Re: [Gimp-developer] Proposal for protesting against softwarepatents in Europe

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 15:07, Raphaël Quinet wrote:
> Is anybody against that kind of action on the GIMP web site?  If there
> is any strong opposition against it, then there is no need to have a
> long debate: I will simply forget about it.  Otherwise, I would like
> to replace the home page of www.gimp.org later today (let's say in
> three or four hours).

I think it's a good idea... we should show our support in one way or
another - this sounds like a good way to me.

Sincerely,
./Brix
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[Gimp-developer] Re: Proposal for protesting against software patents in Europe

[Raphaël Quinet]

Grumble...  It took more than one hour and a half for my message to be
distributed by the mailing lists (gimp-developer and gimp-web).  If
you reply to my message, maybe you should exceptionally also include a
CC to me, so that I can get your message before tomorrow.

I have already received some direct replies and they were all
positive.  So unless there are any major objections, I am planning to
change the symlink to the index page in one hour and a half from now,
which would be around 19:00 MET (Brussels, Paris, Berlin, ...).

-Raphaël
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[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] Firmed out roadmap

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Here is a roadmap with some meat on it (solid dates for
> milestones and other stuff) - it's pretty aggressive,
> particularly with respect to a 2.2 release next year. 

I really like the idea of setting a date for a feature freeze early.
This allows people to prepare the code they want to get in and it
makes it easy to reject stuff that comes to late. However I don't like
the idea of setting release dates. While I think that your schedule is
reasonable it should probably not be communicated outside this list
and IMO the worst thing we could do would be to publish it on any
web-site. This is a volunteers project. We don't know if we will be
able to get 2.0 out in this timeline. There are too many unforseeable
things that might happen. And who would benefit from any promised
release-dates? IMO we can only hurt ourselves by doing such promises.

Don't get me wrong. I think your schedule is reasonable and we should
definitely publish a roadmap but IMO it shouldn't include any dates.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Proposal for protesting against softwarepatents in Europe

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

As far as I am concerned, I'd be pleased to see it there.

If they aprove it in Europe, it will  be a matter of a few months 
before they catch on here (Brazil). We are at risk even with Europe 
being free.

Regards,

JS
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On Tuesday 26 August 2003 10:07 am, Raphaël Quinet wrote:
> http://www.gimp.org/nopatents.html

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[Gimp-developer] Proposal for protesting against software patents in Europe

[Raphaël Quinet]

Well, this may be a bit controversial, but I thought about supporting
the demonstration against software patents in Europe by replacing the
GIMP home page by the following page:
  http://www.gimp.org/nopatents.html
I prepared that page a couple of days ago, but now I see that the
announcement about the protest has been posted on Slashdot and several
other sites.  So maybe it is time to put it on the home page, unless
most people here are against this kind of online protest.  The GIMP
web site is in the U.S. so this may not be so relevant.  But on the
other hand, several of the most active GIMP developers are living and
working in Europe.

Is anybody against that kind of action on the GIMP web site?  If there
is any strong opposition against it, then there is no need to have a
long debate: I will simply forget about it.  Otherwise, I would like
to replace the home page of www.gimp.org later today (let's say in
three or four hours).

-Raphaël
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Firmed out roadmap

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 00:33, Daniel Rogers wrote:

> if you are missing .po files, just touch them (eg $ touch 
> po/missing-po-file.po) and you can build without the translations (po 
> files contain translatiosn of text in the gimp).  I mentioned this 
> problem on IRC.  carol straightened me out.  If I felt braver, I would 
> commit those files empty files to the gimp so that other peoples builds 
> would work (though it would propably be better to remove support for 
> that language).
> ley.edu

The correct fix is to remove the offending language from ALL_LINGUAS in
configure.in. Since gimp, unlike most other projects, has multiple
translation domains, it happens quite frequently that a translators adds
only a single po file for a new language and adds the new language to
ALL_LINGUAS even though there are po files missing in po-libgimp,
po-plug-ins and po-script-fu. This happened 2003-08-22 but Yosh removed
the offending language from configure.in on the same day so I doubt that
this was causing the problem for you. I have sent mail to the translator
who broke the build explaining the situation and pointing him at
README.i18n.


Sven

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Firmed out roadmap

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 22:22, David Neary wrote:

> You probably see that I had anticipated doing a release tomorrow
> (as anticipated at camp) as a prelude to a bug week... I just had
> a look, and make distcheck just failed on me in the po files, so
> I'm going to need to look more closely at that.

I'd really like to see libgimpthumb going into the next release but I
surely won't manage to finish this today. I was also suggesting to do a
release before the end of the week though.

If you send me your output from 'make distcheck' I could probably help
you to figure out that problem.


Sven

PS: Comments on the text tool later when I'm done with the rest of my
mail...

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Re: [Gimp-developer] fun with Adobe forums

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

On Monday 25 August 2003 9:32 pm, Branko Collin wrote:
> Sometimes, when I get bored, I start scouring forums on the net for
> GIMP related chat. Of course, it's extra double plus fun to search
> Adobe.com's forums for talk of the GIMP. Most of it is talk about
> GIMP-print, of course.
>
> --==+++==--
>
> So, did you guys know that Disney considered using the GIMP and/or
> Cinepaint, but instead paid some coders to make sure PS runs in
> WINE?
>
> 
Yup.

I saw this over on slashdot. And when I commented there something 
about preferring to see th GIMP, if not for anything else, for the 
free-software question, I got some 15 replies flaming me all over.

JS
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[Gimp-developer] fun with Adobe forums

[Branko Collin]

Sometimes, when I get bored, I start scouring forums on the net for 
GIMP related chat. Of course, it's extra double plus fun to search 
Adobe.com's forums for talk of the GIMP. Most of it is talk about 
GIMP-print, of course.

--==+++==--

So, did you guys know that Disney considered using the GIMP and/or 
Cinepaint, but instead paid some coders to make sure PS runs in WINE?



>From the article: 

(start quote)

Although Brooks [Jack Brooks, director of technology at Walt Disney 
Feature Animation--ed.] considered and even tried to use several open-
source alternatives, including GIMP, or GNU Image Manipulation 
Program (see related story), and Cinepaint (formerly FilmGimp), he 
said he ran into performance issues with the two programs. Artists 
also found the open-source programs less intuitive to use than 
Photoshop.

And while Photoshop is the program of choice among Disney's artist 
base, Disney is keeping an eye on Cinepaint and is even using the 
program in a few cases, Brooks said.

"There's this whole artistic community built around Photoshop, and we 
couldn't easily move these people to free alternatives," Brooks said. 
"[But] we hope [Cinepaint] will get to the point where we can use it 
for more tasks."

(end quote)

Perhaps somebody should call Jack Brooks and see if Disney can put 
resources in GIMP's and GEGL's development?

--==+++==--

Apparently, Adobe is ready to release PS 8 any time now. Some 
discussion was going on in the forums if speculation about the 
release date and feature set of this version; would that not play 
into the hands of the competition. No, somebody thought, the major 
competitors, GIMP, PSP, probably were the first to know these things. 
:-)

--==+++==--

About developers listening to users: 

User: I'm a 3d Character artist. I build and paint 3d characters, and 
something I want is a way to paint in realtime onto my models. I know 
that there are other third party solutions for this, but photoshop is 
the best thing to paint with. I've seen it done with the GIMP, but 
there's no way I'm using linux. What are the technical limitations to 
this? If it's an OS problem, I personally have contacts at Microsoft 
who i've talked to about this problem and they seemed interested in 
it but there's nowhere to go without some Adobe input.

Developer: The limitation is some sort of standard support from the 
3D applications. If they want to work with Adobe, we'll work with 
them 

User: Is there anyone at Adobe in particular that would be the person 
to get in contact with? If I could get a Alias or Discreet rep 
interested, who would I point them to? 

Developer: Probably me, and I'll forward them to marketing to see if 
they're really interested. In the meantime we can start discussing 
what's needed in an API to do this. 

(I would have replied that you don't need Linux to use the GIMP, but 
you need to register, and I'd feel silly doing that as I am not using 
PS myself.)


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