Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade - rebuild everything?
>> I just upgraded from gcc-4.4.3-r2 to gcc-4.4.4-r2 and I'm wondering if >> I really need to rebuild everything as it says in the guide: >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml > > No, you do not need to do this. The document is over-reaching (see below) > > I ran a mixture of 4.4.3 and 4.4.4 for ages, completely trouble-free. > >> If not, when is it necessary? > > When you have an ABI change in the code generated by the compiler. In other > words, when code generated by this version is incompatible with code generated > by that version, and you have both on the same system. This has not happened > for a long time in gcc-land. > > Now, about that official doc. Your question comes up with unbelievable > regularity and every time the poster references that doc. But it is not > necessary to do what the doc says, and a long time ago I think I figured it > out. > > The author's intention is less to give you the absolute complete total 100% > truth that will always work out just fine, and more to reduce the amount of > clutter in his inbox or on b.g.o. > > The rules about how to detect when a rebuild of world is needed are complex > and most readers simply will not understand them - they don't understand > compiler internals (how many people DO?). But if you tell people to just > rebuild world every time, and weird funny lurking problems are likely to just > get fixed as a side effect, no real harm is done. Does it hurt the author? No. > Does it reduce the amount of bugs he has to deal with on the rare occasion it > is needed? Yes. > > What does the user lose? Nothing much, more cpu cycles get used, more bits > flip on a disk, your video card gets a work out scrolling all that text. Will > you waste time? Yes. Will you break stuff? No. > > So rebuild world if it makes you feel better. But you don't need to this time. > The authors of gcc will certainly notify the entire world and it's dogs when > you do need to. Thank you everyone. I won't rebuild. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade - rebuild everything?
Apparently, though unproven, at 21:58 on Thursday 21 October 2010, Grant did opine thusly: > I just upgraded from gcc-4.4.3-r2 to gcc-4.4.4-r2 and I'm wondering if > I really need to rebuild everything as it says in the guide: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml No, you do not need to do this. The document is over-reaching (see below) I ran a mixture of 4.4.3 and 4.4.4 for ages, completely trouble-free. > If not, when is it necessary? When you have an ABI change in the code generated by the compiler. In other words, when code generated by this version is incompatible with code generated by that version, and you have both on the same system. This has not happened for a long time in gcc-land. Now, about that official doc. Your question comes up with unbelievable regularity and every time the poster references that doc. But it is not necessary to do what the doc says, and a long time ago I think I figured it out. The author's intention is less to give you the absolute complete total 100% truth that will always work out just fine, and more to reduce the amount of clutter in his inbox or on b.g.o. The rules about how to detect when a rebuild of world is needed are complex and most readers simply will not understand them - they don't understand compiler internals (how many people DO?). But if you tell people to just rebuild world every time, and weird funny lurking problems are likely to just get fixed as a side effect, no real harm is done. Does it hurt the author? No. Does it reduce the amount of bugs he has to deal with on the rare occasion it is needed? Yes. What does the user lose? Nothing much, more cpu cycles get used, more bits flip on a disk, your video card gets a work out scrolling all that text. Will you waste time? Yes. Will you break stuff? No. So rebuild world if it makes you feel better. But you don't need to this time. The authors of gcc will certainly notify the entire world and it's dogs when you do need to. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade - rebuild everything?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Grant wrote: > I just upgraded from gcc-4.4.3-r2 to gcc-4.4.4-r2 and I'm wondering if > I really need to rebuild everything as it says in the guide: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml > > If not, when is it necessary? As that guide says: "Generally speaking, upgrades to bug fix releases, like from 3.3.5 to 3.3.6, should be quite safe -- just emerge new version, switch your system to use it and rebuild the only affected package, libtool." The "General Upgrade Instructions" are more for major version changes. I don't think 4.4.3 to 4.4.4 is considered an upgrade in this sense, just a minor update. I think even on larger upgrade, like 4.3 to 4.4, it's only necessary to rebuild everything if libstdc++.so's major version number has changed. @preserved-rebuild will hopefully give some assistance in that case anyway (if you're using a version of portage that has it).
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade - rebuild everything?
Grant writes: > I just upgraded from gcc-4.4.3-r2 to gcc-4.4.4-r2 and I'm wondering if > I really need to rebuild everything as it says in the guide: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml The guide seems to be wrong here. Rebuilding does not harm, and it makes use of tall the cool new compiler optimizations, but normally it is not necessary. > If not, when is it necessary? Only when the API changes, which happened the last time when gcc went from 3.3 to 3.4, I think. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade - rebuild everything?
Grant wrote: I just upgraded from gcc-4.4.3-r2 to gcc-4.4.4-r2 and I'm wondering if I really need to rebuild everything as it says in the guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml If not, when is it necessary? - Grant I haven't seen any gurus recommend doing a emerge -e world in a while. I think that is for major changes in gcc. The upgrade you have just done seems to be a minor one. Me, if I was concerned about it at all, I would just do a emerge -e system. That way you know at least the packages needed for booting is rebuilt. If I have doubt, that is what I do and it doesn't take to long. If you have problems with your GUI or have problems with programs, then you can do a emerge -e world then. Also, if you are going to do this, there is a script that does it better than portage. It emerges things in a different order so that it only has to be done once instead of twice. I can find you a link to it if you are interested. I used it a month or so ago and it worked fine. It's been around for years. Dale :-) :-)
