Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 08:56 schrieb ext Daevid Vincent: I've been running 2.6.10 for some time. Then I started reading some stuff that I should update my Dell Inspiron 8200 notebook to UDEV. So I followed the gentoo wiki page and used kernel 2.6.13. This caused (known) issues with my nvidia driver and I couldn't get the USB mouse to work (yet the alps pad AND track point both worked fine). How did you set it up? Where didn't it work, X, gpm? I didn't know what else was going to not work, so I said the hell with this as I'd already wasted enough time and went back to my old kernel image (until the udev people get their shit together and this is more stable). Udev works fine for me since months, now. I unmerged 'udev' I re-emerged devfsd Things were generally working fine (with 2.6.10) Tonight I tried to make a new 2.6.14 kernel (using make oldconfig) and when it booted, there was some message that I don't have DEVFS or UDEV installed and so many things didn't work including sound, nvidia, wireless, etc. I re-read the udev wiki page and tried to find the 'make menuconfig' options they suggest and can't find them. I also grepped my .config for both UDEV and DEVFS and found nothing. WTF! Config options for devfs were removed in 2.6.14. However, the code is still there (for now). How do I use the good old devfs with the 2.6.14+ kernels?! Where are the freakin' settings? What do I need to change/fix to get it to work again. They are commented out. Just grep your kernel source tree for CONFIG_DEVFS and comment them in again. However, sooner or later the devfs code will be removed from the kernel, maybe already in 2.6.15 or .16. If you tell us more details about your problems with udev, people here on the list will try to help you sort them out. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpXLfZF2dqZy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
(I think, without checking) devfs has been removed from 2.6.14 and everything is supposed to be udev from now on. A suggestion made out of frustration with 2.6.14 - use 2.6.13-r3 first. Some kernel versions have had glitches with udev, and I know -r2 and -r3 are working for me on the i82k. The reason is that 2.6.14 has made some rather large leaps that created problems for me (so far all 3 machines, inc. desktops Ive tried have headaches!) First udev, install udev according to the gentoo guide and that should work fine. Check the udev USE flag so and emerge world --newuse if neccessary. Strongly reccomended: use the tarball method, not pure udev! you have enough problems without trying to sort that out. Once its working and reliable, make the step to 2.6.14-r2 Traps for 2.6.14 are: dont select both the log and ulog targets together in the netfilter modules or you wont have any logging (changes mean only a single target can be selected at a time - of course in true unix fashion they dont tell you that, or prevent you from doing it:( Only wpa_supplicant version 0.4.5 seems to work pcmcia stuff seems to have changed somewhat, and I changed to pcmciautils which was probably not necessary looking back, but it works nicely and pcmcia-cs is on the way out. wireless (madwifi) is now working fine (still got to check no encryption which I have not been able to get to work under 2.6.13) - I turned all kernel wireless stuff off and use wpa_supplicant and madwifi softwaresuspend2 rc9 works with 2.6.14 - r10 and r11 have bugs, the earlier ones dont apply cleanly. The cisco-vpnclient wont compile against 2.6.14 until you delete some lines out of one of the files: there's patches/instructions on the forums. Also, with the latest security bug in one of the protocols it uses, an update will be along soon I'd say. Ive had no problems with the 6629 series nvidia drivers, manually patched for suspend2, but this was on a desktop (gforce4) as the i82k uses a radeon card. Had to use the ~x86 x11-drm to compile the radeon drm driver against 2.6.14 2.6.14 is looking like a major pita so far. I have another machine to do tonight, but hopefully there wont be any new dramas. BillK On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 23:56 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote: I've been running 2.6.10 for some time. Then I started reading some stuff that I should update my Dell Inspiron 8200 notebook to UDEV. So I followed the gentoo wiki page and used kernel 2.6.13. This caused (known) issues with my nvidia driver and I couldn't get the USB mouse to work (yet the alps pad AND track point both worked fine). I didn't know what else was going to not work, so I said the hell with this as I'd already wasted enough time and went back to my old kernel image (until the udev people get their shit together and this is more stable). I unmerged 'udev' I re-emerged devfsd Things were generally working fine (with 2.6.10) Tonight I tried to make a new 2.6.14 kernel (using make oldconfig) and when it booted, there was some message that I don't have DEVFS or UDEV installed and so many things didn't work including sound, nvidia, wireless, etc. I re-read the udev wiki page and tried to find the 'make menuconfig' options they suggest and can't find them. I also grepped my .config for both UDEV and DEVFS and found nothing. WTF! How do I use the good old devfs with the 2.6.14+ kernels?! Where are the freakin' settings? What do I need to change/fix to get it to work again. UGH! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 09:22 schrieb ext W.Kenworthy: (I think, without checking) devfs has been removed from 2.6.14 and everything is supposed to be udev from now on. Nope, not yet. Only the config options have been commented out. First udev, install udev according to the gentoo guide and that should work fine. Check the udev USE flag so and emerge world --newuse if neccessary. Strongly reccomended: use the tarball method, not pure udev! you have enough problems without trying to sort that out. I would recommend to _not_ use the tarball method :-). I've always had problems when I forgot to set RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=no in /etc/conf.d/rc after baselayout update (can't remember what kind of problems, though). It is, however, a good idea to create permanent /dev/null and /dev/console nodes with mknod beforehand. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpozIUDSQTLo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 09:42 schrieb ext Dirk Heinrichs: Nope, not yet. Only the config options have been commented out. Correction: The config options have been removed, not just commented out. The devfs code is still there. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpYSAGoKROYS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
Correction: The config options have been removed, not just commented out. The devfs code is still there. You mean there's still devfs in 2.6.14, but it is hidden? What's the sense of this? m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 10:19 schrieb ext brullo nulla: You mean there's still devfs in 2.6.14, but it is hidden? What's the sense of this? It's very hard to remove devfs from the kernel. Just removing the configure options for it makes it easier to put it in again, in case of to much complains about its removal. In addition, kernel developers can now remove devfs code piece by piece behind the scenes. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgp3mRlaqrPQ4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
On 11/16/05, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 10:19 schrieb ext brullo nulla: You mean there's still devfs in 2.6.14, but it is hidden? What's the sense of this? It's very hard to remove devfs from the kernel. Just removing the configure options for it makes it easier to put it in again, in case of to much complains about its removal. In addition, kernel developers can now remove devfs code piece by piece behind the scenes. No, it's not. Greg-KH (also a Gentoo developer, BTW) has posted patches to completely remove the devfs code for every kernel for the last few releases (starting with 2.6.11, I think). It _is_ going away, and it is going away very soon. David, udev works, and it works well. If you have problems migrating, post here and we will help you. But whining about devfs going away will fall on deaf ears. That horse died a very long time ago. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
Yes udev works, however works well is something else entirely. Udev has been the bane of my life a number of times - at least with devfs I had a chance of working it out. It often seems like we take two steps back with every new approach, and take a lot of pain just to get back to where we were. But I digress. BillK On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 09:26 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 11/16/05, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 16. November 2005 10:19 schrieb ext brullo nulla: David, udev works, and it works well. If you have problems migrating, -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I use 2.6.14 and remove udev and go back to devfs
On 11/16/05, William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes udev works, however works well is something else entirely. Udev has been the bane of my life a number of times - at least with devfs I had a chance of working it out. It often seems like we take two steps back with every new approach, and take a lot of pain just to get back to where we were. That's probably because you don't really see the value of udev. Looking at my 10-local.rules, I have rules that: 1. ensure that whatever wireless card I decide to plugin becomes wlan, instead of eth0, ath0, or wlan0. 2. Makes all of my usb media devices (flash disks, 2.5in hard disks, 3.5in HDs, and media reader) show up at persistent nodes, instead of sdX devices where X depends on what devices are connected and the order that they are turned on. Neither of the above is possible with a static configuration or devfs. Yes, there are problems from time to time (like when all of the devfs compatibility nodes were removed!). But I've never had a problem debugging what udev was doing (set udev_log in udev.conf and watch /var/log/messages). -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
