Re: [geo] What kind of observing system do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano?
1. In a major eruption many predeployed sensors may not survive (IIRC this occurred at Mt. St. Helen's). Nearby cities, airports, universities may be totally incapacitated. High-res satellite imagery will be available almost immediately via the civil vendors. At Fukushima, rhe arrival of specialized sensors took 24 to 96 hours for approvals, loading, transit, and deployment. Planning can reduce these vulnerabilities, but getting the right sensors collecting at the right locations *promptly* is always going to be a challenge. 2. Some of the major pain points in information gathering after Fukushima were human-behaivor driven, i.e. the confused and obfuscatory reporting emanating from the plant operators. The Italian seismologist case illustrates that in the aftermath of a major volcanic event officials would not be completely irrational to exhibit some CYA behavior about access to disaster area and government observations. If I remember correctly, there was also some will to disbelieve lag involved in gathering data related to the Icelandic ejections that disrupted jet travel a coujple of years ago. 3. If a major eruption occurs 5 or 10 years from now, all the following will be inescapably present in much larger quantities: drones, cellphones, autonomous floats divers, citizen observers, 3-D printers, wireless appliances, and on and on,. Scientists should be thinking about how to take advantage of these developments. --- Fred Zimmerman Geoengineering IT! Bringing together the worlds of geoengineering and information technology GE NewsFilter: http://geoengineeringIT.net:8080 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Ken Caldeira kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu wrote: With respect to learning more about potential consequences of solar geoengineering, what kinds of observing systems do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano? What would we want to have in space (and why)? What would we want to have in airplanes (and why)? What would we want on the ground (and why)? How would these assets be utilized when there is no big volcano? Are there any high-quality reports or studies that address this issue? - -- ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Assistant: Sharyn Nantuna, snant...@carnegiescience.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [geo] What kind of observing system do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano?
My own experience of palaeovulcanology is cautionary- modest as the number of active and dormant volcanoes may be , very few have recorded eruptive histories. Investigating an Olmec lithic source in the geologically young mountains of Guatemala, we noted a maar a few kilometers distant and a spectacular volcanic cone - Volcan Jumay dominating the southern horizon. Riding up, we encountered volcanic bombs atop one of the summits overlooking the source area, we were naturally curious as to which crater ejected them, and when- nothing brings closure to archaeological site dating better than a good old fashioned Pompei. No such luck. Unfortunately, nobody had mapped the maar, and nobody in the province of Jalapa , or the geological survey offices in the capital, had any catalog of eruptions of Jumay- absent going back to dig for datable materials, there was no telling whether the volcanic fallout was centuries or eons old . Such records as existed pertained to only a handfull of the two dozen active volcanoes in the nation, largely those within sight of the old and new capital cities. It would be nice if every volcano became a thesis topic , if only to get de minimis carbon dates for their holocene eruptive sequences , making life a lot easier for climate modelers as well as archaeologists. On Friday, July 19, 2013 11:59:34 AM UTC-4, Fred Zimmerman wrote: 1. In a major eruption many predeployed sensors may not survive (IIRC this occurred at Mt. St. Helen's). Nearby cities, airports, universities may be totally incapacitated. High-res satellite imagery will be available almost immediately via the civil vendors. At Fukushima, rhe arrival of specialized sensors took 24 to 96 hours for approvals, loading, transit, and deployment. Planning can reduce these vulnerabilities, but getting the right sensors collecting at the right locations *promptly* is always going to be a challenge. 2. Some of the major pain points in information gathering after Fukushima were human-behaivor driven, i.e. the confused and obfuscatory reporting emanating from the plant operators. The Italian seismologist case illustrates that in the aftermath of a major volcanic event officials would not be completely irrational to exhibit some CYA behavior about access to disaster area and government observations. If I remember correctly, there was also some will to disbelieve lag involved in gathering data related to the Icelandic ejections that disrupted jet travel a coujple of years ago. 3. If a major eruption occurs 5 or 10 years from now, all the following will be inescapably present in much larger quantities: drones, cellphones, autonomous floats divers, citizen observers, 3-D printers, wireless appliances, and on and on,. Scientists should be thinking about how to take advantage of these developments. --- Fred Zimmerman Geoengineering IT! Bringing together the worlds of geoengineering and information technology GE NewsFilter: http://geoengineeringIT.net:8080 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Ken Caldeira kcal...@carnegiescience.edujavascript: wrote: With respect to learning more about potential consequences of solar geoengineering, what kinds of observing systems do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano? What would we want to have in space (and why)? What would we want to have in airplanes (and why)? What would we want on the ground (and why)? How would these assets be utilized when there is no big volcano? Are there any high-quality reports or studies that address this issue? - -- ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 kcal...@carnegiescience.edu javascript: http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Assistant: Sharyn Nantuna, snan...@carnegiescience.edu javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineerin...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to geoengi...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit
[geo] What kind of observing system do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano?
With respect to learning more about potential consequences of solar geoengineering, what kinds of observing systems do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano? What would we want to have in space (and why)? What would we want to have in airplanes (and why)? What would we want on the ground (and why)? How would these assets be utilized when there is no big volcano? Are there any high-quality reports or studies that address this issue? - -- ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Assistant: Sharyn Nantuna, snant...@carnegiescience.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [geo] What kind of observing system do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano?
great question. i'd like to post a variant on dot earth from you if you'd be okay with that. just another sentence or two on why volcanoes are important natural experiments, perhaps a line on how recent work has found that more modest volcanoes seem to have more impact (?), then the callout? On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Ken Caldeira kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu wrote: With respect to learning more about potential consequences of solar geoengineering, what kinds of observing systems do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano? What would we want to have in space (and why)? What would we want to have in airplanes (and why)? What would we want on the ground (and why)? How would these assets be utilized when there is no big volcano? Are there any high-quality reports or studies that address this issue? - -- ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Assistant: Sharyn Nantuna, snant...@carnegiescience.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *_* * * ANDREW C. REVKIN Dot Earth blogger, The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/dotearth Senior Fellow, Pace Acad. for Applied Env. Studies Cell: 914-441-5556 Fax: 914-989-8009 Twitter: @revkin Skype: Andrew.Revkin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [geo] What kind of observing system do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano?
Dear Ken, Yes. See: Robock, Alan, Douglas G. MacMartin, Riley Duren, and Matthew W. Christensen, 2013: Studying geoengineering with natural and anthropogenic analogs. /Climatic Change/, published online, doi:10.1007/s10584-013-0777-5. http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/AnalogsGeoengineering.pdf We are also planning a research program to specifically answer those questions you asked. Alan Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor Editor, Reviews of Geophysics Director, Meteorology Undergraduate Program Associate Director, Center for Environmental Prediction Department of Environmental Sciences Phone: +1-848-932-5751 Rutgers University Fax: +1-732-932-8644 14 College Farm Road E-mail: rob...@envsci.rutgers.edu New Brunswick, NJ 08901-8551 USA http://envsci.rutgers.edu/~robock http://twitter.com/AlanRobock On 7/18/13 5:20 AM, Ken Caldeira wrote: With respect to learning more about potential consequences of solar geoengineering, what kinds of observing systems do we need in place to take maximal advantage of the next big volcano? What would we want to have in space (and why)? What would we want to have in airplanes (and why)? What would we want on the ground (and why)? How would these assets be utilized when there is no big volcano? Are there any high-quality reports or studies that address this issue? - -- ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu mailto:kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab@kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Assistant: Sharyn Nantuna, snant...@carnegiescience.edu mailto:snant...@carnegiescience.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
