[OT] Shamelessly copied (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade)
On Sunday 25 February 2007, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade': > And please stop top-posting (shamelessly copied from one of Boyd's > posts..): I shamelessly copied it from someone else [*], so I don't really deserve the credit. I thought it was one of the Neils that first posted it (at least to the gentoo-* lists). > A: It reverses the reading order of the conversation. > Q: Why's top-posting so bad? > A: Top-posting and insufficient quote trimming. > Q: What's the most annoying thing on mailing lists and USENET? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! [*] Well, I actually retype it each time so it changes a bit... I'm still searching for the optimal wording. pgpOzVFRaJYSu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade
Reordered for readability.. On Saturday 24 February 2007 05:40:52 Douglas Linford wrote: > > > Did you even read the replies up until now? > > > > Kinda testy there Mr. Boyes I did read the replies... I guess you just didn't understand much of it then... > > > # emerge -pv \>=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4 > > iDeq ~ # emerge -pv \>=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4 > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > Calculating dependencies | > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4" have been > masked. > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your > request: > - xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4.0-r1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) > > For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or > refer to the Gentoo Handbook. Since you didn't make any effort to explain what's so hard to understand I'll just point you to the relevant section in the handbook [1]. And please stop top-posting (shamelessly copied from one of Boyd's posts..): A: It reverses the reading order of the conversation. Q: Why's top-posting so bad? A: Top-posting and insufficient quote trimming. Q: What's the most annoying thing on mailing lists and USENET? [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=3#doc_chap2 -- Bo Andresen pgp2jZ8ri8iVZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade
iDeq ~ # emerge -pv \>=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4" have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4.0-r1 (masked by: ~x86 keyword) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. On 2/23/07, Douglas Linford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kinda testy there Mr. Boyes I did read the replies... On 2/23/07, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > On Saturday 24 February 2007 04:54:21 Douglas Linford wrote: > > [ebuild N ] xfce-base/xfce4- extras-4.2.3.2 0 kB > > Did you even read the replies up until now? > > # emerge -pv \>=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4 > > -- > Bo Andresen > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade
Kinda testy there Mr. Boyes I did read the replies... On 2/23/07, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Saturday 24 February 2007 04:54:21 Douglas Linford wrote: > [ebuild N ] xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.2.3.2 0 kB Did you even read the replies up until now? # emerge -pv \>=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4 -- Bo Andresen
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade
On Saturday 24 February 2007 04:54:21 Douglas Linford wrote: > [ebuild N ] xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.2.3.2 0 kB Did you even read the replies up until now? # emerge -pv \>=xfce-base/xfce4-extras-4.4 -- Bo Andresen pgpJZgLgQI4yY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade
Well, It is getting more confusing I can't seem to unmerge everything for xfce4 in order to start over. In typing this command, I get: iDeq ~ # emerge -pv xfce4-extras These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies \!!! Manifest file not found: '/usr/local/overlays/ebuildexchange/xfce-base/xfce4-panel/Manifest' \!!! Manifest file not found: '/usr/local/overlays/ebuildexchange/xfce-base/xfdesktop/Manifest' \!!! Manifest file not found: '/usr/local/overlays/ebuildexchange/xfce-base/xfce-utils/Manifest' ... done! [blocks B ] xfce-extra/xfce4-windowlist (is blocking xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.0-r1) [blocks B ] xfce-extra/xfce4-showdesktop (is blocking xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.0-r1) [blocks B ] xfce-extra/xfce4-systray (is blocking xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.0-r1) [blocks B ] wrote: On Monday 19 February 2007 18:37:32 Grant Edwards wrote: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > > [blocks B ] xfce-extra/xfce4-windowlist (is blocking > > xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.0-r1) > > Yea, upgrading to XFCE 4.4 is a PITA. > > The package structure/organization was changed completely, so > emerge gets confused. It knows it can't install libxfce4util > because a bunch of older packages that were combined into > libxfce4util are still installed. For whatever reason, emerge > doesn't know enough to remove the old packages. It's not a matter of emerge being confused or not knowing enough to remove the old packages. It's a matter of emerge not being permitted to remove any packages that temporarily break things without the user knowing about and permitting it first. So instead it aborts while informing the user about the block and allowing the user to make a decision. In this particular case it's not even about anything needing to be removed (at least not anymore). It's simply that when accepting ~arch keywords for xfce4 you need to accept ~arch keywords for xfce4-extras too for them to be compatible. -- Bo Andresen
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xfce4 upgrade
On Monday 19 February 2007 18:37:32 Grant Edwards wrote: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > > [blocks B ] xfce-extra/xfce4-windowlist (is blocking > > xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.4.0-r1) > > Yea, upgrading to XFCE 4.4 is a PITA. > > The package structure/organization was changed completely, so > emerge gets confused. It knows it can't install libxfce4util > because a bunch of older packages that were combined into > libxfce4util are still installed. For whatever reason, emerge > doesn't know enough to remove the old packages. It's not a matter of emerge being confused or not knowing enough to remove the old packages. It's a matter of emerge not being permitted to remove any packages that temporarily break things without the user knowing about and permitting it first. So instead it aborts while informing the user about the block and allowing the user to make a decision. In this particular case it's not even about anything needing to be removed (at least not anymore). It's simply that when accepting ~arch keywords for xfce4 you need to accept ~arch keywords for xfce4-extras too for them to be compatible. -- Bo Andresen pgptKbEW8VeVR.pgp Description: PGP signature
