Re: [geo] My CNN geoengineering question to Sen. Cory Booker

[Jessica Gurevitch]

Alan,
Thanks for this. I watched the first 4 candidates, but I confess I fell
asleep before your question, but I just watched the YouTube link.
Excellently put, and an honest answer. I'm glad this is getting national
attention.
And if you don't debate skeptics, the Heartland thing is probably out--the
problem is the false equivalence. My only response to the denial is the
consequences of Type I and Type II error: What is the worst thing that can
happen if the denialist politicians are wrong and we act to reduce climate
change? (economic slowdown, loss of jobs, takeover by liberals seems to be
it) What is the worst thing that can happen if the scientists are wrong and
we continue business as usual? (Well, you know) [I refuse to call the
denalists anything but politicians (or worse)]. To them: Do you (literally)
want to bet the farm (house on the beach, etc.) that there is no chance
you're wrong, denalists? Not even a 2% chance that the scientists are
right?
Of course, probability is not something most people think in terms of, but
they do understand gambling. Other than that, arguing or debating seems
futile.
Jessica


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Distinguished Professor
Department of Ecology and Evolution
Stony Brook University
Stony Brook, NY 11794-5245 USA
~~



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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:03 PM Alan Robock 
wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Last night I attended CNN's Climate Town Hall, and asked my Senator Cory
> Booker a question about solar geoengineering research.  You can see it
> starting at 27:44 on
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIMD2E6DgE&list=PL29Rq0wvBhgOcY9ew5490FwzT5U5N6CqT&index=11&t=0s
> He immediately called me "Sir," and said he did not know anything about it,
> but would find out.  Today Rutgers got an email from his office asking for
> more information and I will explain what it is and why we need more
> resources for research.
>
> I did not intend to embarrass him.  I submitted the same question to CNN
> to be asked of all 10 candidates, and they decided to invite me and have me
> ask it of my own Senator.  I spent 4 hours in the audience listening to
> Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, and Booker, and was the last
> person to ask a question.  It was a long time, but very interesting.  Mine
> was the only geoengineering question.  Booker referenced one, and it must
> have been to one of the four other candidates who appeared before my 4
> hours.
>
> The other interesting email I got today was the one below.  How do you
> recommend I answer?   My plan is to say that appearing there would give
> legitimacy to a "debate" about settled science.  I have not debated global
> warming deniers for years now for this reason.
>
> Alan
>
> Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor
>   Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics
> Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751
> Rutgers UniversityE-mail: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu
> 14 College Farm Roadhttp://people.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock
> New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA  ☮ http://twitter.com/AlanRobock
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: INVITATION: Sept. 23 Debate on Global Climate Change and Need
> for Action
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:11:59 +
> From: Jim Lakely  
> To: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu 
> 
>
> Dr. Robock,
>
>
>
> [*NOTE: This letter is sent on behalf of Frank Lasée, president of The
> Heartland Institute.*]
>
>
>
> In the wake of your excellent public performance on CNN last night, The
> Heartland Institute would like to invite you to participate in an
> interactive discussion and debate on climate change in New York City on
> September 23 in conjunction with the United Nations Climate Action Summit.
> The goal of the Heartland Institute event is to broaden public knowledge
> about the most important and most discussed issues related to climate
> change.
>
>
>
> The event will feature up to five climate experts and policymakers who
> warn of an imminent climate crisis, and up to five climate experts and
> policymakers who are skeptical of an asserted crisis. Each evenly matched
> side will be given equal time to make their case in a live event streamed
> globally on YouTube. Each participant will be given time to make an opening
> statement as well as answer questions posed by a moderator. One participant
> from each side will be allowed to present a final summary.
>
>
>
> We welcome suggested questions from each side. The moderator’s questions
> may also include:
>
>
>
> §  Does the world really have just 12 years left to radically transform
> our lifestyles and energy sources to preven

Re: [geo] My CNN geoengineering question to Sen. Cory Booker

[Alan Robock]

Dear Andy,

Yes, that is a great answer.  I had not seen it, as those 3 hours were while I 
was on the train to NY for my 4 hours.

Alan

Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor
  Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics
Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751
Rutgers UniversityE-mail: 
rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu
14 College Farm Roadhttp://people.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock
New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA  ☮ http://twitter.com/AlanRobock

On 9/5/2019 8:44 PM, Andrew Revkin wrote:
Glad you stuck in there, Alan.

There actually was one other geoengineering question - asked by a Columbia 
student of Andrew Yang. His answer was pretty great:

https://twitter.com/Revkin/status/1169441473768710147

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:03 PM Alan Robock 
mailto:rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu>> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,

Last night I attended CNN's Climate Town Hall, and asked my Senator Cory Booker 
a question about solar geoengineering research.  You can see it starting at 
27:44 on 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIMD2E6DgE&list=PL29Rq0wvBhgOcY9ew5490FwzT5U5N6CqT&index=11&t=0s
  He immediately called me "Sir," and said he did not know anything about it, 
but would find out.  Today Rutgers got an email from his office asking for more 
information and I will explain what it is and why we need more resources for 
research.

I did not intend to embarrass him.  I submitted the same question to CNN to be 
asked of all 10 candidates, and they decided to invite me and have me ask it of 
my own Senator.  I spent 4 hours in the audience listening to Biden, Sanders, 
Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, and Booker, and was the last person to ask a 
question.  It was a long time, but very interesting.  Mine was the only 
geoengineering question.  Booker referenced one, and it must have been to one 
of the four other candidates who appeared before my 4 hours.

The other interesting email I got today was the one below.  How do you 
recommend I answer?   My plan is to say that appearing there would give 
legitimacy to a "debate" about settled science.  I have not debated global 
warming deniers for years now for this reason.

Alan

Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor
  Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics
Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751
Rutgers UniversityE-mail: 
rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu
14 College Farm Roadhttp://people.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock
New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA  ☮ http://twitter.com/AlanRobock


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:INVITATION: Sept. 23 Debate on Global Climate Change and Need 
for Action
Date:   Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:11:59 +
From:   Jim Lakely 
To: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu 




Dr. Robock,



[NOTE: This letter is sent on behalf of Frank Lasée, president of The Heartland 
Institute.]



In the wake of your excellent public performance on CNN last night, The 
Heartland Institute would like to invite you to participate in an interactive 
discussion and debate on climate change in New York City on September 23 in 
conjunction with the United Nations Climate Action Summit. The goal of the 
Heartland Institute event is to broaden public knowledge about the most 
important and most discussed issues related to climate change.



The event will feature up to five climate experts and policymakers who warn of 
an imminent climate crisis, and up to five climate experts and policymakers who 
are skeptical of an asserted crisis. Each evenly matched side will be given 
equal time to make their case in a live event streamed globally on YouTube. 
Each participant will be given time to make an opening statement as well as 
answer questions posed by a moderator. One participant from each side will be 
allowed to present a final summary.



We welcome suggested questions from each side. The moderator’s questions may 
also include:



•  Does the world really have just 12 years left to radically transform our 
lifestyles and energy sources to prevent unstoppable and catastrophic climate 
change?

•  Will melting glaciers release cataclysmic ancient diseases?

•  How have United Nations climate models fared in their temperature 
predictions?

•  How much of the observed warming is caused by people and how much is caused 
by nature?

•  Is climate change making extreme weather events more frequent and severe?

•  Is climate change causing a refugee crisis?

•  Is observed climate change already harming food production?

•  What observational evidence would induce you to change your current position 
on the causes and consequences of climate change?

•  Would action by the United States or Western democracies have much impact 
without substantial reductions from China and other rapidly developing nations?

•  Is 

Re: [geo] My CNN geoengineering question to Sen. Cory Booker

[Andrew Revkin]

Glad you stuck in there, Alan.

There actually was one other geoengineering question - asked by a Columbia
student of Andrew Yang. His answer was pretty great:

https://twitter.com/Revkin/status/1169441473768710147

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:03 PM Alan Robock 
wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Last night I attended CNN's Climate Town Hall, and asked my Senator Cory
> Booker a question about solar geoengineering research.  You can see it
> starting at 27:44 on
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIMD2E6DgE&list=PL29Rq0wvBhgOcY9ew5490FwzT5U5N6CqT&index=11&t=0s
> He immediately called me "Sir," and said he did not know anything about it,
> but would find out.  Today Rutgers got an email from his office asking for
> more information and I will explain what it is and why we need more
> resources for research.
>
> I did not intend to embarrass him.  I submitted the same question to CNN
> to be asked of all 10 candidates, and they decided to invite me and have me
> ask it of my own Senator.  I spent 4 hours in the audience listening to
> Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, and Booker, and was the last
> person to ask a question.  It was a long time, but very interesting.  Mine
> was the only geoengineering question.  Booker referenced one, and it must
> have been to one of the four other candidates who appeared before my 4
> hours.
>
> The other interesting email I got today was the one below.  How do you
> recommend I answer?   My plan is to say that appearing there would give
> legitimacy to a "debate" about settled science.  I have not debated global
> warming deniers for years now for this reason.
>
> Alan
>
> Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor
>   Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics
> Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751
> Rutgers UniversityE-mail: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu
> 14 College Farm Roadhttp://people.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock
> New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA  ☮ http://twitter.com/AlanRobock
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: INVITATION: Sept. 23 Debate on Global Climate Change and Need
> for Action
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:11:59 +
> From: Jim Lakely  
> To: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu 
> 
>
> Dr. Robock,
>
>
>
> [*NOTE: This letter is sent on behalf of Frank Lasée, president of The
> Heartland Institute.*]
>
>
>
> In the wake of your excellent public performance on CNN last night, The
> Heartland Institute would like to invite you to participate in an
> interactive discussion and debate on climate change in New York City on
> September 23 in conjunction with the United Nations Climate Action Summit.
> The goal of the Heartland Institute event is to broaden public knowledge
> about the most important and most discussed issues related to climate
> change.
>
>
>
> The event will feature up to five climate experts and policymakers who
> warn of an imminent climate crisis, and up to five climate experts and
> policymakers who are skeptical of an asserted crisis. Each evenly matched
> side will be given equal time to make their case in a live event streamed
> globally on YouTube. Each participant will be given time to make an opening
> statement as well as answer questions posed by a moderator. One participant
> from each side will be allowed to present a final summary.
>
>
>
> We welcome suggested questions from each side. The moderator’s questions
> may also include:
>
>
>
> §  Does the world really have just 12 years left to radically transform
> our lifestyles and energy sources to prevent unstoppable and catastrophic
> climate change?
>
> §  Will melting glaciers release cataclysmic ancient diseases?
>
> §  How have United Nations climate models fared in their temperature
> predictions?
>
> §  How much of the observed warming is caused by people and how much is
> caused by nature?
>
> §  Is climate change making extreme weather events more frequent and
> severe?
>
> §  Is climate change causing a refugee crisis?
>
> §  Is observed climate change already harming food production?
>
> §  What observational evidence would induce you to change your current
> position on the causes and consequences of climate change?
>
> §  Would action by the United States or Western democracies have much
> impact without substantial reductions from China and other rapidly
> developing nations?
>
> §  Is it possible for scientists with differing views to cooperate
> together rather than form isolated camps?
>
>
>
> The Heartland Institute will cover all of your travel expenses and will
> contribute $1,000 to the charity of your choice in lieu of a personal
> honorarium. We hope this event will provide a valuable public service by
> increasing public knowledge on key climate change issues and also bringing
> together scientists from all perspectives to facilitate greater future
> cooperation and scientific advancement.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Frank Lasée
>
> President
>
> The Heartland Institute
>
>
>
> *EMAIL SENT 

Re: [geo] My CNN geoengineering question to Sen. Cory Booker

[David Appell]

Alan, you might talk to Scott Denning of Colorado State University and
watch some of his interactions with the Heartland Institute. Just Google
"scott denning heartland institute" and some videos immediately pop up.
He's tried to present the science to them a few times at their conferences.

David



On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:03 PM Alan Robock 
wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Last night I attended CNN's Climate Town Hall, and asked my Senator Cory
> Booker a question about solar geoengineering research.  You can see it
> starting at 27:44 on
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIMD2E6DgE&list=PL29Rq0wvBhgOcY9ew5490FwzT5U5N6CqT&index=11&t=0s
> He immediately called me "Sir," and said he did not know anything about it,
> but would find out.  Today Rutgers got an email from his office asking for
> more information and I will explain what it is and why we need more
> resources for research.
>
> I did not intend to embarrass him.  I submitted the same question to CNN
> to be asked of all 10 candidates, and they decided to invite me and have me
> ask it of my own Senator.  I spent 4 hours in the audience listening to
> Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, and Booker, and was the last
> person to ask a question.  It was a long time, but very interesting.  Mine
> was the only geoengineering question.  Booker referenced one, and it must
> have been to one of the four other candidates who appeared before my 4
> hours.
>
> The other interesting email I got today was the one below.  How do you
> recommend I answer?   My plan is to say that appearing there would give
> legitimacy to a "debate" about settled science.  I have not debated global
> warming deniers for years now for this reason.
>
> Alan
>
> Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor
>   Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics
> Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751
> Rutgers UniversityE-mail: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu
> 14 College Farm Roadhttp://people.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock
> New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA  ☮ http://twitter.com/AlanRobock
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: INVITATION: Sept. 23 Debate on Global Climate Change and Need
> for Action
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:11:59 +
> From: Jim Lakely  
> To: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu 
> 
>
> Dr. Robock,
>
>
>
> [*NOTE: This letter is sent on behalf of Frank Lasée, president of The
> Heartland Institute.*]
>
>
>
> In the wake of your excellent public performance on CNN last night, The
> Heartland Institute would like to invite you to participate in an
> interactive discussion and debate on climate change in New York City on
> September 23 in conjunction with the United Nations Climate Action Summit.
> The goal of the Heartland Institute event is to broaden public knowledge
> about the most important and most discussed issues related to climate
> change.
>
>
>
> The event will feature up to five climate experts and policymakers who
> warn of an imminent climate crisis, and up to five climate experts and
> policymakers who are skeptical of an asserted crisis. Each evenly matched
> side will be given equal time to make their case in a live event streamed
> globally on YouTube. Each participant will be given time to make an opening
> statement as well as answer questions posed by a moderator. One participant
> from each side will be allowed to present a final summary.
>
>
>
> We welcome suggested questions from each side. The moderator’s questions
> may also include:
>
>
>
> §  Does the world really have just 12 years left to radically transform
> our lifestyles and energy sources to prevent unstoppable and catastrophic
> climate change?
>
> §  Will melting glaciers release cataclysmic ancient diseases?
>
> §  How have United Nations climate models fared in their temperature
> predictions?
>
> §  How much of the observed warming is caused by people and how much is
> caused by nature?
>
> §  Is climate change making extreme weather events more frequent and
> severe?
>
> §  Is climate change causing a refugee crisis?
>
> §  Is observed climate change already harming food production?
>
> §  What observational evidence would induce you to change your current
> position on the causes and consequences of climate change?
>
> §  Would action by the United States or Western democracies have much
> impact without substantial reductions from China and other rapidly
> developing nations?
>
> §  Is it possible for scientists with differing views to cooperate
> together rather than form isolated camps?
>
>
>
> The Heartland Institute will cover all of your travel expenses and will
> contribute $1,000 to the charity of your choice in lieu of a personal
> honorarium. We hope this event will provide a valuable public service by
> increasing public knowledge on key climate change issues and also bringing
> together scientists from all perspectives to facilitate greater future
> cooperation and scientific advancement.
>
>
>
> Regar

[geo] Re: My CNN geoengineering question to Sen. Cory Booker

[Jonathan Marshall]

For me the problem is that the debate is run by the Heartland Institute. I 
would not expect them to play fair, or to moderate in an unbiased manner. I'd 
want to know who the other 'experts' are going to be in advance as well.

jon


From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Alan Robock 
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2019 10:03 AM
To: Geoengineering
Subject: [geo] My CNN geoengineering question to Sen. Cory Booker

Dear Colleagues,

Last night I attended CNN's Climate Town Hall, and asked my Senator Cory Booker 
a question about solar geoengineering research.  You can see it starting at 
27:44 on 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIMD2E6DgE&list=PL29Rq0wvBhgOcY9ew5490FwzT5U5N6CqT&index=11&t=0s
  He immediately called me "Sir," and said he did not know anything about it, 
but would find out.  Today Rutgers got an email from his office asking for more 
information and I will explain what it is and why we need more resources for 
research.

I did not intend to embarrass him.  I submitted the same question to CNN to be 
asked of all 10 candidates, and they decided to invite me and have me ask it of 
my own Senator.  I spent 4 hours in the audience listening to Biden, Sanders, 
Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, and Booker, and was the last person to ask a 
question.  It was a long time, but very interesting.  Mine was the only 
geoengineering question.  Booker referenced one, and it must have been to one 
of the four other candidates who appeared before my 4 hours.

The other interesting email I got today was the one below.  How do you 
recommend I answer?   My plan is to say that appearing there would give 
legitimacy to a "debate" about settled science.  I have not debated global 
warming deniers for years now for this reason.

Alan

Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor
  Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics
Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751
Rutgers UniversityE-mail: 
rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu
14 College Farm Road
http://people.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock
New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA  ☮ 
http://twitter.com/AlanRobock


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:INVITATION: Sept. 23 Debate on Global Climate Change and Need 
for Action
Date:   Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:11:59 +
From:   Jim Lakely 
To: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu 




Dr. Robock,



[NOTE: This letter is sent on behalf of Frank Lasée, president of The Heartland 
Institute.]



In the wake of your excellent public performance on CNN last night, The 
Heartland Institute would like to invite you to participate in an interactive 
discussion and debate on climate change in New York City on September 23 in 
conjunction with the United Nations Climate Action Summit. The goal of the 
Heartland Institute event is to broaden public knowledge about the most 
important and most discussed issues related to climate change.



The event will feature up to five climate experts and policymakers who warn of 
an imminent climate crisis, and up to five climate experts and policymakers who 
are skeptical of an asserted crisis. Each evenly matched side will be given 
equal time to make their case in a live event streamed globally on YouTube. 
Each participant will be given time to make an opening statement as well as 
answer questions posed by a moderator. One participant from each side will be 
allowed to present a final summary.



We welcome suggested questions from each side. The moderator’s questions may 
also include:



•  Does the world really have just 12 years left to radically transform our 
lifestyles and energy sources to prevent unstoppable and catastrophic climate 
change?

•  Will melting glaciers release cataclysmic ancient diseases?

•  How have United Nations climate models fared in their temperature 
predictions?

•  How much of the observed warming is caused by people and how much is caused 
by nature?

•  Is climate change making extreme weather events more frequent and severe?

•  Is climate change causing a refugee crisis?

•  Is observed climate change already harming food production?

•  What observational evidence would induce you to change your current position 
on the causes and consequences of climate change?

•  Would action by the United States or Western democracies have much impact 
without substantial reductions from China and other rapidly developing nations?

•  Is it possible for scientists with differing views to cooperate together 
rather than form isolated camps?



The Heartland Institute will cover all of your travel expenses and will 
contribute $1,000 to the charity of your choice in lieu of a pers

[geo] My CNN geoengineering question to Sen. Cory Booker

[Alan Robock]

Dear Colleagues,

Last night I attended CNN's Climate Town Hall, and asked my Senator Cory Booker 
a question about solar geoengineering research.  You can see it starting at 
27:44 on 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHIMD2E6DgE&list=PL29Rq0wvBhgOcY9ew5490FwzT5U5N6CqT&index=11&t=0s
  He immediately called me "Sir," and said he did not know anything about it, 
but would find out.  Today Rutgers got an email from his office asking for more 
information and I will explain what it is and why we need more resources for 
research.

I did not intend to embarrass him.  I submitted the same question to CNN to be 
asked of all 10 candidates, and they decided to invite me and have me ask it of 
my own Senator.  I spent 4 hours in the audience listening to Biden, Sanders, 
Warren, Buttigieg, O'Rourke, and Booker, and was the last person to ask a 
question.  It was a long time, but very interesting.  Mine was the only 
geoengineering question.  Booker referenced one, and it must have been to one 
of the four other candidates who appeared before my 4 hours.

The other interesting email I got today was the one below.  How do you 
recommend I answer?   My plan is to say that appearing there would give 
legitimacy to a "debate" about settled science.  I have not debated global 
warming deniers for years now for this reason.

Alan

Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor
  Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics
Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751
Rutgers UniversityE-mail: 
rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu
14 College Farm Roadhttp://people.envsci.rutgers.edu/robock
New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551  USA  ☮ http://twitter.com/AlanRobock


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:INVITATION: Sept. 23 Debate on Global Climate Change and Need 
for Action
Date:   Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:11:59 +
From:   Jim Lakely 
To: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu 




Dr. Robock,



[NOTE: This letter is sent on behalf of Frank Lasée, president of The Heartland 
Institute.]



In the wake of your excellent public performance on CNN last night, The 
Heartland Institute would like to invite you to participate in an interactive 
discussion and debate on climate change in New York City on September 23 in 
conjunction with the United Nations Climate Action Summit. The goal of the 
Heartland Institute event is to broaden public knowledge about the most 
important and most discussed issues related to climate change.



The event will feature up to five climate experts and policymakers who warn of 
an imminent climate crisis, and up to five climate experts and policymakers who 
are skeptical of an asserted crisis. Each evenly matched side will be given 
equal time to make their case in a live event streamed globally on YouTube. 
Each participant will be given time to make an opening statement as well as 
answer questions posed by a moderator. One participant from each side will be 
allowed to present a final summary.



We welcome suggested questions from each side. The moderator’s questions may 
also include:



•  Does the world really have just 12 years left to radically transform our 
lifestyles and energy sources to prevent unstoppable and catastrophic climate 
change?

•  Will melting glaciers release cataclysmic ancient diseases?

•  How have United Nations climate models fared in their temperature 
predictions?

•  How much of the observed warming is caused by people and how much is caused 
by nature?

•  Is climate change making extreme weather events more frequent and severe?

•  Is climate change causing a refugee crisis?

•  Is observed climate change already harming food production?

•  What observational evidence would induce you to change your current position 
on the causes and consequences of climate change?

•  Would action by the United States or Western democracies have much impact 
without substantial reductions from China and other rapidly developing nations?

•  Is it possible for scientists with differing views to cooperate together 
rather than form isolated camps?



The Heartland Institute will cover all of your travel expenses and will 
contribute $1,000 to the charity of your choice in lieu of a personal 
honorarium. We hope this event will provide a valuable public service by 
increasing public knowledge on key climate change issues and also bringing 
together scientists from all perspectives to facilitate greater future 
cooperation and scientific advancement.



Regards,



Frank Lasée

President

The Heartland Institute



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[geo] There is no Plan B for dealing with the climate crisis: Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: Vol 75, No 5

[Andrew Lockley]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00963402.2019.1654255


ABSTRACT
To halt global warming, the emission of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere
by human activities such as fossil fuel burning, cement production, and
deforestation needs to be brought all the way to zero. The longer it takes
to do so, the hotter the world will get. Lack of progress towards
decarbonization has created justifiable panic about the climate crisis.
This has led to an intensified interest in technological climate
interventions that involve increasing the reflection of sunlight to space
by injecting substances into the stratosphere which lead to the formation
of highly reflective particles. When first suggested, such albedo
modification schemes were introduced as a “Plan B,” in case the world
economy fails to decarbonize, and this scenario has dominated much of the
public perception of albedo modification as a savior waiting in the wings
to protect the world against massive climate change arising from a failure
to decarbonize.

But because of the mismatch between the millennial persistence time of
carbon dioxide and the sub-decadal persistence of stratospheric particles,
albedo modification can never safely play more than a very minor role in
the portfolio of solutions. There is simply no substitute for
decarbonization.

KEYWORDS: Global warming, geoengineering, climate change, carbon budgets,
decarbonization, climate crisis, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gas

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[geo] FUNDING FOR SOLAR GEOENGINEERING

[Andrew Lockley]

https://geoengineering.environment.harvard.edu/blog/funding-solar-geoengineering

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FUNDING FOR SOLAR GEOENGINEERING FROM 2008 TO 2018
November 13, 2018

By Ella Necheles, Lizzie Burns, Amy Chang, and David Keith.

Our Project
As the visibility of solar geoengineering research grows, we thought it
would be useful to provide a publicly accessible record of the solar
geoengineering projects that have been funded over the past ten years.

How one defines a solar geoengineering “project,” however, is not
straightforward. With a diverse range of efforts having taken place, there
are numerous approaches that one could take.

For our purposes, we used the following definition to focus our scope. We
realize, however, that this does not encompass every solar geoengineering
effort that has been undertaken to date. Furthermore, we recognize that
many solar geoengineering efforts have not even been funded, but rather
have been conducted voluntarily. As one researcher explained: “Nobody
supports me for GeoMIP. I do all of that on nights and weekends.”

Therefore, while the criteria below provided a scope for our project, it
did not capture every effort that has been dedicated to solar
geoengineering to date. For our project:

Funding: The project received at least $100,000 USD in funding for efforts
focused on solar geoengineering (or albedo modification, solar radiation
management, and other terms)
Outputs: The project’s major outputs (papers, reports, conferences,
workshops, etc.) included a significant solar geoengineering focus
Type: The project focused on research, advocacy, policy, governance, public
engagement, or other related topics
Duration: The project took place between 2008 to 2018
Within this framework, we collected information about the projects’
missions, scope of work, locations, funders, and funding levels wherever
possible. We then identified several key trends from this data set,
including analysis of the geographic locations of projects, the focuses of
projects, and the funding sources for projects.

We hope that this information establishes a deeper understanding of the
current and past state of solar geoengineering, and improves communication
across projects.

(N.B. For those new to the topic, no project has or is currently deploying
solar geoengineering. Rather, projects have or are focusing on research,
advocacy, governance, policy, public engagement, and other topics, as
described above.)

Our Process
This project built upon earlier estimates of funding for solar
geoengineering, such as the 2013 list cultivated by Andy Parker and David
Keith and the 2013 list by Open Philanthropy. To update these lists, many
researchers and advocates in the field provided firsthand information about
their projects. We thank them for their engagement in this process.

Note: This list is very much a work in progress. We anticipate that
omissions or errors remain. To fix these errors and ensure that the list
can best serve its intended purpose as a resource, we encourage input from
the community. Please email Lizzie Burns with any edits or additions
(eburns [at] g.harvard.edu).

Our Results
A list of projects, their locations, their funding levels, and start and
end dates is shown below. For more detailed information on each project
(including funders, project type and focus, funding type, and lead
institute), please see this document.

Summary Results

*Some projects received funding from other projects on this list. We made
sure to avoid double counting when estimating totals. For example:
IASS received and administered third party funding of $177,840 to EuTRACE.
This amount has been excluded from the IASS funding total but added in the
EuTRACE total.
FICER provided $100,000 to SRMGI and $150,000 to MCB. These amounts have
been excluded from the FICER funding total but have been added to the SRMGI
and MCB funding totals. Additionally, the FICER estimate assumes that
approximately 70% of total FICER funding supported solar geoengineering
research. This 70% estimate is listed in the table and was provided by
David Keith.
SRMGI provided $450,000 to DECIMALS and received $100k from FICER. The
total SRMGI amount listed excludes the DECIMALS funding but includes the
FICER funding.
Highlights
Several interesting patterns emerged from this data set. However, given the
data set’s small size and incomplete nature (including the missing
volunteer work), we do not believe these patterns represent a thorough
analysis of the trends in solar geoengineering research and advocacy. We
merely highlight them below in case they prove useful.

Overall, the total amount of global funding supporting solar geoengineering
research and advocacy has been rather minimal, particularly when compared
to the total amount of funding that has supported other climate related
research and advocacy efforts since 2008. That said, solar geoengineering
funding has increased gradually over the last decade (except for 2015 and
2016, when the