Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 11:14, Peter Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses': > On 00:54 Wed 17 Jan , Fredrik Tolf wrote: > > Btw., shouldn't portage have some kind of flag to at least warn if a > > proprietary package is being pulled in through dependencies? > > Have you taken a look at GLEP 23? Yeah. It had already been proposed when I installed Gentoo the first time: in 2004. Don't hold your breath. > I for one hope that this gets > implemented pretty soon. :-) There does appear to have been some forward progress, which is good. It languished for over two years without progress at one point. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgp3E4wXuur9c.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
Hi there folks... I'm new to the list, so thought I'd say hello. On 00:54 Wed 17 Jan , Fredrik Tolf wrote: > Btw., shouldn't portage have some kind of flag to at least warn if a > proprietary package is being pulled in through dependencies? I just > discovered that I have realplayer installed, which was pulled in by > mplayer. Have you taken a look at GLEP 23? I for one hope that this gets implemented pretty soon. :-) http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0023.html Pete. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:12:03 +, Avaricen wrote: > > Btw., shouldn't portage have some kind of flag to at least warn if a > > proprietary package is being pulled in through dependencies? It will have, this has been discussed on the dev list. > I just > > discovered that I have realplayer installed, which was pulled in by > > mplayer. > What do you mean you had realplayer pulled in by Mplayer? emerge mplayer with the real USE flag and it installs realplayer as a dependency. > Also I'm unaware of anyone really caring about licenses. Really? How about RMS? Closer to home, try Duncan on gentoo-amd64! A lot of people care about the agreements they are required to make when using software. -- Neil Bothwick I'm in shape ... Rounds a shape isn't it? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
kashani wrote: In any case both recent versions of ffmpeg and mplayer in portage, 20061016 or better, have the newer ffmpeg real decoder. However I'm not sure it supports everything in real10 or whatever they're calling the Helix format. You can also skip installing win32/real codecs and download the codecs directly from mplayer in their essential codecs pack, but you might need to massage them into place on Gentoo. I'm not sure why the Gentoo ebuild requires the realplayer package to get the real codecs. There's no need to install the codecs manually, I've already setup all the ebuilds to pull everything in you need on amd64 and x86. Just run ~arch on all four (mplayer, realplayer, win32codecs, amd64codecs), and you'll be gtg. Steve -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: And mplayer doesn't depend on ffmpeg at all... It is true mplayer doesn't depend on you installing an ffmpeg package, but mplayer point releases have the ffmpeg libav dirs which are built into the mplayer binary. That makes mplayer a wrapper around the ffmpeg engine in my book though admittedly a fairly interesting and useful one. Mplayer's ffmpeg libs are usually a month or so behind current ffmpeg and the included hooks in Mplayer are there for the use of non free codecs. It's been experience that you tend to lean towards mplayer if you want to use non free code to increase the number of video formats you can decode/view. In any case both recent versions of ffmpeg and mplayer in portage, 20061016 or better, have the newer ffmpeg real decoder. However I'm not sure it supports everything in real10 or whatever they're calling the Helix format. You can also skip installing win32/real codecs and download the codecs directly from mplayer in their essential codecs pack, but you might need to massage them into place on Gentoo. I'm not sure why the Gentoo ebuild requires the realplayer package to get the real codecs. kashani, who knows far too much about running and building ffmpeg and mplayer straight out of cvs -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
On Friday 19 January 2007 01:07, kashani wrote: > > What do you mean you had realplayer pulled in by Mplayer? Also I'm > > unaware of anyone really caring about licenses. If you're not very happy > > with proprietary software, it would be wise to play with GnextSense > > which is based upon free software with free software (only). > > mplayer pulls in win32codecs and win32codecs pulls in realplayer to > get the real codecs. I think that scenario reflects the default flags > though I could be wrong since I was playing with mencoder on a server. Most > people want this default because mplayer is basically a wrapper (I'm > simplifying here a bit) for ffmpeg with hooks that can use binary codecs to > increase the files it can decode over the based native ffmpeg decoders. The win32codecs USE flag pulls in the win32codecs package. The real USE flag pulls in realplayer. Neither of those two independent USE flags are enabled by default on any profile. Both of the mplayer and the win32codecs packages have a real USE flag. And mplayer doesn't depend on ffmpeg at all... -- Bo Andresen pgpmjXPaHVB51.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
Fredrik Tolf wrote: Hi List! I was wondering -- is there a way to find out which of the licenses in /usr/portage/licenses can be considered free software licenses (without having to read and understand them)? I'm trying to find out what packages I have installed that cannot be considered free, and while it's easy to get a list of the licenses in use, that in itself is pretty useless without knowing anything about the licenses. Btw., shouldn't portage have some kind of flag to at least warn if a proprietary package is being pulled in through dependencies? I just discovered that I have realplayer installed, which was pulled in by mplayer. Fredrik Tolf What do you mean you had realplayer pulled in by Mplayer? Also I'm unaware of anyone really caring about licenses. If you're not very happy with proprietary software, it would be wise to play with GnextSense which is based upon free software with free software (only). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 03:28 +0100, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > On Wednesday 17 January 2007 00:54, Fredrik Tolf wrote: > > I was wondering -- is there a way to find out which of the licenses > > in /usr/portage/licenses can be considered free software licenses > > (without having to read and understand them)? [...] > I don't know of a list which is available now but glep 23 [1] does address > this issue with license groups. There are a number of discussions about this > glep in the archives of the gentoo-dev mailing list and a number of bugs > related to it. I suppose you could try to ask on one of those bugs, irc or > gentoo-dev@ if anyone has a list of what will become the OSI-APPROVED or the > FSF-APPROVED license group. Thanks for the info! I'm in no greater hurry, so I might as well wait until that GLEP becomes implemented. Fredrik Tolf -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Licenses
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 00:54, Fredrik Tolf wrote: > I was wondering -- is there a way to find out which of the licenses > in /usr/portage/licenses can be considered free software licenses > (without having to read and understand them)? > > I'm trying to find out what packages I have installed that cannot be > considered free, and while it's easy to get a list of the licenses in > use, that in itself is pretty useless without knowing anything about the > licenses. > > Btw., shouldn't portage have some kind of flag to at least warn if a > proprietary package is being pulled in through dependencies? I just > discovered that I have realplayer installed, which was pulled in by > mplayer. I don't know of a list which is available now but glep 23 [1] does address this issue with license groups. There are a number of discussions about this glep in the archives of the gentoo-dev mailing list and a number of bugs related to it. I suppose you could try to ask on one of those bugs, irc or gentoo-dev@ if anyone has a list of what will become the OSI-APPROVED or the FSF-APPROVED license group. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0023.html -- Bo Andresen pgpxP4qdOCg8F.pgp Description: PGP signature
