the changes were forced through anyway. This isn't get-up-and-go; it's I've-got-to-make-my- mark. Pathetic. But not comparable. The reasons for the changes in GRUB2 have been given. I may not like how they have implemented everything, splitting the settings between config files in two separate directories means you always look in the wrong place first, but I understand the need for the changes even if I don't need the vast majority of them. Problems with upgrading from GRUB1 to GRUB2 are irrelevant. If you have a working legacy installation, there is absolutely no reason to change beyond curiosity. -- Neil Bothwick Barnum was wrongit's more like every 30 seconds! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:12:37 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:18:49 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was continually faced with youngsters' ideas for improving the company's methods. Stupid, every one. When challenged, they couldn't say how their proposed new solutions would lead to specified gains by anybody, but the changes were forced through anyway. This isn't get-up-and-go; it's I've-got-to-make-my- mark. Pathetic. But not comparable. The reasons for the changes in GRUB2 have been given. I may not like how they have implemented everything, splitting the settings between config files in two separate directories means you always look in the wrong place first, but I understand the need for the changes even if I don't need the vast majority of them. Problems with upgrading from GRUB1 to GRUB2 are irrelevant. If you have a working legacy installation, there is absolutely no reason to change beyond curiosity. Well the only constant is change, right? The trick is to spot the difference between change for the sake of change and change that does make sense. This usually means getting inside someone's head, which makes life fun. Doubly so if the change proposer works in sales -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Well the only constant is change, right? It is now that c is in doubt :) The trick is to spot the difference between change for the sake of change and change that does make sense. This usually means getting inside someone's head, which makes life fun. Doubly so if the change proposer works in sales What about marketing, or do you not even attempt it then? -- Neil Bothwick Zmodem has bigger bits, softer blocks, and tighter ASCII signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:47:26 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Well the only constant is change, right? It is now that c is in doubt :) ooo! wicked pun! Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? The trick is to spot the difference between change for the sake of change and change that does make sense. This usually means getting inside someone's head, which makes life fun. Doubly so if the change proposer works in sales What about marketing, or do you not even attempt it then? Where I work, marketing are forbidden from not only coming up with ideas, but from communicating with techies at all. Our marketing dept is old-fashioned - promote stuff we already have, get the public to think well of the company, dream up a new logo every 5 years. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:47:26 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Well the only constant is change, right? It is now that c is in doubt :) ooo! wicked pun! Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:25:04 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:47:26 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:01:11 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Well the only constant is change, right? It is now that c is in doubt :) ooo! wicked pun! Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) Boys and girls, Allow me to introduce to you the third member of the Alan and Neil Wise-cracking Wise-ass Club: Michael Mol! round of applause -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:25:04 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) You're right, c isn't in doubt :P -- Neil Bothwick Minds are like parachutes; they only function when fully open. * Sir James Dewar signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
Am 06.10.2011 17:25, schrieb Michael Mol: Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) And even if the results a true and not an error then there is a list of possible explanations. Most of them leave c as upper limit in place. Quantum Mechanics has many aces in his sleeve like micro wormholes or traveling through higher dimensions. All these dimensions from string theorie must be good for something ;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Thursday 06 October 2011 17:40:33 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 06.10.2011 17:25, schrieb Michael Mol: Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) And even if the results a true and not an error then there is a list of possible explanations. Most of them leave c as upper limit in place. Quantum Mechanics has many aces in his sleeve like micro wormholes or traveling through higher dimensions. All these dimensions from string theorie must be good for something ;-) Just think of the consequences if c is not the ultimate speed limit. I am, and they're so numerous that I can't even contemplate them all. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Oct 6, 2011 8:10 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Thursday 06 October 2011 17:40:33 Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 06.10.2011 17:25, schrieb Michael Mol: Let's hold a poll. How many list readers get it? It's not c which is in doubt, but its function as an upper limit. ;) And even if the results a true and not an error then there is a list of possible explanations. Most of them leave c as upper limit in place. Quantum Mechanics has many aces in his sleeve like micro wormholes or traveling through higher dimensions. All these dimensions from string theorie must be good for something ;-) Just think of the consequences if c is not the ultimate speed limit. I am, and they're so numerous that I can't even contemplate them all. Avoiding fantasizing about FTL physical travel, FTL information transfer using nutrinos strikes me as the most fascinating prospect. Imagine being able to set up a direct point-to-point link through the globe. Skip surface latency, get a direct Gigabit link between, e.g. Australia and the US.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 08:56:54AM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 10/04/2011 06:16 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 4, 2011 5:10 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote: Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can you post your experience on the switching process? Was it difficult? I use it on my netbook, which I admittedly don't boot more than a couple of times a month. It's stable, I can't comment on the switching process as I used GRUB2 from the start with this machine, it seemed a good time to get to grips with it. GRUB2 is neither complicated nor difficult, but it is different. If you try to think in terms of legacy GRUB, you will have more problems than if you approach is as learning a new system. Kind of tangential... Why does Gentoo still 'standardize' on grub instead of going forward with grub2? Grub2 is weird (coming from anything that isn't grub2), and if you mess up the upgrade, you can't boot. It's a support nightmare. Wow - what an improvement. :| Terry
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
Am Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:20:07 -0700 schrieb ny6...@gmail.com: Why does Gentoo still 'standardize' on grub instead of going forward with grub2? Grub2 is weird (coming from anything that isn't grub2), and if you mess up the upgrade, you can't boot. It's a support nightmare. Wow - what an improvement. :| if you mess up the bootloader you can't boot. thats trivial, easy to solve and not at all related to grub2. im not defending grub2 (the little i know about it is what has been said here) but sometimes things indeed need to change in order to improve.
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Wednesday 05 October 2011 17:47:21 Jonas de Buhr wrote: sometimes things indeed need to change in order to improve. I remember things being improved. While I was in my 50s I was continually faced with youngsters' ideas for improving the company's methods. Stupid, every one. When challenged, they couldn't say how their proposed new solutions would lead to specified gains by anybody, but the changes were forced through anyway. This isn't get-up-and-go; it's I've-got-to-make-my- mark. Pathetic. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote: Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can you post your experience on the switching process? Was it difficult? I use it on my netbook, which I admittedly don't boot more than a couple of times a month. It's stable, I can't comment on the switching process as I used GRUB2 from the start with this machine, it seemed a good time to get to grips with it. GRUB2 is neither complicated nor difficult, but it is different. If you try to think in terms of legacy GRUB, you will have more problems than if you approach is as learning a new system. -- Neil Bothwick In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On Oct 4, 2011 5:10 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote: Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can you post your experience on the switching process? Was it difficult? I use it on my netbook, which I admittedly don't boot more than a couple of times a month. It's stable, I can't comment on the switching process as I used GRUB2 from the start with this machine, it seemed a good time to get to grips with it. GRUB2 is neither complicated nor difficult, but it is different. If you try to think in terms of legacy GRUB, you will have more problems than if you approach is as learning a new system. Kind of tangential... Why does Gentoo still 'standardize' on grub instead of going forward with grub2? Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
On 10/04/2011 06:16 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Oct 4, 2011 5:10 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:49:56 -0500, Dale wrote: Subject line says it pretty well. Is grub2 stable, who uses it and can you post your experience on the switching process? Was it difficult? I use it on my netbook, which I admittedly don't boot more than a couple of times a month. It's stable, I can't comment on the switching process as I used GRUB2 from the start with this machine, it seemed a good time to get to grips with it. GRUB2 is neither complicated nor difficult, but it is different. If you try to think in terms of legacy GRUB, you will have more problems than if you approach is as learning a new system. Kind of tangential... Why does Gentoo still 'standardize' on grub instead of going forward with grub2? Grub2 is weird (coming from anything that isn't grub2), and if you mess up the upgrade, you can't boot. It's a support nightmare.
