[geo] bbc radio 4 programme feat. Alan Robock

2010-05-01 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s3gqc

Alan and others talking about volcanoes past and present.  Kept me amused as
I drove up Kilburn high road.

Apologies in advance if this link doesn't work for yanks.  Obviously I can't
check thisffrom blighty!

A

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[geo] FW: FYI: Please pass this around. seeking out-of-box input on the oil well leak as real-time 'grand engineering challenge'

2010-05-01 Thread Mike MacCracken
Forwarded by Mike MacCracken

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Andrew Revkin
 Subject: please pass this around. seeking out-of-box input on the oil well
 leak as realtime 'grand engineering challenge'
 
  
 Please pass this around and/or reply or post a comment. Particularly
 interested in folks familiar with hydraulics/geology/engineering nexus.
 
 For those in engineering and science community considering grand challenges,
 there's one out there in realtime right now: the damaged well. Conventional
 approach will take months.
  
 I just posted this callout for Feynman-style ideas:
 
 http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/01/a-dumb-question-about-stanching-d
 eep-oil/

See below.
  
 
 A very smart petrophysicist sent the following reaction, which implies that
 it's not out of the question to consider controlled explosions as a way to
 stanch the oil flow. I'm seeking to stimulate some creative thinking among
 engineers and others not wedded to 'in box' solutions like months-long effort
 to drill a parallel relief well.
  
 One response to my post:
 
  It's all about regaining control of the well, not preserving it. As you may
 have allready discovered in your resarch, control means harnessing high
 pressure oil and gas to flow at a regulated rate or to be shut off completely.
   All wells must be controlled from their conception and through their
 productive life until they are plugged and abandoned (PA).
  Control is maintained at the wellhead, a sophisticated valve assembly, which
 in the case of the Deepwater Horizon is stuck open and inoperable (loss of
 control).
   Regaining control can be accomplished either by restoring functionality to
 the existing wellhead or by drilling a relief well to penetrate the existing
 well, then plugging the well.
  With that said, an explosion would have to be of sufficient depth and
 magnitude to cause the well to cave in sufficiently to plug itself and stay
 plugged, or stay plugged long enough to drill the relief well.
   It will be intesting to see if the DOD thinks they can do that.
  As the crisis deepens, I have to believe that BP is open to all suggestions
 which will stop their growing economic loss.
  My apologies if you allready have all this information.
  
  Regards,
  Rob
 
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http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/01/a-dumb-question-about-stanching
-deep-oil/

May 1, 2010, 10:33 AM
A Dumb Question About Stanching Deep Oil
By ANDREW C. REVKIN
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/author/andrew-c-revkin/
 http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/05/01/us/01engineering_graphic.html
?ref=us Three efforts to stop the flow of oil.
I¹ve been catching up on my reading on deep-ocean drilling in trying to
assess efforts to stanch what could be a months-long flow of oil from the
pinprick in the Gulf of Mexico seafloor. The Economist has a superb history
of deep-sea drilling
http://www.economist.com/science-technology/technology-quarterly/displaysto
ry.cfm?story_id=15582301  (written before the drilling disaster) and Henry
Fountain has written an excellent overview of  the work aimed at capping the
well http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/01/us/01engineering.html  that was
uncorked by the destruction of the Deepwater Horizon
http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Deepwater-Horizon-56C17.html?LayoutID=17
rig.
One naive, even dumb, question keeps coming to mind.
Is it possible to seal such wells using unconventional means ‹ specifically
controlled explosions? While covering the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks,
I wrote about some pretty exotic uses of explosives
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/international/03WEAP.html  to attack
buried targets. The Pentagon has all manner of powerful, but precise,
munitions at its disposal, not to mention some of the brightest minds on the
planet for gauging challenges involving hydraulics, geology and metallurgy.
Given that President Obama has called on the Pentagon to help, I¹m just
wondering about ways to approach this deep-ocean leak by considering the
basics,  Feynman style
http://biocurious.com/2008/05/28/the-real-feynman-algorithm .
There are hundreds of talented oil-industry experts and government overseers
working around the clock on this problem. Still, if the solution is left up
to the industry, presumably it¹ll be hard to avoid a bias toward
conventional efforts aimed at preserving the (sizable) investment in the
well and away from any option that would seal it off but prevent its future
use.
Obviously you¹d want to be sure an explosive solution didn¹t have the
potential to exacerbate the leak. But with months of unabated oil flows
coming, it seems worth asking the question, however 

[geo] Freeze oil leak, napkin level feasibility

2010-05-01 Thread markcapron
Mike - It appears"napkin" feasible to freeze the oil leak with 100 - 500 kg per minute of liquid nitrogen. That would involve a few tanker trucks of liquid nitrogen, a lot of hose,and attaching nitrogenrelease pipes to the existing pipe.

If we cannot round up enough liquid nitrogen, liquid natural gas might work, but would require collecting and flaring the warmed up natural gas.

Background - Innocentive.com and others are running a "no prize" challenge for suggestions on plugging theBritish Petroleum oilleak at about 1,500 meters deep in the Gulf of Mexico.

Mark E. Capron, PEOxnard, Californiawww.PODenergy.org



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