Re: BritBox: BBC and ITV set out plans for new streaming service
On 19 Jul 2019 at 9:57, CJB CJB wrote: > BritBox: BBC and ITV set out plans for new streaming service > > Wonder if this will impact GiP? > > Huh - a cache a year old might be a tad large!! > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49037855 > > ITV and BBC programmes will move on to BritBox after they have been > broadcast on TV and fallen off the broadcasters' own (free) catch-up > services - BBC iPlayer and ITV Hub. The BBC is soon expected to get > permission from regulator Ofcom to keep shows on iPlayer for a year as > standard. It started impacting Youtube a few months ago - all BBC Comedy, Docu, Drama third party uploads being deleted and replaced with Pay To View. All the old stuff I've watched was a nostalga trip and usually abandonded after concluded "Good in it's day, rubbish now" - pay = no. So far News & Current affairs eg QT still permited. Bitchute & TPB beckons ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Excessive Bounces
I'm getting an message regarding excessive bounces too without me posting to the group! No idea why, I've been a member of this group for several years and haven't changed anything. I replied to the admin of the group as suggested in the email but he's not responded and that was about a fortnight ago. He's either not received it, or not bothered or is dead. It's somewhat reassuring to know that I'm not the only person receiving the "excessive bounces" message Regards Kevin McCarthy. -Original Message- From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On Behalf Of david whelan Sent: 28 July 2019 00:33 To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: Excessive Bounces Does anyone know of any free email providers that are suitably standards-compliant? On 2019-07-27 9:03 a.m., Roger Bell_West wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000, Steven Carr wrote: >> Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that�s causing GMail to >> reject emails? I know on some other lists I�m a member of changes have >> had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. > > In order to participate reliably in Internet email, you'll need a > standards-compliant platform - which gmail isn't. It's fine if you > only ever exchange mail with other walled-garden users, but talking to > the wider world is a bit more demanding. > > ___ > get_iplayer mailing list > get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer > ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Excessive Bounces
On 27/07/2019 13:03, Roger Bell_West wrote: On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000, Steven Carr wrote: Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. In order to participate reliably in Internet email, you'll need a standards-compliant platform - which gmail isn't. It's fine if you only ever exchange mail with other walled-garden users, but talking to the wider world is a bit more demanding. I flagged up a similar DKIM problem a few months ago with the zoho.com email address I was using. It was not the email from zoho.com to the list which was being bounced; it was the copy from the list back to me. In effect zoho.com was rejecting its own email. In addition members of the list were saying my posts were being rejected as spam by their email clients. The solution in my case has been to set the option Receive your own posts to the list? to No on the Subscription Options page. It is inconvenient because I have to go to the archive to check that my post has been received. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Excessive Bounces
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000, Steven Carr wrote: >Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to >reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have >had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. In order to participate reliably in Internet email, you'll need a standards-compliant platform - which gmail isn't. It's fine if you only ever exchange mail with other walled-garden users, but talking to the wider world is a bit more demanding. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Excessive Bounces
Me too - also a very infrequent contributor. - Regards, Paul Thornett On Sat., 27 Jul. 2019, 21:19 Roger Tricker, wrote: > > Yep, me too, although I rarely contribute. > Roger > > On 27/07/2019 12:14, Steven Carr wrote: > > Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now > > for “excessive bounces”. > > > > Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to > > reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have > > had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. > > > > ___ > > get_iplayer mailing list > > get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer > > > ___ > get_iplayer mailing list > get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Excessive Bounces
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 09:14:40PM +1000, Steven Carr wrote: > Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now for > “excessive bounces”. No, because I'm not using a proprietary webmail platform which won't play nicely with anything outside of its walled garden. > Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to > reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have > had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. Well, they didn't *have* to make the changes. They could have been aware that enabling DKIM/DMARC can involve a fair bit of work to configure, test, and maintain, and tell you to stop wasting their time with expensive support requests and sign up with a better email provider. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Excessive Bounces
On 27/07/2019 12:30, Alexis Huxley wrote: me too. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer Me too ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Excessive Bounces
me too. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: Excessive Bounces
Me 2. I'm using gmail. -Original Message- From: get_iplayer On Behalf Of Steven Carr Sent: 27 July 2019 12:15 To: get_iplayer-request Subject: Excessive Bounces Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now for “excessive bounces”. Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Excessive Bounces
Yep, me too, although I rarely contribute. Roger On 27/07/2019 12:14, Steven Carr wrote: Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now for “excessive bounces”. Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Excessive Bounces
Anyone else getting kicked from the list? I’ve been kicked twice now for “excessive bounces”. Has an admin (not)updated settings on the list that’s causing GMail to reject emails? I know on some other lists I’m a member of changes have had to be made to Mailman due to DKIM/DMARC. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Forum - HVF 320kbps audio streams no longer available
On 27/07/2019 01:58, Owen Smith wrote: ITV1 HD on Freeview has never broadcast in anything other than 2.0 audio. Their stated reason is it being too difficult to switch modes between content in 5.1 and adverts in 2.0. This is clearly rubbish since C4 HD does it with no problems. But given the stated reason was audio for adverts, I had assumed ITV didn't broadcast surround sound on satellite either. Personally the real reason seems like the usual ITV disease of supporting only the lowest common denominator most of the time, HD picture being their only exception to that. At one time (on satellite HD) the BBC used to switch to 5.1 on every continuity announcement with an animation intended to show off the capabilities of surround sound. Admittedly with regional adverts ITV's switching is more complicated than the BBC's. As for whether there is adequate bandwidth for additional audio streams, Spain broadcasts MPEG4 over DVB-T for its terrestrial HD channels, but does not seem to have any shortage of HD channels. Many channels have an original language (often English, French, German or Italian) audio stream in addition to the Spanish audio stream. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Forum - HVF 320kbps audio streams no longer available
In brief because this is OT: Yes. However the snag I discovered is that 'rules' here is a plural. i.e. there is more than one 'standard' (sic) mixdown set of ratios. The problem then is to ensure the *chosen* standard for given material is communicated and used for a mixdown. Otherwise the creator of the 5.1. may make different assumptions to the end-user's renderer, and the result is degraded in some way. In essence there is more than one 'way', and so the chosen 'way' also needs to be communicated and correctly employed. This may not alway happen. Jim In article , Owen Smith wrote: > As for downmix in receivers from 5.1 to 2.0 audio, there are rules for > how that is done. Given there are rules and all receivers should be > doing it the same way (and most manufacturers just buy the software from > Dolby or similar suppliers anyway), it should be possible to mix > broadcasts properly so that they work in both 5.1 and with the specified > downmix rules. -- Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Forum - HVF 320kbps audio streams no longer available
For years now, possibly since the advent of the DVB-T system, broadcasters have sent the audio description track for visually impaired viewers completely separate from the program audio. It's then mixed in by the receiver, at least on Freeview. The aim of this, frankly convoluted, system was to enable viewers to adjust the volume of the program and the audio description independently of each other to suit their needs. The end result, though, was that approximately only two of the thousands of Freeview devices on the market implemented this control. Meanwhile the cable and satellite systems use a pre-mixed broadcast stream anyway. This is a long way round of saying that while this trial is impressive, the only way this will reach your television any time soon is if it's mandated by OFCOM. Even then, end-user decoders like VLC almost definitely won't support it. Regards, James Scholes On 26/07/2019 at 2:10 pm, RS wrote: On 25/07/2019 11:13, Jim web wrote: Which then leads to the conundrum that iPlayer TV becomes the poor relation when it comes to music broadcasts like Proms. A mere 128k aac compared with the 320k aac of R3 and the 5.1. surround of HDTV DVB-T2, etc! I doubt bandwidth is the issue because the 320-128 difference compared with the rate required for the 'best' video is small. You are probably right that bandwidth is not an issue on the iPlayer. I understand it is an issue on the DVB-T2 HD channels, so that there is only enough bandwidth for the 5.1 AC3 sound stream and not enough for an accompanying downmixed 2.0 stream. In the 5.1 stream most of the dialogue will be directed to the front centre speaker, but many of the receivers being used will not have a centre speaker. The result is articles like the one in The Times today accusing actors of mumbling. The BBC has proposed a solution here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/pilots/casualty-ae-audio If you want to listen to the trial you will have to hurry. It is only on for another 4 days. There does seem to be a reduction in the number of drama programmes being made with surround sound. ITV now seems to be transmitting some films on satellite with only a 2.0 sound stream. Best wishes Richard ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
