Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] About dialog shows unstable status
Hi, On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 00:27 +0100, Mukund wrote: #define GIMP_COPYRIGHT \ - _(Copyright © 1995-2006\n \ -Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis and the GIMP Development Team) + _(Copyright © 1995-2006\n \ +Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis\n \ +and the GIMP Development Team) Why is there a newline inserted here? I think it looked a lot better without it and there's no semantic reason why there should be a newline at this place. #define GIMP_LICENSE \ - _(GIMP is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it \ + _(\n \ +GIMP is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it \ under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by Please do not use newlines do adjust spacing. Especially not in translatable strings. The spacing in the about dialog is set to what the HIG suggests and should be fine without such hacks. If you really think it needs to be changed, please file a bug-report against GTK+. +#ifdef GIMP_UNSTABLE + gchar *comment = g_strconcat (GIMP_DESCRIPTION, \n\n, +_(This is an unstable development release.), +\n, NULL); +#endif Same comment applies here. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] About dialog shows unstable status
Hi, On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 00:27 +0100, Mukund wrote: With further input from Alan Horkan (idea to add descriptive comment) I think that the description should stay GNU Image Manipulation Program as it is now. The new text is IMO too long and I really like the fact that the current About dialog prominently expands the GIMP acronym. This doesn't really work any longer with the proposed changes. I suggest that we keep the dialog as is for stable releases. For unstable releases, it would be nice to have a small disclaimer like you proposed. Please implement this by adding another label to the vbox. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] libGimp
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 08:29, Sven Neumann wrote: Gimp is a very nice development, and a great tool, I know its possible to use it like a user (thought its user interface), add it plug-ins (in scheme or python), and use it in a batch mode. But I want to extend it to allow to use its api from another program (suppose i had a console program and I need to edit a photograph, it would be nice to have access to a libgimp utility -and all its dependencies files- with the minimum install process). I think you misunderstood what libgimp is doing. There is no image manipulation functionality in libgimp. libgimp is just used to allow the GIMP core and it's plug-ins to communicate. Without the GIMP core running, libgimp is useless. So you can't build an application, link to libgimp and use all the GIMP functionality. What you can do is to write a plug-in that communicates with a running GIMP process (or even to gimp-console, which is a gimp binary without the user interface). Does GEGL work like Mariano thought libgimp work? In that case, it is maybe a better idea to start looking at GEGL, has it will be, in the future, the image manipulation library used in The Gimp... -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org pgpjSzcOUiISw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] About dialog shows unstable status
Hi Sven On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 08:41 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Please do not use newlines do adjust spacing. Especially not in translatable strings. The spacing in the about dialog is set to what the HIG suggests and should be fine without such hacks. If you really think it needs to be changed, please file a bug-report against GTK+. In hindsight, I agree and I will remove the newlines. Mukund signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] About dialog shows unstable status
Hi Sven On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 08:50 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: With further input from Alan Horkan (idea to add descriptive comment) I think that the description should stay GNU Image Manipulation Program as it is now. The new text is IMO too long and I really like the fact that the current About dialog prominently expands the GIMP acronym. This doesn't really work any longer with the proposed changes. IMHO, I prefer Alan Horkan's comment about the descriptive text. I think this is what the field is for too, to describe what the application does tersely. But if you think it's unnecessary, I'll remove it out. I suggest that we keep the dialog as is for stable releases. For unstable releases, it would be nice to have a small disclaimer like you proposed. Please implement this by adding another label to the vbox. Yes it was too stupid of me to append the text to the comment field as it killed the semantic meaning of the field. I'll add another label to the dialog. Mukund signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 08:35:40AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Carol, On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend. Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here. Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone. let me get the information i asked for. others have mentioned that this list is a good way to talk to the people who might be able to and interested in sharing a booth with gnome. the process that one must go through to qualify is somewhat important, even if i or anyone else doesn't like those answers. i also did not mention any filthy rumors. i was talking about what a friend told me about when she managed the GNOME booth here. what possibly could be filthy about that? sincerely, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 02:35, Sven Neumann wrote: Carol, On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend. Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here. Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone. I guess I'm confused. Does Carol represent some threat that I haven't noticed in the year or so I have been watching this list? Does she have laser beams coming out of her frickin' eyes or something? Isn't the old adage something akin to: If you don't like it, don't look? If you don't like her, hit delete. I just don't get the point otherwise. She may be a twit, I don't know. She seems nice enough to me. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:48:27AM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 08:35:40AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Carol, On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend. Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here. Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone. let me get the information i asked for. others have mentioned that this list is a good way to talk to the people who might be able to and interested in sharing a booth with gnome. the process that one must go through to qualify is somewhat important, even if i or anyone else doesn't like those answers. i also did not mention any filthy rumors. i was talking about what a friend told me about when she managed the GNOME booth here. what possibly could be filthy about that? Carol, As a gimp user of many years who has watched (put up with and hated) your periodic immature bursts of vitriol, I have come up with a few alternative explanations for your behavior (and possible work-arounds) - 1 - you're a paranoid schizoprenic (work-around - please make sure you've been taking your medicine for at least 10 days before you post to the list, or, better, take Sven's advice and Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.) 2 - you're a lush (work around - please make sure you've been sober for at least 10 days before you post to the list, or, better, take Sven's advice and Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.) 3 - You're an unpleasant person with no life who gets pleasure from insulting and demeaning people who (unlike you) are trying to get things done (work-around - get a life and take Sven's advice and Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.) Personally, I think it's (3) and I have no idea why you're still permitted to post with a gimp.org address and to have the carol.gimp.org DNS entry. Just go away. -- Cheers! (Relax...have a homebrew) [in the light of the above - that's probably not a good idea] Neil THEOREM: VI is perfect. PROOF: VI in roman numerals is 6. The natural numbers 6 which divide 6 are 1, 2, and 3. 1+2+3 = 6. So 6 is a perfect number. Therefore, VI is perfect. QED -- Arthur Tateishi ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 09:59:38PM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote: On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:48:27AM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: others have mentioned that this list is a good way to talk to the people who might be able to and interested in sharing a booth with gnome. the process that one must go through to qualify is somewhat important, even if i or anyone else doesn't like those answers. i also did not mention any filthy rumors. i was talking about what a friend told me about when she managed the GNOME booth here. what possibly could be filthy about that? As a gimp user of many years who has watched (put up with and hated) your periodic immature bursts of vitriol, I have come up with a few alternative explanations for your behavior (and possible work-arounds) - 1 - you're a paranoid schizoprenic (work-around - please make sure you've been taking your medicine for at least 10 days before you post to the list, or, better, take Sven's advice and Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.) 2 - you're a lush (work around - please make sure you've been sober for at least 10 days before you post to the list, or, better, take Sven's advice and Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.) 3 - You're an unpleasant person with no life who gets pleasure from insulting and demeaning people who (unlike you) are trying to get things done (work-around - get a life and take Sven's advice and Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.) Personally, I think it's (3) and I have no idea why you're still permitted to post with a gimp.org address and to have the carol.gimp.org DNS entry. it is this: 4 - Not about any person, not personal. these questions i ask have nothing to do with me personally. i actually agree with some or all of the three things you did list, but none of them have anything to do with the questions i am asking. also, i was asking a question about the one person i know who was asked to be in attendence at one of these boothe events. i was asking about a nice volunteer. should i read between the lines that the volunteer process is actually filthy and disgusting or can i get an honest answer? i am sorry that i don't know or care about you enough to have one of the three opinions you took the time to make of me. carol Just go away. -- Cheers! (Relax...have a homebrew) [in the light of the above - that's probably not a good idea] Neil THEOREM: VI is perfect. PROOF: VI in roman numerals is 6. The natural numbers 6 which divide 6 are 1, 2, and 3. 1+2+3 = 6. So 6 is a perfect number. Therefore, VI is perfect. QED -- Arthur Tateishi ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
Brendan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wednesday 19 July 2006 02:35, Sven Neumann wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend. Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here. Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone. I guess I'm confused. Does Carol represent some threat that I haven't noticed in the year or so I have been watching this list? Does she have laser beams coming out of her frickin' eyes or something? Well, we (as in old gimp farts) are dealing with this kind of shit for at least four years now. If anybody of us would be able to understand what Carol is asking for then there would be no issue - we would answer her question and the issue would be no more. Carol was basically a source of incomprehensible messages for four years now. It is getting on at least my nerves. Other people told me that they have left GIMP/Gimp-Web development because of her. That hurts, especially for a project with that few active developers as GIMP. In the last few mails carol is indirectly suggesting that the organisation of the Siggraph stuff is somehow shady. We all want to kill Wilber - whatever that means and Gnome is evil anyway. She coerces Dave to respond to vague allegations about the GIMP-Gnome relationship, financing, how-to-become-a-volunteer-for-siggraph and whatever I am sick of that kind of stuff. I am about to unsubscribe from gimp-developer because of that kind of stuff - reading gimp-developer is no fun anymore, because at any time you can hit a message that has a very confusing and frustrating content. So yeah, Carol does represent some threat: Driving people away. This is a very real problem for the GIMP. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] libGimp
Sven: Really, thanks for your repply. Yes, I misunderstood. Then suppose that I develop that plug-in, something that allow an interproccess comunication with the GIMP, i still will have to install the GIMP, to start it in some way, and then to use it. I wonder if it is a good solution to use interproccess comunication instead of link or add it to a project (may be I cant still see the dimension of the task). Is it more difficult? or is there nothing developed that will make more easy the task? or is it impossible for some reason? or the plug in way can be a good starting point?
Another possibility can be: add to the gimp-console, this plug-in ability, or develop something like the gimp-console with this functionality, and allow it to be compiled like a library. But, if the way is a plug-in, it must have two parts: one (that must be installed in GIMP) that is responsible to expose the GIMP functionality, information about the environment (the plug-ins installed, the GIMP version,..). And a client part, that encapsulate the interproccess comunication. Because the GIMP runs on a big amount of systems, do you recommend something about the kind of ic that is the best to use? GIOChannel? signals? socket? pipe? another? In some point, the idea is, form a console test program, and like the first possible step:
#include gimp_remoteclient.hint main (void){ Gimp_Remote_Start ( ); Gimp_Image aGImg = Gimp_Remote_OpenImage ( aImg.png ); /*in a future, add image manipulation, filters and layer access,...*/
Gimp_Remote_SaveImageAs ( aGImg, AImg2.png, Gimp_ImageFormat::PNG ); Gimp_Remote_End ( ); return 0;} I am sorry about my little knowledge about this idea and how to implement it -I really want to extend GIMP in this direction, I think it will be very nice.
Thanks in advance. Mariano.On 7/19/06, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:Hi,On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 17:08 -0300, Mariano Cuenze wrote:
Gimp is a very nice development, and a great tool, I know its possible to use it like a user (thought its user interface), add it plug-ins (in scheme or python), and use it in a batch mode. But I want
to extend it to allow to use its api from another program (suppose i had a console program and I need to edit a photograph, it would be nice to have access to a libgimp utility -and all its dependencies
files- with the minimum install process).I think you misunderstood what libgimp is doing. There is no imagemanipulation functionality in libgimp. libgimp is just used to allow theGIMP core and it's plug-ins to communicate. Without the GIMP core
running, libgimp is useless. So you can't build an application, link tolibgimp and use all the GIMP functionality. What you can do is to writea plug-in that communicates with a running GIMP process (or even to
gimp-console, which is a gimp binary without the user interface).Sven
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[Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 22
Frédéric: May be. I had looked at GEGL, but it is like a low level api for image manipulation, if I unterstood well, for a simple task (like, add a mask), you have to do a long sequence of operations. With GEGL you have to talk with it using a DAG, in wicth images are edges, and operations are nodes, its sound like a very complex task (and you have to know about image proccessing). If it is the way, I will use it and I will add a layer to make things a litle bit more easy to the user of this 'extension'. It is just, I think I have to know a lot about digital image proccessing to make a correct use of GEGL. I believe that if gimp will use it, and I can develop a thing that can 'talk' with GIMP, that will be perfect. Again, I know a little about those topics, if it is the recomended way to use GEGL or if I misunderstood about GECL function, I will use it instead GIMP. Please, if you can clarify the subject to me, that will be nice. Thanks again. Mariano. -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:02:53 +0200 From: Fr?d?ric [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] libGimp To: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 On Wednesday 19 July 2006 08:29, Sven Neumann wrote: Gimp is a very nice development, and a great tool, I know its possible to use it like a user (thought its user interface), add it plug-ins (in scheme or python), and use it in a batch mode. But I want to extend it to allow to use its api from another program (suppose i had a console program and I need to edit a photograph, it would be nice to have access to a libgimp utility -and all its dependencies files- with the minimum install process). I think you misunderstood what libgimp is doing. There is no image manipulation functionality in libgimp. libgimp is just used to allow the GIMP core and it's plug-ins to communicate. Without the GIMP core running, libgimp is useless. So you can't build an application, link to libgimp and use all the GIMP functionality. What you can do is to write a plug-in that communicates with a running GIMP process (or even to gimp-console, which is a gimp binary without the user interface). Does GEGL work like Mariano thought libgimp work? In that case, it is maybe a better idea to start looking at GEGL, has it will be, in the future, the image manipulation library used in The Gimp... -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : /lists/gimp-developer/attachments/20060719/fe16887b/attachment-0001.bin ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
