[gep-ed] Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

[Dale W Jamieson]

prof bothun is correct that climate change cannot be prevented.  will is
correct in thinking that, even so, policy and politics matter.   that both
of these claims are true was an important theme of my 2015 book:
Reason in a Dark Time: Why the Struggle Against Climate Change Failed --
and What It Means for Our Future
https://www.amazon.com/Reason-Dark-Time-Struggle-Against/dp/0199337667
**
Dale Jamieson
Professor of Environmental Studies and Philosophy
Affiliated Professor of Law, Affiliated Professor of Medical Ethics,
Affiliated Professor of Bioethics
Director, Center for Environmental and Animal Protection
New York University
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New York NY 10003-6653
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Recent Book: Oppenheimer, Oreskes, Jamieson et al - *Discerning Experts:
The Practices of Scientific Assessment for Environmental Policy*

https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo33765378.html






On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 9:07 PM Wil Burns  wrote:

> Here’s a direct quote: “Personally, I have long believed that climate
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[gep-ed] RE: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

[Wil Burns]

Here’s a direct quote: “Personally, I have long believed that climate change, 
in the form of severe regional weather,
has been upon us for the last ten years so I find it counterproductive to have 
students deal
with "politics and policy to prevent climate change".

That strongly implies that one shouldn’t spend time on mitigation issues.

wil




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Co-Director & Professor of Practice
Institute for Carbon Removal Law & Policy
American University

Email: wbu...@american.edu
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From: Allison M. Chatrchyan 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 7:55 PM
To: Wil Burns 
Cc: Prof. G. Bothun ; Kate O'NEILL ; 
'GEP-Ed List ; essfo...@aessonline.org
Subject: Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

You might want to keep the snarky tone out of the email responses. We’re all 
aware of how drastic climate change is and how insufficient the response is. 
We’re all trying to work on this issue and teach students to take it seriously, 
and force governments to act. I don’t think he said he teaches with a “singular 
focus on adaptation.”
Kind Regards, Allison


On Jul 26, 2021, at 5:49 PM, Wil Burns 
mailto:w...@feronia.org>> wrote:

I believe it’s a fundamental mistake to teach climate change in this fashion. 
Professor Bothun is assuredly correct that climate change manifestations are 
upon us, and substantially more is “baked in” given the fact that models 
indicate that temperatures would rise an additional 0.8C even if we all crawled 
into caves today. Having said that, however, the policies and measures that we 
take to decarbonize the global economy, and our time schedule for doing so, 
will have a profound impact on whether we ultimately hold temperatures to 2-3C 
above pre-industrial levels, or end up in the RCP8.5 worst case scenario 
territory, with temperatures rising 4-5C. So, the focus here is not on 
“preventing climate change,” but rather “preventing the worst possible 
manifestations of climate change.”

Also, a singular focus on climate adaptation is likely to lead some students to 
believe that we can “live” with large amounts of climate change, which is much 
more the case for well-resourced nations such as the United States than most 
developing countries. For many countries in the South, full-throated mitigation 
policies by major emitters are critical, and I think it’s important in 
simulations to have students explore these options, and the equitable arguments 
for compelling more aggressive mitigation measures by the top 10 emitters.

wil







WIL BURNS
Visiting Professor
Environmental Policy & Culture Program
Northwestern University

Email: william.bu...@northwestern.edu
Mobile: 312.550.3079

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From: Prof. G. Bothun mailto:big...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 4:02 PM
To: Kate O'NEILL mailto:kmone...@berkeley.edu>>
Cc: 'GEP-Ed List mailto:gep-ed@googlegroups.com>>; 
essfo...@aessonline.org
Subject: Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

I have done similar exercises but have had the most 

[gep-ed] RE: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

[Wil Burns]

Yes, the Bangladesh example is a quintessential example on why we need to train 
students to understand concepts beyond adaptation, including loss and damage 
concepts, e.g. mandatory re-settlement protocols and liability. These can also 
be built into simulations.

Wil




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WIL BURNS
Co-Director & Professor of Practice
Institute for Carbon Removal Law & Policy
American University

Email: wbu...@american.edu
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From: Prof. G. Bothun 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 4:56 PM
To: Wil Burns 
Cc: Kate O'NEILL ; 'GEP-Ed List 
; essfo...@aessonline.org
Subject: Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

Building somewhat on that, I have also found students to be pretty engaged with 
the idea
that "climate change adaptation" is highly differential and mostly inequitable 
on a global scale, so
what should the world do to fund and sustain equitable adaptation?   When 
Bangladesh is under water (
(2065 is my prediction) due to storm surges - what will the world do then 
accommodate, by then,
about 200 million people?   Getting students to underscale scale, I think is 
important in this regard.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 2:49 PM Wil Burns 
mailto:w...@feronia.org>> wrote:
I believe it’s a fundamental mistake to teach climate change in this fashion. 
Professor Bothun is assuredly correct that climate change manifestations are 
upon us, and substantially more is “baked in” given the fact that models 
indicate that temperatures would rise an additional 0.8C even if we all crawled 
into caves today. Having said that, however, the policies and measures that we 
take to decarbonize the global economy, and our time schedule for doing so, 
will have a profound impact on whether we ultimately hold temperatures to 2-3C 
above pre-industrial levels, or end up in the RCP8.5 worst case scenario 
territory, with temperatures rising 4-5C. So, the focus here is not on 
“preventing climate change,” but rather “preventing the worst possible 
manifestations of climate change.”

Also, a singular focus on climate adaptation is likely to lead some students to 
believe that we can “live” with large amounts of climate change, which is much 
more the case for well-resourced nations such as the United States than most 
developing countries. For many countries in the South, full-throated mitigation 
policies by major emitters are critical, and I think it’s important in 
simulations to have students explore these options, and the equitable arguments 
for compelling more aggressive mitigation measures by the top 10 emitters.

wil



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WIL BURNS
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Environmental Policy & Culture Program
Northwestern University

Email: william.bu...@northwestern.edu
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From: Prof. G. Bothun mailto:big...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 4:02 PM
To: Kate O'NEILL mailto:kmone...@berkeley.edu>>
Cc: 'GEP-Ed List mailto:gep-ed@googlegroups.com>>; 
essfo...@aessonline.org
Subject: Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations 

[gep-ed] RE: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

[Wil Burns]

I believe it’s a fundamental mistake to teach climate change in this fashion. 
Professor Bothun is assuredly correct that climate change manifestations are 
upon us, and substantially more is “baked in” given the fact that models 
indicate that temperatures would rise an additional 0.8C even if we all crawled 
into caves today. Having said that, however, the policies and measures that we 
take to decarbonize the global economy, and our time schedule for doing so, 
will have a profound impact on whether we ultimately hold temperatures to 2-3C 
above pre-industrial levels, or end up in the RCP8.5 worst case scenario 
territory, with temperatures rising 4-5C. So, the focus here is not on 
“preventing climate change,” but rather “preventing the worst possible 
manifestations of climate change.”

Also, a singular focus on climate adaptation is likely to lead some students to 
believe that we can “live” with large amounts of climate change, which is much 
more the case for well-resourced nations such as the United States than most 
developing countries. For many countries in the South, full-throated mitigation 
policies by major emitters are critical, and I think it’s important in 
simulations to have students explore these options, and the equitable arguments 
for compelling more aggressive mitigation measures by the top 10 emitters.

wil



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WIL BURNS
Visiting Professor
Environmental Policy & Culture Program
Northwestern University

Email: william.bu...@northwestern.edu
Mobile: 312.550.3079

1810/1812 Chicago Ave.
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Menominee, Miami and Ho-Chunk nations, upon whose traditional homelands 
Northwestern University stands, and the Indigenous people who remain on this 
land today.




From: Prof. G. Bothun 
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 4:02 PM
To: Kate O'NEILL 
Cc: 'GEP-Ed List ; essfo...@aessonline.org
Subject: Re: [ESS Forum] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

I have done similar exercises but have had the most success by having groups 
adopt countries and analyze

a) what the main effects of climate change will be on their country and how
might that impact GDP
b) what kinds of adaptations can be done to cope with these changes
c) what is a likely financial cost, in terms of fractional GDP

Personally, I have long believed that climate change, in the form of severe 
regional weather,
has been upon us for the last ten years so I find it counterproductive to have 
students deal
with "politics and policy to prevent climate change".  I find it more 
productive to have them focus on the issues of a) climate change is here, b) 
what kind of adaptation needs to occur, c) what
policies must come into place to make it significantly worse (it will get 
incrementally worse regardless of what we do now).

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 1:47 PM Kate O'NEILL 
mailto:kmone...@berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Hello everyone,

(Apologies for cross-posting)

I hope wherever you’re at in the year is treating you well. I am teaching an 
on-line and asynchronous summer course right now, and because why not, I have 
them doing a mock climate negotiation. There are only 40 students, they’ll be 
in groups of 10 (10 countries in each), and they have a complex, 4 article 
resolution to discuss. I’m a bit worried about the final part where they 
discuss and debate positions and try to come up with an agreement. But we can’t 
do anything live, it’ll carry on over 3-5 days as they add to discussion posts 
as and when they can. Has anyone tried this? Any tips on getting conversations 
started and keeping them going? Or apps you’ve used to facilitate these/keep 
discussions focused?

They are doing opening statements with zoom backgrounds from their assigned 
countries!

I’ve called it a climate “politics” exercise, not a “negotiations” one, as 
they’ll be reflecting as they go, and we don’t have time for the full-on, 
regular semester version. This is a 6 week course.

Happy to share what we collectively come up with,

Thanks!

Kate

***
Kate O'Neill
Professor, Department of Environmental Science, Policy and Management,
Associate Dean, Office of Instructional and Student Affairs at the Rausser 
College of 

[gep-ed] Asynchronous, on-line negotiations exercises?

[Kate O'NEILL]

Hello everyone,

(Apologies for cross-posting)

I hope wherever you’re at in the year is treating you well. I am teaching an 
on-line and asynchronous summer course right now, and because why not, I have 
them doing a mock climate negotiation. There are only 40 students, they’ll be 
in groups of 10 (10 countries in each), and they have a complex, 4 article 
resolution to discuss. I’m a bit worried about the final part where they 
discuss and debate positions and try to come up with an agreement. But we can’t 
do anything live, it’ll carry on over 3-5 days as they add to discussion posts 
as and when they can. Has anyone tried this? Any tips on getting conversations 
started and keeping them going? Or apps you’ve used to facilitate these/keep 
discussions focused?

They are doing opening statements with zoom backgrounds from their assigned 
countries! 

I’ve called it a climate “politics” exercise, not a “negotiations” one, as 
they’ll be reflecting as they go, and we don’t have time for the full-on, 
regular semester version. This is a 6 week course. 

Happy to share what we collectively come up with,

Thanks!

Kate

***
Kate O'Neill
Professor, Department of Environmental Science, Policy and Management,
Associate Dean, Office of Instructional and Student Affairs at the Rausser 
College of Natural Resources
University of California at Berkeley
Unceded Chochenyo Ohlone Lands 

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