Re: [gentoo-user] Kde 5 Latin characters

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hello, Raphael.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:49:07 -0300, Raphael MD wrote:
> Hi,

> I've installed kde 5 on my laptop, who have us keyboard.

> My Gentoo was installed with pt-BR and en-US L10N and locale.

> Despite that fact that I'm running a English system, I need to write in
> Portuguese.

> The problem is, when I type ~+a, my system writes ~a and not my desired
> chapter ã, the same for '+c that is showed 'c and not ç.

> I've realised when I set my keyboard config at kde, abnt2-br, keys
> combinations works well to show Latin characters, but when I set us generic
> keyboard, that is my keyboard layout, those key combinations to obtain
> Latin characters goes wrong.

> Anybody can suffered that?

Yes, I had basically the same problem when I wanted to enhance my
British English X keyboard layout to allow me to type German characters
with the  key, etc.

I contributed the method of doing this to the Gentoo wiki at
.

It's quite involved, and you have to patch source files to do it.

Best of luck!

> Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Daniel Frey]

On 06/15/2017 11:20 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:07:45 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:
> 
>>> I avoid all those issues by installing SSHhelper on Android and
>>> copying files with scp you can also open ssh views in Dolphin if the
>>> mouse is more your thing.
> 
>> Thanks for the tip. I installed SSHelper and was able to log in with
>> bash but Dolphin whines about the connection being broken with fish://
>> and with sftp:// it says the password is incorrect (it IS correct, I
>> used it from a bash prompt.) Any clues?
> 
> I just tried pointing Dolphin at sftp://192.168.1.135: and logged in
> using root and the set password.
> 
> 

I think Dolphin was remembering something, I closed all the Dolphin
windows and tried it again and it seems to be working. I'm pretty sure I
haven't used ssh to the phone before. I wonder what caused that...

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:07:45 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:

> > I avoid all those issues by installing SSHhelper on Android and
> > copying files with scp you can also open ssh views in Dolphin if the
> > mouse is more your thing.

> Thanks for the tip. I installed SSHelper and was able to log in with
> bash but Dolphin whines about the connection being broken with fish://
> and with sftp:// it says the password is incorrect (it IS correct, I
> used it from a bash prompt.) Any clues?

I just tried pointing Dolphin at sftp://192.168.1.135: and logged in
using root and the set password.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Daniel Frey]

On 06/14/2017 11:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:29:14 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
>> Android and iphones can be accessed as a USB drive. Doesn't this work?
> 
> No they can't, at least not the modern Android phones. allowing two
> systems to mount the same filesystem is a recipe for disaster. That's why
> we have MTP, which would be the perfect answer... if it worked reliably.
> 
> I avoid all those issues by installing SSHhelper on Android and copying
> files with scp you can also open ssh views in Dolphin if the mouse is
> more your thing.
> 
> 

Thanks for the tip. I installed SSHelper and was able to log in with
bash but Dolphin whines about the connection being broken with fish://
and with sftp:// it says the password is incorrect (it IS correct, I
used it from a bash prompt.) Any clues?

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:26 AM, Neil Bothwick  wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:29:14 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>> Android and iphones can be accessed as a USB drive. Doesn't this work?
>
> No they can't, at least not the modern Android phones. allowing two
> systems to mount the same filesystem is a recipe for disaster. That's why
> we have MTP, which would be the perfect answer... if it worked reliably.
>

As it used to be implemented the phone would simply freeze. For some
reason this was seen as unacceptable. SSH helper is very interesting,
though.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:04:26 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> > I avoid all those issues by installing SSHhelper on Android and
> > copying files with scp you can also open ssh views in Dolphin if the
> > mouse is more your thing.  
> 
> That's interesting. What kind of network connection do you use? 

The phone is connected by wifi to the same network as the computer.

I use SSH for one off copies, for syncing directories I use
net-p2p/syncthing.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 15 Jun 2017 07:26:45 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:29:14 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Android and iphones can be accessed as a USB drive. Doesn't this work?
> 
> No they can't, at least not the modern Android phones. allowing two
> systems to mount the same filesystem is a recipe for disaster. That's why
> we have MTP, which would be the perfect answer... if it worked reliably.
> 
> I avoid all those issues by installing SSHhelper on Android and copying
> files with scp you can also open ssh views in Dolphin if the mouse is
> more your thing.

That's interesting. What kind of network connection do you use? 

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:29:14 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> Android and iphones can be accessed as a USB drive. Doesn't this work?

No they can't, at least not the modern Android phones. allowing two
systems to mount the same filesystem is a recipe for disaster. That's why
we have MTP, which would be the perfect answer... if it worked reliably.

I avoid all those issues by installing SSHhelper on Android and copying
files with scp you can also open ssh views in Dolphin if the mouse is
more your thing.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[J. Roeleveld]

On June 14, 2017 10:43:33 PM GMT+02:00, Daniel Frey  wrote:
>On 06/14/2017 12:47 PM, Mick wrote:
>> 
>> A long shot, but you never know if it will help in your case. 
>(Re)install 
>> kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1 and see if all this multiple-asking for 
>> permission goes away.  It may just be that the KDE application in
>question was 
>> working well with kwalletd:4, but not kwalletd:5.
>> 
>
>I'll try that later on, too busy digging in my yard. Stopped for a
>break.
>
>I should mention I don't use kwallet, I turn that crap off.
>
>The device doing all the prompting was the phone itself. The phone
>usually would ask once for permission but it seems to ask so quickly
>you
>can't respond to them causing the mtp driver to barf.
>
>Dan

Android and iphones can be accessed as a USB drive. Doesn't this work?

I found MTP unreliable both with Linux and MS Windows.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Daniel Frey]

On 06/14/2017 12:47 PM, Mick wrote:
> 
> A long shot, but you never know if it will help in your case.  (Re)install 
> kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1 and see if all this multiple-asking for 
> permission goes away.  It may just be that the KDE application in question 
> was 
> working well with kwalletd:4, but not kwalletd:5.
> 

I'll try that later on, too busy digging in my yard. Stopped for a break.

I should mention I don't use kwallet, I turn that crap off.

The device doing all the prompting was the phone itself. The phone
usually would ask once for permission but it seems to ask so quickly you
can't respond to them causing the mtp driver to barf.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[R0b0t1]

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Frey  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why KDE/mtp would exhibit this type of behaviour?
>

Unfortunately I don't have an installation to reproduce this with but
I'd blame the underlying MTP implementation first. It may have changed
unbeknownst to KDE and thus KDE tries to connect repeatedly, or KDE is
invoking it incorrectly. Is there anywhere you can see log messages?

When I was trying to actually use my mobile device as advertised it
was recommended I use the command line MTP tools - at the very least
this will give you better errors. More recently I've regressed to
using SD cards (and met a few people who do the same, even on
Windows), which can be a pain if it's behind the battery cover.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 MTP failure

[Mick]

On Wednesday 14 Jun 2017 08:05:47 Daniel Frey wrote:
> Well, did I just have an exercise in frustration.
> 
> I needed to get a couple pictures off my phone (using MTP) so I plugged
> it into my computer. It asked for permission on my phone, I allowed it -
> then KDE reports the MTP process died.
> 
> So I tried a second time but faster tapping 'allow' on my phone and got
> it to list directory contents.
> 
> I selected the five pictures I needed, and dragged and dropped them to
> their destination (Pictures folder).
> 
> The phone then asked for permission five time in about 500ms - not
> enough to allow them.
> 
> So the MTP process crapped out again.
> 
> I repeated this three times and cursed at KDE (it used to work, I
> haven't had to copy files off my phone in more than six months) and
> emailed them to myself.
> 
> Does anyone know why KDE/mtp would exhibit this type of behaviour?
> 
> Dan

A long shot, but you never know if it will help in your case.  (Re)install 
kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1 and see if all this multiple-asking for 
permission goes away.  It may just be that the KDE application in question was 
working well with kwalletd:4, but not kwalletd:5.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons : partly solved

[P Levine]

Last thing.  You may want to try x11-misc/qt5ct and see if it helps.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Mick  wrote:

> On Saturday 17 Sep 2016 02:04:19 P Levine wrote:
> > If you can get systemsettings working, the setting would be in "Input
> > Devices" -> "Mouse".
> >
> > Otherwise, here's some example configs:
> >
> > ~/.config/org.kde.gwenviewrc 
> > ~/.config/kdeglobals (debian) 
> > ~/.config/kdeglobals (gentoo) 
>
> Thanks, I already have mouse settings to 'SingleClick=true' but it doesn't
> work in Dolphin, nor do any menu icons show up.  In addition, the Network
> places is empty.  Thankfully, in Konqueror all of the above features are
> working as they should.  :-)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons : partly solved

[Mick]

On Saturday 17 Sep 2016 02:04:19 P Levine wrote:
> If you can get systemsettings working, the setting would be in "Input
> Devices" -> "Mouse".
> 
> Otherwise, here's some example configs:
> 
> ~/.config/org.kde.gwenviewrc 
> ~/.config/kdeglobals (debian) 
> ~/.config/kdeglobals (gentoo) 

Thanks, I already have mouse settings to 'SingleClick=true' but it doesn't 
work in Dolphin, nor do any menu icons show up.  In addition, the Network 
places is empty.  Thankfully, in Konqueror all of the above features are 
working as they should.  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons : partly solved

[P Levine]

If you can get systemsettings working, the setting would be in "Input
Devices" -> "Mouse".

Otherwise, here's some example configs:

~/.config/org.kde.gwenviewrc 
~/.config/kdeglobals (debian) 
~/.config/kdeglobals (gentoo) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons : more progress

[Mick]

On Friday 16 Sep 2016 13:37:58 Philip Webb wrote:
> 160916 Philip Webb wrote:
> > 160915 P Levine wrote:
> >>> 160913 Philip Webb wrote:
> >>> I've updated to KDE 5 , incl Gwenview + Oxygen-icons,
> >>> but even after a reboot the icons are not showing on the screen ;
> > 
> > the Arch Forum has another suggestion, which improves things,
> > ie to create  ~/.config/kdeglobals  & include
> > 
> >   [Icons]
> >   Theme=oxygen
> > 
> > That gets the folder icons in the browse view,
> > tho' not the icons in the toolbars.
> 
> I tried another brute-force approach,
> moved  /usr/share/icons/hi-color  to  -/-/-/hicolor-dft
> & made a symlink  -/-/-/hicolor -> oxygen .
> This has restored the toolbar icons, while folder icons remain ok.
> 
> However :
> > I also have the other problem the Arch OP had encountered,
> > ie selecting items now requires a double-click.  I added
> > 
> >   [KDE]
> >   SingleClick=true
> > 
> > but it has made no difference.
> > 
> > Is there a help file somewhere listing possible lines in  kdeglobals ?
> 
> These  2  questions remain unanswered : can anyone offer suggestions ?

I am running Dolphin:

Version 16.04.3

Using:
KDE Frameworks 5.23.0
Qt 5.6.1 (built against 5.6.1)
The xcb windowing system


I am also running Konqueror:

Version 4.14.20


Since the update to 4.14.20, Konqueror has regained its ability to work as a 
file manager, open directories/files with single click, have icons in its menu 
bar and its drop down menus.  From what I can tell it works as it always did 
in the pre-plasma days.

Unlike Konqueror, Dolphin looks, feels and works like a half baked alpha 
version software with missing functionality.  No icons, have to double click 
for everything and whatever else may still not work properly.  I am guessing 
that it is not yet ready for human consumption, but future versions will 
hopefully work properly again.  Until then I will continue to use Konqueror, 
as I have always done under KDE2,3,4.  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons : more progress

[Philip Webb]

160916 Philip Webb wrote:
> 160915 P Levine wrote:
>>> 160913 Philip Webb wrote:
>>> I've updated to KDE 5 , incl Gwenview + Oxygen-icons,
>>> but even after a reboot the icons are not showing on the screen ;
> the Arch Forum has another suggestion, which improves things,
> ie to create  ~/.config/kdeglobals  & include
> 
>   [Icons]
>   Theme=oxygen
> 
> That gets the folder icons in the browse view,
> tho' not the icons in the toolbars.

I tried another brute-force approach,
moved  /usr/share/icons/hi-color  to  -/-/-/hicolor-dft
& made a symlink  -/-/-/hicolor -> oxygen .
This has restored the toolbar icons, while folder icons remain ok.

However :

> I also have the other problem the Arch OP had encountered,
> ie selecting items now requires a double-click.  I added
> 
>   [KDE]
>   SingleClick=true
> 
> but it has made no difference.
> 
> Is there a help file somewhere listing possible lines in  kdeglobals ?

These  2  questions remain unanswered : can anyone offer suggestions ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons : partly solved

[Philip Webb]

160915 P Levine wrote:
>> 160913 Philip Webb wrote:
>> I've updated to KDE 5 , incl Gwenview + Oxygen-icons,
>> but even after a reboot the icons are not showing on the screen ;
>> it also occurs with Kshisen.  The problem cb seen at
>>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-gwenview.png
>> I'm using Fluxbox to manage my desktop, but want to use KDE apps.
>> I've installed Systemsettings,
>> but 'systemsettings5' offers a rather limited choice
>> -- see http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-ssettings1.png
>>http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-ssettings2.png
>> & setting icon theme to Oxygen makes no difference to Gwenview.
> Try running this in a shell:
>   XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=kde gwenview
> If it solves the issue, you will need to export "XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=kde".
> See here for more info:
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1501729#p1501729

This seems to have no extra effect,
but the Arch Forum has another suggestion, which improves things,
ie to create  ~/.config/kdeglobals  & include

  [Icons]
  Theme=oxygen

That gets the folder icons in the browse view,
tho' not the icons in the toolbars.

I also have the other problem the Arch OP had encountered,
ie selecting items now requires a double-click.  I added

  [KDE]
  SingleClick=true

but it has made no difference.

Is there a help file somewhere listing possible lines in  kdeglobals ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons

[Philip Webb]

160915 P Levine wrote:
> Try running this in a shell:
>   XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=kde gwenview
> If it solves the issue,
> you will need to export "XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=kde".
> See here for more info:
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1501729#p1501729

The OP of that thread seems to have experienced what I am experiencing.
No, you suggestion (thanks) makes no difference.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons

[P Levine]

Try running this in a shell:

XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=kde gwenview


If it solves the issue, you will need to export "XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=kde".
See here for more info:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1501729#p1501729

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Philip Webb  wrote:

> 160913 P Levine wrote:
> > 160913 Philip Webb wrote:
> >> I've updated to KDE 5 , incl Gwenview + Oxygen-icons,
> >> but even after a reboot the icons are not showing on the screen ;
> >> it also occurs with Kshisen.  The problem cb seen at
> >>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-gwenview.png
> > Are you using those programs from within a running KDE 5 environment?
> > If so, did you set oxygen as the active icon theme in systemsettings?
>
> No, I'm using Fluxbox to manage my desktop, but want to use KDE apps.
> I've installed Systemsettings,
> but 'systemsettings5' offers a rather limited choice
> -- see http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-ssettings1.png
>http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-ssettings2.png
> & setting icon theme to Oxygen makes no difference to Gwenview.
>
> Thanks so far ; any further suggestions are most welcome.
>
> --
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>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons

[Philip Webb]

160913 P Levine wrote:
> 160913 Philip Webb wrote:
>> I've updated to KDE 5 , incl Gwenview + Oxygen-icons,
>> but even after a reboot the icons are not showing on the screen ;
>> it also occurs with Kshisen.  The problem cb seen at
>>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-gwenview.png
> Are you using those programs from within a running KDE 5 environment?
> If so, did you set oxygen as the active icon theme in systemsettings?

No, I'm using Fluxbox to manage my desktop, but want to use KDE apps.
I've installed Systemsettings,
but 'systemsettings5' offers a rather limited choice
-- see http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-ssettings1.png
   http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-ssettings2.png
& setting icon theme to Oxygen makes no difference to Gwenview.

Thanks so far ; any further suggestions are most welcome.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons

[P Levine]

Are you using those programs from within a running KDE 5 environment?
If so, did you set oxygen as the active icon theme in systemsettings?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Philip Webb  wrote:

> I've updated to KDE 5 , incl Gwenview + Oxygen-icons,
> but even after a reboot the icons are not showing on the screen ;
> it also occurs with Kshisen.  The problem cb seen at
>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-gwenview.png
>
> Can anyone suggest what I've missed ?
>
> --
> ,,
> SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
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>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5 : missing icons

[Alan McKinnon]

On 13/09/2016 20:15, Philip Webb wrote:
> I've updated to KDE 5 , incl Gwenview + Oxygen-icons,
> but even after a reboot the icons are not showing on the screen ;
> it also occurs with Kshisen.  The problem cb seen at
>  http://chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/test/kde5-gwenview.png
> 
> Can anyone suggest what I've missed ?
> 


There was this thread about a month ago, the Subject was "Icons and KDE":

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:22:52 -0500
»Q«  wrote:

> I have a panel with several Quicklaunch widgets.  There, I see icons
> for many of the launchers, but not others -- I just see blank space
> where they should be.

Also affected was the Kmenu.

Today, kde-plasma/plasma-integration was added as a dependency of
kde-plasma/plasma-workspace.  After emerging it and logging out and
back in, all the icons are displayed.




It's worth a look and a try - hey you nothing to lose :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:51:28AM +0800, konsolebox wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Philip Webb  wrote:
> > It looks as if in the near future I am going to have to install KDE 5 ,
> > if I want to go on using my regular daily apps Konsole Gwenview Okular ;
> > yes, I know I can limit exposure to their requirements
> > & don't need to install the whole desktop system.
> >
> > Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
> > What are people's experiences with it ?
> 
> I just installed KDE 5 in order to try how one application works on
> it, and also due to my curiosity.  The applications that depend on it:
> konsole and dolphin, doesn't work well if KDE5 is not itself the one
> that's running.  In dolphin, some icons don't show.  konsole also
> doesn't show some icons when it uses them as its own icon.

After 4.14 packages left portage, I did bite the bullet (after rsyncing / to
an external HDD). I’m not very fond of the new minimalist design language
everyone seems to adopt, so I kept oxygen icons. I had to uninstall some
blockers by hand (bye bye knemo, crystal and qtcurve[windeco]. :'-( ).

At first I wanted to write a rant mail about lots of bugs after I made the
world upgrade, but then I noticed that I only upgraded what was there, and
did not install plasma-meta to pull in the new stuff. Once that was done,
things looked a lot better.

No hangups so far, not even a proper crash. I only disabled file indexing
from the start because baloo was hogging my spinning drive. I might even try
and find out what of the old akonadi indexing database I could delete and
free up oogles of megabytes.
I imagine that’s probably less hassle than start with a clean user directory
and add all my PIM stuff back (several accounts for mail, contacts and
calendar with all their detailed settings).

What I do like:
- the circular system monitor
- actually less waste of space in the panel in comparison to Oxygen due to
  smaller margins around taskbar items and the pager widget
What I miss:
- no more eyes for the panel
- no way of navigating the classical Kmenu via shortcut keys due to the
  always-on search field. What is the purpose of krunner then.
- no good network monitor (yet?). The KDE-own has no options at all, I can't
  set anything (things like width, animation step size or hiding the
  interface name, which overlaps with the graph label).

> Firefox seems to have been affected by it as well.  It doesn't show the
> scroll bar button, and some widget borders looked a little different.

That's GTK3. I installed clearlooks-phenix to get back a more traditional
look and also disabled their stupid non-standard default that -- when you
left-click a scrollbar -- it scrolls directly to that position.
After years of strong dislike of anything GTK due to ugliness in the
mid-2000s, I came to terms with it a few years back, I even like XFCE on
low-power devices. But GTK3 gets me all going again. Whenever I save a file
from within Firefox, I am appalled by the file dialog and its non-existing
usability.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Mick]

On Wednesday 13 Jul 2016 09:14:37 Stefano Crocco wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 July 2016 22:56:38 Mick wrote:
> > For  example Konqueror on my laptop does not integrate with Dolphin
> > anymore,
> 
> This is because konqueror still uses KDE 4, while dolphin has been ported to
> KDE Frameworks 5. The problem is that konqueror has been without a full
> time mantainer for a long time, since the original author shifted his
> attention to other parts of KDE. Since last year I took up the role of
> konqueror mantainer, but unfortunately I had much less free time to work on
> it than I hoped for back then.
> 
> Currently, the situation regarding konqueror is the following:
> 
> * the application itself has been ported from KDE4/Qt4 to KDE Frameworks/Qt5
> by its original author (David Faure). This means that it compiles and
> mostly works, including the integration with dolphin. There are several
> bugs, however.
> * I've ported most of the plugins (only the user agent plugin doesn't work
> completely)
> * I'm in the process of porting the sidebar, which is the last part of
> konqueror still using KDE 4. However, different from the rest of the
> application, porting this is going to be a lot of work. This is because the
> sidebar (or rather, parts of it) still uses a compatibility library used to
> port applications from KDE 3 to KDE 4. This library, of course, doesn't
> exist in KDE Frameworks, which means that a large part of the sidebar code
> needs to be almost rewritten.
> 
> I've thought of writing an ebuild for the developer version of konqueror, (a
>  one, of course), since the application is currently mostly working (I
> use it as my primary browser, even if I have to switch to other browser
> every now and then for sites which won't work with it). The reason I
> haven't done so is that konqueror requires libkonq and that the 4 and 5
> versions of libkonq can't be installed together. Since many applications
> from kde 4 still use it, this would create an issue.
> 
> Stefano

Thank you Stefano for taking this project on!  We are grateful for your work.  
I have been using Konqueror since KDE2 if I recall right, and although I've 
tried other browsers/file managers/ftp clients/et al. nothing has ever come 
close in terms of versatility to this 'swiss army knife' on all my Linux 
desktops.  From what you say it seems that libkonq-5 won't become available 
until all reverse deps of KDE4 applications are no longer there.  If this 
can't be addressed by slots in Gentoo, I guess we'll just have to wait until 
all KDE4 applications have been ported to KDE5, or retired.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 12 July 2016 13:30:58 Philip Webb wrote:
> It looks as if in the near future I am going to have to install KDE 5 ,
> if I want to go on using my regular daily apps Konsole Gwenview Okular ;
> yes, I know I can limit exposure to their requirements
> & don't need to install the whole desktop system.
> 
> Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
> What are people's experiences with it ?

I built a separate KDE-5 system in some spare disk space to see what it was 
like. I thought it was the ugliest desktop I'd ever seen, but after a good 
deal of poking around and waiting for enough development progress to have been 
made I did eventually find a group of settings that suited me.

At that point, about a week ago, I converted my KDE-4 main system to KDE-5 and 
I'm now using it happily. This is a desktop box running BOINC projects 24/7 so 
it has no need of hibernation etc. but I do use KMail, which I've always 
liked. I also don't use dolphin much, nor konqueror at all, so I haven't 
stumbled over the problems some others are reporting.

So I'm fairly happy with it for now.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Stefano Crocco]

On Tuesday 12 July 2016 22:56:38 Mick wrote:
> For  example Konqueror on my laptop does not integrate with Dolphin
> anymore,

This is because konqueror still uses KDE 4, while dolphin has been ported to 
KDE Frameworks 5. The problem is that konqueror has been without a full time 
mantainer for a long time, since the original author shifted his attention to 
other parts of KDE. Since last year I took up the role of konqueror mantainer, 
but unfortunately I had much less free time to work on it than I hoped for 
back then.

Currently, the situation regarding konqueror is the following:

* the application itself has been ported from KDE4/Qt4 to KDE Frameworks/Qt5 
by its original author (David Faure). This means that it compiles and mostly 
works, including the integration with dolphin. There are several bugs, 
however.
* I've ported most of the plugins (only the user agent plugin doesn't work 
completely)
* I'm in the process of porting the sidebar, which is the last part of 
konqueror still using KDE 4. However, different from the rest of the 
application, porting this is going to be a lot of work. This is because the 
sidebar (or rather, parts of it) still uses a compatibility library used to 
port applications from KDE 3 to KDE 4. This library, of course, doesn't exist 
in KDE Frameworks, which means that a large part of the sidebar code needs to 
be almost rewritten.

I've thought of writing an ebuild for the developer version of konqueror, (a 
 one, of course), since the application is currently mostly working (I use 
it as my primary browser, even if I have to switch to other browser every now 
and then for sites which won't work with it). The reason I haven't done so is 
that konqueror requires libkonq and that the 4 and 5 versions of libkonq can't 
be installed together. Since many applications from kde 4 still use it, this 
would create an issue.

Stefano

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Bill Kenworthy]

On 13/07/16 11:51, konsolebox wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Philip Webb  wrote:
>>...
>> Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
>> What are people's experiences with it ?
> 
> ...

I decided to try it on a MS Surface Pro 4 on a new, clean install.

Plasma/KDE seemed ok, except hibernate would not work.  After seeing
this thread on various "problems" I installed xfce alongside KDE last
night, and logged in.  Hibernate now works fine and I am on my 4th
resume without a crash :)

bye bye KDE ...


BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[konsolebox]

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Philip Webb  wrote:
> It looks as if in the near future I am going to have to install KDE 5 ,
> if I want to go on using my regular daily apps Konsole Gwenview Okular ;
> yes, I know I can limit exposure to their requirements
> & don't need to install the whole desktop system.
>
> Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
> What are people's experiences with it ?

I just installed KDE 5 in order to try how one application works on
it, and also due to my curiosity.  The applications that depend on it:
konsole and dolphin, doesn't work well if KDE5 is not itself the one
that's running.  In dolphin, some icons don't show.  konsole also
doesn't show some icons when it uses them as its own icon.  It seems
to be like a problem with rendering stuff that require some services
running.  This happened before and after I changed appearance
settings.  I even cleared cache and stuff.  Firefox seems to have been
affected by it as well.  It doesn't show the scroll bar button, and
some widget borders looked a little different.  Perhaps this is also
just about Gtk3, but I'm not sure about it since stuff work when KDE
itself is running.

KDE5 or Plasma itself seems to have gotten much more responsive and
faster compared to the last time it was in 4, but I still find XFCE4
easier to configure to appear and work the way I want a desktop
environment should.

I just downgraded konsole and dolphin for now, and also rebuilt
firefox with gtk2.

-- 
konsolebox

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Dale]

Philip Webb wrote:
> It looks as if in the near future I am going to have to install KDE 5 ,
> if I want to go on using my regular daily apps Konsole Gwenview Okular ;
> yes, I know I can limit exposure to their requirements
> & don't need to install the whole desktop system.
>
> Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
> What are people's experiences with it ?
>


The things that are weird or don't work right.  My clock on the panel
thingy at the bottom, it winks at me, a lot.  It's annoying.  It isn't
as bad after the update a couple days tho so maybe it is being worked
on.  Also, if I put to many widgets/??? on the panel, it locks up a
lot.  Things that update a lot make it worse.  It works fairly well with
a CPU and network monitor.  If I go past that, it tends to lock up
more.  The device notifier thing, worthless except for telling you
plugged something in.   Nothing I click on does anything. 

Now to plasmashell.  It gets CPU hungry to the point I have to kill it. 
If it isn't that, it locks up completely.  Either way, I have to kill it
and then restart it, or log out and back in again.  If you run into
this, I'll be glad to share the command, maybe you can even improve it
more.  ;-)

Konqueror.  Well, I haven't been able to use it for a while and been
stuck with Dolphin.  I don't like Dolphin but it works, just not like
I'm used to with Konqueror.  What it does.  I use a folder desktop which
means I have folders and such on my desktop that I can click on to go
find a pic, video, document etc.  When I do click it with Konqueror
enabled, I get hundreds of Konqueror processes/windows.  Even after I
kill it with pkill, it pops up again and starts opening new
processes/windows.  I just have to keep killing it until it stops.  I'm
not sure what to make of that.  Oh, after you kill and restart plasma,
you can't click and open a desktop folder any more. 

I had several other oddities until I gave KDE a fresh start on configs. 
I renamed .kde4 and .config and some things did improve or just started
working correctly.  I think the .config is the most important part on
this.  There doesn't seem to be near as much in .kde4 any more.  If you
use Kmail or something, that could change things.

So, depending on your settings, you may or may not have those issues.

I run somewhat stable but I've got all of KDE and its related packages
running keyworded packages.  I'm not using the - ones but I'm right
there close to it. My core stuff, things needed for booting etc, those I
try to keep on stable.  If you want to run like mine, let me know and
I'll send you my short list keyword file, emerge's autounmask will give
you the rest based on your USE flags etc.

Oh, I use Seamonkey for my email so I have no info on things like Kmail
and such.  I see others have posted about those.

That's all I can recall at the moment.

Hope this helps. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:56:38 +0100, Mick wrote:

> Unlike Neil I found Plasma 5 a major climb down from KDE4 in terms of 
> interface usability.  A lot of things were broken and for me still
> are.  For example Konqueror on my laptop does not integrate with
> Dolphin anymore,

Oh yes, I agree with that one.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

How do you know when it's time to tune your bagpipes?


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Mick]

On Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 15:27:36 Philip Webb wrote:
> 160712 Mick wrote:
> > On Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 20:06:05 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
> >> KDE 5 is usable iff you dont use kdepim/akonadi with mailing lists ...
> >> As soon as my count of Mails grow over some thousands,
> >> Akonadi simply stops working, ie is no longer fetching or displaying
> >> Mail.
> >> The desktop is cool and stable pim is not really since some versions ago.
> > 
> > I don't use the full plasma desktop, but use KDEPIM and some other KDE
> > apps
> > with all their unavoidable dependencies. It is usable for me,
> > on two machines where akonadi is running on MySQL
> > and on my laptop with PostgreSQL.  I use Enlightenment as my day to day DE
> > and Fluxbox as a fall back.  Having to install some parts of Plasma
> > does not mean you have to use it as your desktop.
> 
> I'm quite satisfied with Fluxbox & have no intention of using KDE desktop.
> 
> > You need some CPU horsepower and patience
> > to let Akonadi index all messages in the database.
> > If your PC is resource constrained,
> > it'll have trouble managing large mail boxes.
> > I remember a Pentium Duo with 4G RAM taking overnight to update mailboxes,
> > which in their totality contained more than 125,000 messages.
> > When I repeated the exercise with < 5000 messages, the response
> > was much more reasonable : it took a few minutes, rather than hours.
> 
> I've been a contented user of Mutt since 1998, so that's no problem.
> 
> BTW Whatever is the point of keeping  125 K  mail messages ?
> -- at  1 min each , it would take  90 days  to read them (without sleep).

With Gmail I used to (almost) never delete messages and they accumulated over 
the years.  Kmail searches through them very efficiently.


> As for desktop indexing, it's simply an overweight tool
> for those too lazy to keep their directories + files in proper order
> (smile). It seems to have been invented to try to help users of proprietary
> systems which make it difficult to keep track of anything for long.

The semantic desktop with database indexing was an attempt of Linux to break 
into the MSWindows monopoly of the enterprise desktop.  The world has moved 
since, but back then EU money was invested to kick all this off.


> Anyone else have comments on using KDE 5 ? -- thanks so far.

Unlike Neil I found Plasma 5 a major climb down from KDE4 in terms of 
interface usability.  A lot of things were broken and for me still are.  For 
example Konqueror on my laptop does not integrate with Dolphin anymore, menu 
icons on Dolphin are not shown, Network places are empty, Kim4 does not show 
up in the dropdown menu, etc.  I noticed the same problems on a desktop which 
had the full Plasma5 desktop installed.

Things are gradually improving, but they are at present a rather retrograde 
attempt at improving something which was not broken.  In other words, similar 
to the KDE3 to KDE4 migration, but not as bad this time.

At least two ex-KDE4 users asked me to remove Plasma from the their desktop 
and install something different ...
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Fernando Rodriguez]

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On 07/12/2016 01:30 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
> It looks as if in the near future I am going to have to install KDE 5 ,
> if I want to go on using my regular daily apps Konsole Gwenview Okular ;
> yes, I know I can limit exposure to their requirements
> & don't need to install the whole desktop system.
> 
> Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
> What are people's experiences with it ?
> 

I haven't fully migrated yet because I like to test this kind of thing on my
test box but it has a very old NV34 (I don't throw good hardware away)
video card and both SDDM and KF5 are useless with it. On SDDM only the user 
icons show, everything else is black. On plasma 5 most images and some UI
elements are garbled or black. So if you have old or rare video card check
that it works with a live CD before you take the plunge.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Raphael MD]

As you talking about KDE 5, tell me something, nowadays is a good moment to
migrate from KDE 4?

I only use mplayer, firefox, wine and simple diary apps.

Is it a reliable choice to migrate?

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Philip Webb]

160712 Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 20:06:05 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
>> KDE 5 is usable iff you dont use kdepim/akonadi with mailing lists ... 
>> As soon as my count of Mails grow over some thousands,
>> Akonadi simply stops working, ie is no longer fetching or displaying Mail.
>> The desktop is cool and stable pim is not really since some versions ago.
> I don't use the full plasma desktop, but use KDEPIM and some other KDE apps 
> with all their unavoidable dependencies. It is usable for me,
> on two machines where akonadi is running on MySQL
> and on my laptop with PostgreSQL.  I use Enlightenment as my day to day DE
> and Fluxbox as a fall back.  Having to install some parts of Plasma
> does not mean you have to use it as your desktop.

I'm quite satisfied with Fluxbox & have no intention of using KDE desktop.

> You need some CPU horsepower and patience
> to let Akonadi index all messages in the database.
> If your PC is resource constrained,
> it'll have trouble managing large mail boxes.
> I remember a Pentium Duo with 4G RAM taking overnight to update mailboxes,
> which in their totality contained more than 125,000 messages.
> When I repeated the exercise with < 5000 messages, the response
> was much more reasonable : it took a few minutes, rather than hours.

I've been a contented user of Mutt since 1998, so that's no problem.

BTW Whatever is the point of keeping  125 K  mail messages ?
-- at  1 min each , it would take  90 days  to read them (without sleep).

As for desktop indexing, it's simply an overweight tool
for those too lazy to keep their directories + files in proper order (smile).
It seems to have been invented to try to help users of proprietary systems
which make it difficult to keep track of anything for long.

Anyone else have comments on using KDE 5 ? -- thanks so far.

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:30:58 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:

> It looks as if in the near future I am going to have to install KDE 5 ,
> if I want to go on using my regular daily apps Konsole Gwenview Okular ;
> yes, I know I can limit exposure to their requirements
> & don't need to install the whole desktop system.
> 
> Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
> What are people's experiences with it ?

I've been using KDE 5 for months. There were a few glitches at first, but
it's been fine recently. I don't use KMail, I've never liked it, or any
part of KDEPIM.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Mick]

Having to install some parts of Plasma does not mean you have to use it as 
your desktop.

On Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 20:06:05 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
> Hi...
> 
> I am using kde5 daily at work in a PC and a laptop, @ home in an other PC...
> It is usable as long as you dont use kdepim / akonadi with e.g. mailing
> lists... 

I don't use the full plasma desktop, but use KDEPIM and some other KDE apps 
with all their unavoidable dependencies.  It is usable for me, on two machines 
where akonadi is running on MySQL and on my laptop with PostgreSQL.

I use enlightenment as my day to day DE and Fluxbox as a fall back.


> As soon as my count of Mails grow over some thousands, akonadi
> simply stops working, that means is no longer fetching or displaying
> Mails... so yes, the desktop is cool and stable pim is not really since
> some versions...

You need some CPU horsepower and patience to let akonadi index all messages in 
the database.  If your PC is resource constrained it'll have trouble managing 
large mail boxes.  I remember a Pentium Duo with 4G RAM taking overnight to 
update my mailboxes, which in their totality contained more than 125,000 
messages.

When I repeated the exercise with fewer messages (less than 5,000) the 
response was much more reasonable.  it took a few minutes, rather than hours.

-- 
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 5

[Jens Reinemuth]

Hi...

I am using kde5 daily at work in a PC and a laptop, @ home in an other PC... It 
is usable as long as you dont use kdepim / akonadi with e.g. mailing lists... 
As soon as my count of Mails grow over some thousands, akonadi simply stops 
working, that means is no longer fetching or displaying Mails... so yes, the 
desktop is cool and stable pim is not really since some versions...



Am 12. Juli 2016 19:30:58 MESZ, schrieb Philip Webb :
>It looks as if in the near future I am going to have to install KDE 5 ,
>if I want to go on using my regular daily apps Konsole Gwenview Okular
>;
>yes, I know I can limit exposure to their requirements
>& don't need to install the whole desktop system.
>
>Before I plunge into that, is anyone else using KDE 5 every day ?
>What are people's experiences with it ?
>
>-- 
>,,
>SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
>ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
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Re: [gentoo-user] kde 5 and portable media mounting

[Dale]

Francisco Ares wrote:
>
>
> 2016-04-16 14:52 GMT-03:00 Dale  >:
>
> Francisco Ares wrote:
> > Hi, All.
> >
> > After some issues (some not yet solved, but on the way...), there is
> > one pretty annoying: regular users have to provide root password in
> > order to mount a flash drive, for instance.
> >
> > Am I missing something?  Found some posts on the net, but none has
> > given enough light on the subject.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Francisco
>
>
> I just plugged a couple sticks into mine.  It didn't even
> recognize one
> and the other gave me a permission error.  It says I am not authorized
> to mount the device.  So, same problem as you.  As someone else
> posted,
> I suspect this is a problem with a group setting.  The only new
> group I
> have listed is sddm which is the display manager.  Surely that
> wouldn't
> have anything to do with this.  I might add, my camera works.  I have
> uploaded some pics just yesterday.  Could this be device specific?
> Also, my phone is recognized as well.  It seems only USB sticks are
> affected here.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
>
> On KDE 4, it was ok, it mounted removable media in
> /run/[username]/[medialabel] , as the users were already in "plugdev"
> group and, just in case, the "disk" group as well - and they are there
> up to now.
>
> Talking about "plugdev" could it be that removing parts of KDE4 in
> order to replace them with parts of KDE5 removed any udev rules?
>
> Going to look into this.
>
> Thanks!
> Francisco
>

Since the only new group I have is sddm, I wouldn't think it was a group
but it acts like it.  A change in udev would sound more likely given
that my camera and phone works just fine.  You may have came up with a
good place to look into. 

It worked before the plasma switch here too.  This is a recent change. 
I don't recall a eudev upgrade here tho.  Logs don't show it either.

 Thu Oct 22 02:45:38 2015 >>> sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5
   merge time: 1 minute and 2 seconds.

 Tue Apr 12 21:25:29 2016 >>> sys-fs/eudev-3.1.5
   merge time: 2 minutes and 12 seconds. 


That last one was just a rebuild from when I did my emerge -e world the
other day.  Before that was months ago.  Still, something changed
somewhere. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 5 and portable media mounting

[Francisco Ares]

2016-04-16 14:52 GMT-03:00 Dale :

> Francisco Ares wrote:
> > Hi, All.
> >
> > After some issues (some not yet solved, but on the way...), there is
> > one pretty annoying: regular users have to provide root password in
> > order to mount a flash drive, for instance.
> >
> > Am I missing something?  Found some posts on the net, but none has
> > given enough light on the subject.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Francisco
>
>
> I just plugged a couple sticks into mine.  It didn't even recognize one
> and the other gave me a permission error.  It says I am not authorized
> to mount the device.  So, same problem as you.  As someone else posted,
> I suspect this is a problem with a group setting.  The only new group I
> have listed is sddm which is the display manager.  Surely that wouldn't
> have anything to do with this.  I might add, my camera works.  I have
> uploaded some pics just yesterday.  Could this be device specific?
> Also, my phone is recognized as well.  It seems only USB sticks are
> affected here.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
>
On KDE 4, it was ok, it mounted removable media in
/run/[username]/[medialabel] , as the users were already in "plugdev" group
and, just in case, the "disk" group as well - and they are there up to now.

Talking about "plugdev" could it be that removing parts of KDE4 in order to
replace them with parts of KDE5 removed any udev rules?

Going to look into this.

Thanks!
Francisco

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 5 and portable media mounting

[Dale]

Francisco Ares wrote:
> Hi, All.
>
> After some issues (some not yet solved, but on the way...), there is
> one pretty annoying: regular users have to provide root password in
> order to mount a flash drive, for instance.
>
> Am I missing something?  Found some posts on the net, but none has
> given enough light on the subject.
>
> Thank you,
> Francisco


I just plugged a couple sticks into mine.  It didn't even recognize one
and the other gave me a permission error.  It says I am not authorized
to mount the device.  So, same problem as you.  As someone else posted,
I suspect this is a problem with a group setting.  The only new group I
have listed is sddm which is the display manager.  Surely that wouldn't
have anything to do with this.  I might add, my camera works.  I have
uploaded some pics just yesterday.  Could this be device specific? 
Also, my phone is recognized as well.  It seems only USB sticks are
affected here. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] kde 5 and portable media mounting

[J. Roeleveld]

On April 16, 2016 6:30:18 PM GMT+02:00, Francisco Ares  wrote:
>Hi, All.
>
>After some issues (some not yet solved, but on the way...), there is
>one
>pretty annoying: regular users have to provide root password in order
>to
>mount a flash drive, for instance.
>
>Am I missing something?  Found some posts on the net, but none has
>given
>enough light on the subject.
>
>Thank you,
>Francisco

Not sure how to resolve this. Try group memberships.

I don't have to enter a root password to mount external drives.

Did it work with KDE3?

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