Re: [Geotools-devel] Formerly proposing Remove OpenGIS activity

2023-03-21 Thread Andrea Aime 
Hi Jody,
agreed, we cannot afford having two large APIs shifts in sequence, each one
will have ramification
both in terms of downstreams projects affected, and in terms of time, as it
will make backports harder
to deal with.

As a big API break it will be limited to the main branch, while stable and
maintenance will remain on
the previous one, meaning all backports will need some amount of rewriting
(if we do it right, mostly imports).
We'll also need some time for the waters to settle before we can cut a
release, it's not something we
can do, say, in August, to release right afterwards in September.

So I'd expect the change to cause friction in the project for 6-12 months
after it landed, increasing
all contribution costs.

The plan proposed looks good, and also the bare minimum for acceptance.
+1

Cheers
Andrea

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 8:23 PM Jody Garnett  wrote:

> This was discussed  earlier
> as part of OSGeo budget allocation
> .
>
> Before proceeding with fundraising and setting up an osgeo initiative I
> want to confirm with the GeoTools PMC that this is a good idea and we are
> okay with doing the work if funding / planning / enthusiasm are in place to
> complete the activity.
>
> The proposal is here, and the approach has been discussed in prior
> meetings:
> - https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/Remove-OpenGIS
> --
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Re: [Geotools-devel] Formerly proposing Remove OpenGIS activity

2023-03-21 Thread Ian Turton 
+1

Ian

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 06:33, Jody Garnett  wrote:

> +1 from me; I like the proposal as written (and would not be content with
> just a search and replace).
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:21 PM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> This was discussed  
>> earlier
>> as part of OSGeo budget allocation
>> .
>>
>> Before proceeding with fundraising and setting up an osgeo initiative I
>> want to confirm with the GeoTools PMC that this is a good idea and we are
>> okay with doing the work if funding / planning / enthusiasm are in place to
>> complete the activity.
>>
>> The proposal is here, and the approach has been discussed in prior
>> meetings:
>> - https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/Remove-OpenGIS
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
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Re: [Geotools-devel] Formerly proposing Remove OpenGIS activity

2023-03-21 Thread Jody Garnett 
The additional overhead for backports is a good point Andrea and one I had
not thought of; one we could mitigate slightly with planning.

aside: I should note that the funds raised thus far are not exclusively for
GeoTools; some availability or code sprint will be required for downstream
projects to make the change.I expect many will not be in position to notice
until after a stable release is made.

So we should plan for API migration this release cycle Q3/Q4; and then to
host a code sprint or office hours or something for downstream projects to
migrate in Q4.
- April 21-23: Apache / OGC / OGC Code sprint - good opportunity but too
soon
- July 1-2: FOSS4G - very small sprint maybe suitable for proof-of-concept
and planning what to do on package by package basis
- August 21 - September 1: Bolsean - this is a good candidate but *very*
close to our RC deadline

I expect supporting other projects will need to be an online sprint;
suggest: "last friday of the month" drop in office hours.
--
Jody Garnett


On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 2:00 AM Andrea Aime <
andrea.a...@geosolutionsgroup.com> wrote:

> Hi Jody,
> agreed, we cannot afford having two large APIs shifts in sequence, each
> one will have ramification
> both in terms of downstreams projects affected, and in terms of time, as
> it will make backports harder
> to deal with.
>
> As a big API break it will be limited to the main branch, while stable and
> maintenance will remain on
> the previous one, meaning all backports will need some amount of rewriting
> (if we do it right, mostly imports).
> We'll also need some time for the waters to settle before we can cut a
> release, it's not something we
> can do, say, in August, to release right afterwards in September.
>
> So I'd expect the change to cause friction in the project for 6-12 months
> after it landed, increasing
> all contribution costs.
>
> The plan proposed looks good, and also the bare minimum for acceptance.
> +1
>
> Cheers
> Andrea
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 8:23 PM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> This was discussed  
>> earlier
>> as part of OSGeo budget allocation
>> .
>>
>> Before proceeding with fundraising and setting up an osgeo initiative I
>> want to confirm with the GeoTools PMC that this is a good idea and we are
>> okay with doing the work if funding / planning / enthusiasm are in place to
>> complete the activity.
>>
>> The proposal is here, and the approach has been discussed in prior
>> meetings:
>> - https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/Remove-OpenGIS
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
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>
>
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> Regards,
>
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Re: [Geotools-devel] Formerly proposing Remove OpenGIS activity

2023-03-21 Thread Nuno Oliveira 
+0

On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 3:43 PM Jody Garnett  wrote:

> The additional overhead for backports is a good point Andrea and one I had
> not thought of; one we could mitigate slightly with planning.
>
> aside: I should note that the funds raised thus far are not exclusively
> for GeoTools; some availability or code sprint will be required for
> downstream projects to make the change.I expect many will not be in
> position to notice until after a stable release is made.
>
> So we should plan for API migration this release cycle Q3/Q4; and then to
> host a code sprint or office hours or something for downstream projects to
> migrate in Q4.
> - April 21-23: Apache / OGC / OGC Code sprint - good opportunity but too
> soon
> - July 1-2: FOSS4G - very small sprint maybe suitable for proof-of-concept
> and planning what to do on package by package basis
> - August 21 - September 1: Bolsean - this is a good candidate but *very*
> close to our RC deadline
>
> I expect supporting other projects will need to be an online sprint;
> suggest: "last friday of the month" drop in office hours.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 2:00 AM Andrea Aime <
> andrea.a...@geosolutionsgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jody,
>> agreed, we cannot afford having two large APIs shifts in sequence, each
>> one will have ramification
>> both in terms of downstreams projects affected, and in terms of time, as
>> it will make backports harder
>> to deal with.
>>
>> As a big API break it will be limited to the main branch, while stable
>> and maintenance will remain on
>> the previous one, meaning all backports will need some amount of
>> rewriting (if we do it right, mostly imports).
>> We'll also need some time for the waters to settle before we can cut a
>> release, it's not something we
>> can do, say, in August, to release right afterwards in September.
>>
>> So I'd expect the change to cause friction in the project for 6-12 months
>> after it landed, increasing
>> all contribution costs.
>>
>> The plan proposed looks good, and also the bare minimum for acceptance.
>> +1
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 8:23 PM Jody Garnett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This was discussed  
>>> earlier
>>> as part of OSGeo budget allocation
>>> .
>>>
>>> Before proceeding with fundraising and setting up an osgeo initiative I
>>> want to confirm with the GeoTools PMC that this is a good idea and we are
>>> okay with doing the work if funding / planning / enthusiasm are in place to
>>> complete the activity.
>>>
>>> The proposal is here, and the approach has been discussed in prior
>>> meetings:
>>> - https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/Remove-OpenGIS
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>> ___
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>>> GeoTools-Devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geotools-devel
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andrea Aime
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [Geotools-devel] Formerly proposing Remove OpenGIS activity

2023-03-21 Thread Simone Giannecchini 
+1

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On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 5:11 PM Nuno Oliveira <
nuno.olive...@geosolutionsgroup.com> wrote:

> +0
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 3:43 PM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> The additional overhead for backports is a good point Andrea and one I
>> had not thought of; one we could mitigate slightly with planning.
>>
>> aside: I should note that the funds raised thus far are not exclusively
>> for GeoTools; some availability or code sprint will be required for
>> downstream projects to make the change.I expect many will not be in
>> position to notice until after a stable release is made.
>>
>> So we should plan for API migration this release cycle Q3/Q4; and then to
>> host a code sprint or office hours or something for downstream projects to
>> migrate in Q4.
>> - April 21-23: Apache / OGC / OGC Code sprint - good opportunity but too
>> soon
>> - July 1-2: FOSS4G - very small sprint maybe suitable for
>> proof-of-concept and planning what to do on package by package basis
>> - August 21 - September 1: Bolsean - this is a good candidate but *very*
>> close to our RC deadline
>>
>> I expect supporting other projects will need to be an online sprint;
>> suggest: "last friday of the month" drop in office hours.
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 2:00 AM Andrea Aime <
>> andrea.a...@geosolutionsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jody,
>>> agreed, we cannot afford having two large APIs shifts in sequence, each
>>> one will have ramification
>>> both in terms of downstreams projects affected, and in terms of time, as
>>> it will make backports harder
>>> to deal with.
>>>
>>> As a big API break it will be limited to the main branch, while stable
>>> and maintenance will remain on
>>> the previous one, meaning all backports will need some amount of
>>> rewriting (if we do it right, mostly imports).
>>> We'll also need some time for the waters to settle before we can cut a
>>> release, it's not something we
>>> can do, say, in August, to release right afterwards in September.
>>>
>>> So I'd expect the change to cause friction in the project for 6-12
>>> months after it landed, increasing
>>> all contribution costs.
>>>
>>> The plan proposed looks good, and also the bare minimum for acceptance.
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 8:23 PM Jody Garnett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This was discussed  
 earlier
 as part of OSGeo budget allocation
 .

 Before proceeding with fundraising and setting up an osgeo initiative I
 want to confirm with the GeoTools PMC that this is a good idea and we are
 okay with doing the work if funding / planning / enthusiasm are in place to
 complete the activity.

 The proposal is here, and the approach has been discussed in prior
 meetings:
 - https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/Remove-OpenGIS
 --
 Jody Garnett
 ___
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 GeoTools-Devel@lists.sourceforge.net
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Andrea Aime
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> phone: +39 0584 962313
>>>
>>> fax: +39 0584 1660272
>>>
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