Re: [geo] MUST READ: Controversial Startup Trying to Cool Climate From U.S. Soil | Time
95.500 Penalties- Criminal. 1. Except as otherwise provided by law, any person violating any of the provisions of this Chapter is guilty of a misdemeanor. Upon conviction thereof, punishment shall be by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or by a fine of not less than fifty dollars ($50) and not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both fine and imprisonment. Failure to appear in the proper court to answer such misdemeanor citation is a separate offense. 2. In lieu of all or part of the criminal penalty which may be imposed pursuant to this section, the convicted person may be sentenced to perform a fixed period of community service. SECTION 51. 95.510 Penalties-Civil. Unless exclusively stated otherwise in Washoe County Code or Nevada Revised Statutes, and in lieu of any criminal penalty, a civil penalty may be imposed in favor of the County in an amount no less than one hundred dollars ($100) and not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000). On Wed, 22 Feb 2023, 23:25 David Hawkins, wrote: > Semi-serious post... > > The park where they launched is in Washoe County, Nevada. > > WASHOE COUNTY PARK RULES > https://www.washoecounty.gov/parks/parks/rules_and_regulations.php > ... > > >- Charcoal only in grills > > ... > 95.140 Landing of Aircraft. Except in emergency situations, no person may > land any aircraft including hang-gliders, parasails, parachutes, > *balloons*, ultralights, or similar aircraft *or take off* in any > aircraft from any area in any county park not specifically designated for > such purposes without a written permit from the director or his/her > designee. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAJ3C-06ZfSRgOdc0j82bKPzD1U-_WpDspmJiS0f7_10B5g5bvA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [geo] MUST READ: Controversial Startup Trying to Cool Climate From U.S. Soil | Time
Semi-serious post... The park where they launched is in Washoe County, Nevada. WASHOE COUNTY PARK RULES https://www.washoecounty.gov/parks/parks/rules_and_regulations.php ... - Charcoal only in grills ... 95.140 Landing of Aircraft. Except in emergency situations, no person may land any aircraft including hang-gliders, parasails, parachutes, *balloons*, ultralights, or similar aircraft *or take off* in any aircraft from any area in any county park not specifically designated for such purposes without a written permit from the director or his/her designee. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAFQgMPbJ%3DXqLjNs%3DUFyNDrgYzPmmpbSVga4rOrckmXCKkrX24Q%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: [geo] MUST READ: Controversial Startup Trying to Cool Climate From U.S. Soil | Time
Wow, just wow, dude. (Likely they violated several local ordinances governing permitted activities in public parks.) From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com on behalf of Andrew Lockley Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 5:05 PM To: geoengineering Subject: [geo] MUST READ: Controversial Startup Trying to Cool Climate From U.S. Soil | Time Poster's note: this is probably the most astonishing thing I've read in ~a decade in geoengineering. I'm no expert in the law on US materials manufacturing, but I'm guessing you're probably not allowed to set up meth-lab style toxic gas manufacturing facilities in hotel bedrooms. Can anyone clarify this? (I've bcc a lawyer or two) It also begs the question of what remedy is available to enforce whatever statute may exist to dissuade firms from such hotel room operations. I'm also curious as to whether the firms investors and sponsors are aware that this is how they go about their operations? Apologies if this comes across as editorialising, but I'm not sure the normal rules of discourse apply here. At some point you just have to hit the alarm button (and doing so in that hotel would probably have been justified). https://time.com/6257102/geoengineering-make-sunsets-us-balloon-launch-exclusive/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://time.com/6257102/geoengineering-make-sunsets-us-balloon-launch-exclusive/__;!!NO21cQ!Fez3CC626VkLz9w0a-vVwuaUK7fPAnz5FHbEDsVmkU_uuB4mSp4NijErUujD5SOa1X2GXbpBlc-DXTj3NbpBQBc$> CLIMATE ADAPTATIONEXCLUSIVE: INSIDE A CONTROVERSIAL STARTUP'S RISKY ATTEMPT TO CONTROL OUR CLIMATE Exclusive: Inside a Controversial Startup's Risky Attempt to Control Our Climate BY ALEJANDRO DE LA GARZA | PHOTOGRAPHS BY BALAZS GARDI FOR TIME | FEBRUARY 21, 2023 2:53 PM EST Founder Luke Iseman and co-founder Andrew Song of solar geoengineering startup Make Sunsets hold a weather balloon filled with helium, air, and sulfur dioxide at a park in Reno, Nevada on February 12, 2023. (Balazs Gardi for TIME) Founder Luke Iseman and co-founder Andrew Song of solar geoengineering startup Make Sunsets hold a weather balloon filled with helium, air, and sulfur dioxide at a park in Reno, Nevada on February 12, 2023. Balazs Gardi for TIME Luke Iseman, an innovator, renegade, or charlatan, depending on who you ask, but certainly the biggest climate tech trouble-maker in recent memory, is sitting cross legged on the floor of a Nevada hotel room, mohawk bent over a laptop, speaking on the phone with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). It’s the morning of Feb. 12, and Iseman says he’s in the last phase of dotting his i’s and crossing his t’s, legally speaking, before he releases three large weather balloons containing chemicals intended to reflect the sun’s rays back into space, the first test of the controversial climate technology in the U.S. Such administrative preparations don’t come naturally to Iseman, 39, but things have been delicate lately. His first such balloon flights, launched from his home in Baja California, put the Mexican government in conniptions when they came to light last December—he hadn’t consulted the authorities—and resulted in officials pledging to ban any such geoengineering efforts in the country. There’s also the recent American touchiness around unidentified balloons: a ‘missiles first, questions later’ policy. And then there’s the voicemail Iseman received from the FBI Directorate on Weapons of Mass Destruction two days prior. A Brutal Winter Storm Is Disrupting Travel Across the Country. Here's What to Know POSTED 1 HOUR AGO Watch More For now, the FAA call goes off without a hitch—they don’t ask him what the balloons are for, and Iseman doesn’t tell them. “This is going to go fucking smoothly, maybe,” he says after he hangs up. “Or everyone’s gonna say ‘Yeah, you should be fine,’ and then we launch and a fucking jet comes and shoots it down.” Luke Iseman experiments with creating sulfur dioxide in a hotel room. (Balazs Gardi for TIME) Luke Iseman experiments with creating sulfur dioxide in a hotel room. Balazs Gardi for TIME Next is what Andrew Song, 37, Iseman’s mustachioed, beanied business partner, insists on calling “the cook”—as in, “We have to cook,” from meth drama Breaking Bad. The hotel room is cluttered with hardware that Iseman and Song have recently purchased from Home Depot: plastic tubing, pressure cooker, a cooler filled with dry ice, and assorted one-pound jugs of sulfur-based fungicide. There’s a towel under the door, and the window is open. Song hands me an industrial respirator when I walk in. “You’re gonna need this,” he says solemnly. Iseman and Song intend to put a few grams of sulfur dioxide (SO2) into their helium weather balloons. In the upper atmosphere, SO2—a chemical found in airplane exhaust and ejected by volcanoes—bounces solar radiation back into space, part of the reason global temperatures can drop in the aftermath o
Re: [geo] MUST READ: Controversial Startup Trying to Cool Climate From U.S. Soil | Time
The penis jokes noted in the article fit right in with the general picture. On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 5:05 PM Andrew Lockley wrote: > Poster's note: this is probably the most astonishing thing I've read in ~a > decade in geoengineering. I'm no expert in the law on US hazardous > materials manufacturing, but I'm guessing you're probably not allowed to > set up meth-lab style toxic gas manufacturing facilities in hotel bedrooms. > Can anyone clarify this? (I've bcc a lawyer or two) It also begs the > question of what remedy is available to enforce whatever statute may exist > to dissuade firms from such hotel room operations. I'm also curious as to > whether the firms investors and sponsors are aware that this is how they go > about their operations? Apologies if this comes across as editorialising, > but I'm not sure the normal rules of discourse apply here. At some point > you just have to hit the alarm button (and doing so in that hotel would > probably have been justified). > > > > https://time.com/6257102/geoengineering-make-sunsets-us-balloon-launch-exclusive/ > > > > CLIMATE ADAPTATIONEXCLUSIVE: INSIDE A CONTROVERSIAL STARTUP'S RISKY > ATTEMPT TO CONTROL OUR CLIMATE > Exclusive: Inside a Controversial Startup's Risky Attempt to Control Our > Climate > BY ALEJANDRO DE LA GARZA | PHOTOGRAPHS BY BALAZS GARDI FOR TIME | > FEBRUARY 21, 2023 2:53 PM EST > Founder Luke Iseman and co-founder Andrew Song of solar geoengineering > startup Make Sunsets hold a weather balloon filled with helium, air, and > sulfur dioxide at a park in Reno, Nevada on February 12, 2023. (Balazs > Gardi for TIME) > Founder Luke Iseman and co-founder Andrew Song of solar geoengineering > startup Make Sunsets hold a weather balloon filled with helium, air, and > sulfur dioxide at a park in Reno, Nevada on February 12, 2023. Balazs Gardi > for TIME > Luke Iseman, an innovator, renegade, or charlatan, depending on who you > ask, but certainly the biggest climate tech trouble-maker in recent memory, > is sitting cross legged on the floor of a Nevada hotel room, mohawk bent > over a laptop, speaking on the phone with the Federal Aviation > Administration (FAA). It’s the morning of Feb. 12, and Iseman says he’s in > the last phase of dotting his i’s and crossing his t’s, legally speaking, > before he releases three large weather balloons containing chemicals > intended to reflect the sun’s rays back into space, the first test of the > controversial climate technology in the U.S. > > Such administrative preparations don’t come naturally to Iseman, 39, but > things have been delicate lately. His first such balloon flights, launched > from his home in Baja California, put the Mexican government in conniptions > when they came to light last December—he hadn’t consulted the > authorities—and resulted in officials pledging to ban any such > geoengineering efforts in the country. There’s also the recent American > touchiness around unidentified balloons: a ‘missiles first, questions > later’ policy. And then there’s the voicemail Iseman received from the FBI > Directorate on Weapons of Mass Destruction two days prior. > > A Brutal Winter Storm Is Disrupting Travel Across the Country. Here's What > to Know > > POSTED 1 HOUR AGO > Watch More > > For now, the FAA call goes off without a hitch—they don’t ask him what the > balloons are for, and Iseman doesn’t tell them. “This is going to go > fucking smoothly, maybe,” he says after he hangs up. “Or everyone’s gonna > say ‘Yeah, you should be fine,’ and then we launch and a fucking jet comes > and shoots it down.” > > Luke Iseman experiments with creating sulfur dioxide in a hotel room. > (Balazs Gardi for TIME) > Luke Iseman experiments with creating sulfur dioxide in a hotel room. > Balazs Gardi for TIME > Next is what Andrew Song, 37, Iseman’s mustachioed, beanied business > partner, insists on calling “the cook”—as in, “We have to cook,” from meth > drama Breaking Bad. The hotel room is cluttered with hardware that Iseman > and Song have recently purchased from Home Depot: plastic tubing, pressure > cooker, a cooler filled with dry ice, and assorted one-pound jugs of > sulfur-based fungicide. There’s a towel under the door, and the window is > open. Song hands me an industrial respirator when I walk in. “You’re gonna > need this,” he says solemnly. > > Iseman and Song intend to put a few grams of sulfur dioxide (SO2) into > their helium weather balloons. In the upper atmosphere, SO2—a chemical > found in airplane exhaust and ejected by volcanoes—bounces solar radiation > back into space, part of the reason global temperatures can drop in the > aftermath of some volcanic eruptions. Iseman and Song haven’t yet arranged > for a chemicals company to supply them with SO2, so they are making it > themselves. And today they’re trying out a new technique in the hotel > room—a scaled-up version of something they had seen on YouTube—burning the > sulfur-based fungicide, then sucking the resultant gas
[geo] MUST READ: Controversial Startup Trying to Cool Climate From U.S. Soil | Time
Poster's note: this is probably the most astonishing thing I've read in ~a decade in geoengineering. I'm no expert in the law on US hazardous materials manufacturing, but I'm guessing you're probably not allowed to set up meth-lab style toxic gas manufacturing facilities in hotel bedrooms. Can anyone clarify this? (I've bcc a lawyer or two) It also begs the question of what remedy is available to enforce whatever statute may exist to dissuade firms from such hotel room operations. I'm also curious as to whether the firms investors and sponsors are aware that this is how they go about their operations? Apologies if this comes across as editorialising, but I'm not sure the normal rules of discourse apply here. At some point you just have to hit the alarm button (and doing so in that hotel would probably have been justified). https://time.com/6257102/geoengineering-make-sunsets-us-balloon-launch-exclusive/ CLIMATE ADAPTATIONEXCLUSIVE: INSIDE A CONTROVERSIAL STARTUP'S RISKY ATTEMPT TO CONTROL OUR CLIMATE Exclusive: Inside a Controversial Startup's Risky Attempt to Control Our Climate BY ALEJANDRO DE LA GARZA | PHOTOGRAPHS BY BALAZS GARDI FOR TIME | FEBRUARY 21, 2023 2:53 PM EST Founder Luke Iseman and co-founder Andrew Song of solar geoengineering startup Make Sunsets hold a weather balloon filled with helium, air, and sulfur dioxide at a park in Reno, Nevada on February 12, 2023. (Balazs Gardi for TIME) Founder Luke Iseman and co-founder Andrew Song of solar geoengineering startup Make Sunsets hold a weather balloon filled with helium, air, and sulfur dioxide at a park in Reno, Nevada on February 12, 2023. Balazs Gardi for TIME Luke Iseman, an innovator, renegade, or charlatan, depending on who you ask, but certainly the biggest climate tech trouble-maker in recent memory, is sitting cross legged on the floor of a Nevada hotel room, mohawk bent over a laptop, speaking on the phone with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). It’s the morning of Feb. 12, and Iseman says he’s in the last phase of dotting his i’s and crossing his t’s, legally speaking, before he releases three large weather balloons containing chemicals intended to reflect the sun’s rays back into space, the first test of the controversial climate technology in the U.S. Such administrative preparations don’t come naturally to Iseman, 39, but things have been delicate lately. His first such balloon flights, launched from his home in Baja California, put the Mexican government in conniptions when they came to light last December—he hadn’t consulted the authorities—and resulted in officials pledging to ban any such geoengineering efforts in the country. There’s also the recent American touchiness around unidentified balloons: a ‘missiles first, questions later’ policy. And then there’s the voicemail Iseman received from the FBI Directorate on Weapons of Mass Destruction two days prior. A Brutal Winter Storm Is Disrupting Travel Across the Country. Here's What to Know POSTED 1 HOUR AGO Watch More For now, the FAA call goes off without a hitch—they don’t ask him what the balloons are for, and Iseman doesn’t tell them. “This is going to go fucking smoothly, maybe,” he says after he hangs up. “Or everyone’s gonna say ‘Yeah, you should be fine,’ and then we launch and a fucking jet comes and shoots it down.” Luke Iseman experiments with creating sulfur dioxide in a hotel room. (Balazs Gardi for TIME) Luke Iseman experiments with creating sulfur dioxide in a hotel room. Balazs Gardi for TIME Next is what Andrew Song, 37, Iseman’s mustachioed, beanied business partner, insists on calling “the cook”—as in, “We have to cook,” from meth drama Breaking Bad. The hotel room is cluttered with hardware that Iseman and Song have recently purchased from Home Depot: plastic tubing, pressure cooker, a cooler filled with dry ice, and assorted one-pound jugs of sulfur-based fungicide. There’s a towel under the door, and the window is open. Song hands me an industrial respirator when I walk in. “You’re gonna need this,” he says solemnly. Iseman and Song intend to put a few grams of sulfur dioxide (SO2) into their helium weather balloons. In the upper atmosphere, SO2—a chemical found in airplane exhaust and ejected by volcanoes—bounces solar radiation back into space, part of the reason global temperatures can drop in the aftermath of some volcanic eruptions. Iseman and Song haven’t yet arranged for a chemicals company to supply them with SO2, so they are making it themselves. And today they’re trying out a new technique in the hotel room—a scaled-up version of something they had seen on YouTube—burning the sulfur-based fungicide, then sucking the resultant gas through tubing cooled with dry ice in order to precipitate liquid SO2 into the pressure cooker. SO2 gas isn’t pleasant stuff. It forms sulfuric acid when it comes into contact with water, as it does in the eyes and the mucous membranes of the lungs. In sufficient concentrations, it’ll kill you.
