Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
On Thursday 21 July 2011 10:53:25 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote: I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that is about all I use Firefox for. I had a light bulb moment and decided to see if the same plugin was available for Seamonkey. It was available so I installed it. It works the same as in Firefox. So, I closed as much stuff as I could and started downloading a couple good size videos. After a few minutes, you guessed it, kernel panic followed by a reboot. To make sure it was not a fluke or something, I repeated the process and got the same result. Dale, I would suspect the download-helper-plugin as that is common in both the Firefox and Seamonkey crashes. Can you provide a link to the plugin you use to allow others to test this to see if it works for them? I'm not sure you are right but it is possible. Here is a linky: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-Us/seamonkey/addon/video-downloadhelper/ Looks nice, actually. Even calls ffmpeg to convert the videos to different formats. Will try it this week and will see if it causes issues for me. It's pretty straight forward. I can get a failure by going to youtube and starting the download of two or three fairly long movies. I usually middle click and open the video in a new tab. Then start the download and close the tab. I usually walk off or watch TV while it downloads. I have the slow DSL here so it takes a bit to download but it usually crashes in a minute or two. Firefox crashes faster but Seamonkey only takes a couple minutes or something. In a new tab, that could be part of it. Do you also get it if you use a single tab? Eg. open video, start download, then wait? If anyone tests this, let me know if it messes up. I'm on amd64 multilib too. That may have some effect. Same here, so should be an interesting test. I also use the nvidia-drivers and KDE4, so we're pretty close with the installed/used software. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Dale writes: Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a period of time here so bear with me. Info alert: [...] Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing, some even source youtube. I'd also try other video drivers, like nouveau or nv. I think you did not do this yet, sorry if I just overlooked it. They may not work as well as the nvidia-drivers for you, but this way you can rule out the video drivers, or confirm it has something to do with them. I still suspect they are the cause, and there is an obscure bug that only Firefox triggers. Oh, and have you tried firefox-bin already? Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Alex Schuster wrote: Dale writes: Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a period of time here so bear with me. Info alert: [...] Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing, some even source youtube. I'd also try other video drivers, like nouveau or nv. I think you did not do this yet, sorry if I just overlooked it. They may not work as well as the nvidia-drivers for you, but this way you can rule out the video drivers, or confirm it has something to do with them. I still suspect they are the cause, and there is an obscure bug that only Firefox triggers. Oh, and have you tried firefox-bin already? Wonko I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. That always worked in the past. Can you give me a light bulb moment here? ;-) I may be missing something obvious. As for Firefox-bin, I'm not sure that would help Seamonkey. I could try it but not sure how that would help. Seamonkey would still crash. Now that I have the same tool I was using in Firefox, I'll most likely get rid of Firefox. The download helper was the only reason I was using Firefox. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Dale writes: Alex Schuster wrote: I'd also try other video drivers, like nouveau or nv. I think you did not do this yet, sorry if I just overlooked it. They may not work as well as the nvidia-drivers for you, but this way you can rule out the video drivers, or confirm it has something to do with them. I still suspect they are the cause, and there is an obscure bug that only Firefox triggers. Oh, and have you tried firefox-bin already? I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. That always worked in the past. Can you give me a light bulb moment here? ;-) I may be missing something obvious. Sorry, no, I had an NVidia card years ago, now I'm an ATI user. When I had trouble with the nvidia-drivers (I often had, with every kernel update I feared it would happen again) I simply replaced the nvidia by nv in the Drivers section, and all was fine, except for OpenGL speed. As for Firefox-bin, I'm not sure that would help Seamonkey. I could try it but not sure how that would help. Seamonkey would still crash. Yes, but if firefox-bin would not crash, it might indicate a compiler problem on your side, or something. Just trying to narrow things. And there's also seamonkey-bin. But my guess is those will also crash. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote: I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that is about all I use Firefox for. I had a light bulb moment and decided to see if the same plugin was available for Seamonkey. It was available so I installed it. It works the same as in Firefox. So, I closed as much stuff as I could and started downloading a couple good size videos. After a few minutes, you guessed it, kernel panic followed by a reboot. To make sure it was not a fluke or something, I repeated the process and got the same result. Dale, I would suspect the download-helper-plugin as that is common in both the Firefox and Seamonkey crashes. Can you provide a link to the plugin you use to allow others to test this to see if it works for them? -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote: Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing, some even source youtube. About this bit. Can you play youtube videos without using that download-helper-plugin? Or is your connection too slow to be able to watch directly without downloading first? As an alternative to using the download-helper-plugin, you could try the following: $ eix youtube-dl * net-misc/youtube-dl Available versions: ~2009.05.23[1] 2010.01.19[1] 2010.10.03 ~2010.10.24 ~2010.11.19 2010.12.09 ~2011.01.30 Homepage:http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ Description: A small command-line program to download videos from YouTube. Hope this helps, Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure things out for itself. You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 2: Exact estimate signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure things out for itself. You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable. OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and realizing I forgot to rebuild against the new kernel. I don't recall every having anything like this. The biggest GUI problem I can recall was hal and xorg. Let's not go down that road. dale starts to steam Is VESA a kernel option or some package I need to install? I really want to figure this out but not just for me. Surely I'm not the only one this has happened to. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote: I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that is about all I use Firefox for. I had a light bulb moment and decided to see if the same plugin was available for Seamonkey. It was available so I installed it. It works the same as in Firefox. So, I closed as much stuff as I could and started downloading a couple good size videos. After a few minutes, you guessed it, kernel panic followed by a reboot. To make sure it was not a fluke or something, I repeated the process and got the same result. Dale, I would suspect the download-helper-plugin as that is common in both the Firefox and Seamonkey crashes. Can you provide a link to the plugin you use to allow others to test this to see if it works for them? I'm not sure you are right but it is possible. Here is a linky: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-Us/seamonkey/addon/video-downloadhelper/ It's pretty straight forward. I can get a failure by going to youtube and starting the download of two or three fairly long movies. I usually middle click and open the video in a new tab. Then start the download and close the tab. I usually walk off or watch TV while it downloads. I have the slow DSL here so it takes a bit to download but it usually crashes in a minute or two. Firefox crashes faster but Seamonkey only takes a couple minutes or something. If anyone tests this, let me know if it messes up. I'm on amd64 multilib too. That may have some effect. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 21 July 2011 05:54:32 Dale wrote: Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing, some even source youtube. About this bit. Can you play youtube videos without using that download-helper-plugin? Or is your connection too slow to be able to watch directly without downloading first? As an alternative to using the download-helper-plugin, you could try the following: $ eix youtube-dl * net-misc/youtube-dl Available versions: ~2009.05.23[1] 2010.01.19[1] 2010.10.03 ~2010.10.24 ~2010.11.19 2010.12.09 ~2011.01.30 Homepage:http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ Description: A small command-line program to download videos from YouTube. Hope this helps, Joost My DSL is just a hair to slow unless it is a low res video. I get about 768Kb down and I swear they make it so it will stop just enough to annoy the crap out of a person so you will upgrade to a faster package. o_O Grr. Anyway, I just download it first then play it with smplayer. No stopping and all that then. If I don't like it, dump and move on. I did find that tool once but I'm not real sure how it works. I sort of browsed around the pages a bit but just fell back to the plugin. May end up using it tho. I will try just watching it in a bit and see if it crashes. I can start it then hit pause and resume after it gets a real good start. That could lead to something. ;-) Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:46:55 -0500, Dale wrote: You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable. OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and realizing I forgot to rebuild against the new kernel. I don't recall every having anything like this. The biggest GUI problem I can recall was hal and xorg. Let's not go down that road. dale starts to steam Is VESA a kernel option or some package I need to install? It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa -- Neil Bothwick God created the world in six days. On the seventh day he also decided to create England... just to try out his Practical Joke Weather Machine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:46:55 -0500, Dale wrote: You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable. OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and realizing I forgot to rebuild against the new kernel. I don't recall every having anything like this. The biggest GUI problem I can recall was hal and xorg. Let's not go down that road. dale starts to steam Is VESA a kernel option or some package I need to install? It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first? Also, are these done as modules like nvidia is? Hmmm, if I remove xorg.conf, how does it know which driver to use? The more I find out, the more questions I have. That's normal tho. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Dale asks: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure things out for itself. You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable. OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Add 'vesa' to your VIDEO_CARDS variable in make.conf, then emerge -DautvN xorg-drivers. And change the Driver in xorg.conf from 'nvidia' to 'vesa'. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:14:11 -0500, Dale wrote: It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first? If you keep xorg.conf, change it to use vesa. Also, are these done as modules like nvidia is? Hmmm, if I remove xorg.conf, how does it know which driver to use? Hardware detection. If you don't use third party drivers, you can usually do without an xorg.conf. -- Neil Bothwick ASCII stupid question... get a stupid ANSI! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Alex Schuster wrote: Dale asks: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:41:31 -0500, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure things out for itself. You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable. OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Add 'vesa' to your VIDEO_CARDS variable in make.conf, then emerge -DautvN xorg-drivers. And change the Driver in xorg.conf from 'nvidia' to 'vesa'. Wonko Thanks. I remembered after hitting reply to set it in make.conf. I got some done anyway. I'll report back what blows up. O_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
Dale wrote: Thanks. I remembered after hitting reply to set it in make.conf. I got some done anyway. I'll report back what blows up. O_O Dale :-) :-) OoooK. That didn't work to well. Using VESA, the screen was ALL messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think it even tried to do anything. So, I can't see to do anything with VESA and nv appears to have not had any smoke to begin with. Can I shoot it now? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:18:34 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel panics and more info: OoooK. That didn't work to well. Using VESA, the screen was ALL messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think it even tried to do anything. When you switch away from the proprietary drivers you need to do an eselect opengl to switch the 3D rendering to use Mesa (X.Org 's library). Thus, to get the nv driver working: Ensure there is no frame buffer driver loaded by the kernel; ** Update xorg.conf to have the nv driver loaded in a Device section; Update xorg.conf to have the nv Device related to a Screen section; eselect opengl set 2 (or whatever number for Mesa); /etc/init.d/xdm restart (or reboot, or whatever). ** This is very important! The nv driver does not like any other driver blowing on the same trumpet at the same time -- it's unhygienic. I am currently running the nv driver on this box using a very elderly GeForce2 MX-400 GPU. It runs rather well and isn't discernably slower than the proprietary driver for most workloads. So, I can't see to do anything with VESA and nv appears to have not had any smoke to begin with. You should be getting error messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if things are going wrong. Can I shoot it now? Up to you. It wouldn't be legal in this country, as we aren't allowed to own guns. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
