Re: [Gimp-developer] Yes, you can help even if you can't code
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 10:20:25PM +0200, Daniel Egger wrote: > > I love sablotron. It is fast and very easy to use. Also, it has almost > > every feature of the XSLT standar. > > I see, how long would it take to transform into HTML compared to Jade? sablotron is very fast, look this: $ wc -l enlaces.xml gimp.xsl 544 enlaces.xml 400 gimp.xsl 944 total $ time sabcmd gimp.xsl enlaces.xml > /dev/null real 0m0.542s user 0m0.540s sys 0m0.000s And with jade: $ wc -l gimp1.sgml 460 gimp1.sgml $ time db2html gimp1.sgml > /dev/null real 0m5.465s user 0m4.810s sys 0m0.290s In gimp.es.gnome.org, we have a lot of XMLs files which are transformed to HTML or PHP using sablotron, and it takes a few time to complete the process. > > > When you "XSLT files" you must say "XSLT file". Unlike DocBook, with > > XSLT we only will be able to produce one file, instead of one by > > . > > > Anyway, it will be easy :) > > So we cannot slice the HTML output into several files? That's sort of a > problem, really. It took quite some time to figure out how to get Jade > to do that and still releases are a pain in the neck because there's a > lot which has do be done manually still. Well, this is a problem if you want all text in a few files, but slice the content in a lot of files makes easier transforming to HTML, or other format. Moreover, it will be easier to keep and write :) BTW, another solution could be use the XSLT to make intermediates files and, with a script (perl, python...), create the definitives files. That is: we have one XML, using XSLT we transform it in a pre-HTML (without headers), and with the script we split it in severals files and add to it the headers (both HTML and content headers). -- Ayose Cazorla León Debian GNU/Linux - setepo ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Yes, you can help even if you can't code.
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 06:55:56PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Ayose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > we will most likely need at least one XLST that extracts a much > > > simpler format to be used in the About dialog. > > > > How "simpler"? Something like > > > > name, author (email), comments > > all we need are simple list of names. Or do we want email addresses in > the about dialog and the AUTHORS file? I think not. The transformation > wouldn't be a real XSLT since what we need as output format is not > actually XML. I'd like to generate the plain-text file AUTHORS as well > as the header file app/gui/authors.h from the XML file. Wait a moment, please. Who says that XSLT only works with XML? With XSLT you can transform a XML file in everything: a plain-text, HTML, a new XML or even in C source. You only need put in the top-level. http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt.html#section-Text-Output-Method > > Commenting on your proposal, I'd say that it probably makes sense to > organize the XML file by persons because we need more than only > plug-ins. So I was wrong > We also want to list core developers, tool authors, help > writers, web masters, screen designers, just everyone who contributed > to The GIMP. Well, imaging you want to know only his/her name and email, and put a comment about he/she The XML: the name email A little comment For every person will be a entry. And, for instance, if you want to get a list like name1, work1 name2, work2 name3, work3 [...] The XSLT will be http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform";> , There are a lot of chars, but the code is simple. :) Of course, with the same XML you can get a more detailed list about people. -- Ayose Cazorla León Debian GNU/Linux - setepo ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Yes, you can help even if you can't code.
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 06:02:44PM +0200, Daniel Egger wrote: > > gimp-help is written in DocBook/SGML It should be DockBook/XML :) > which is converted to HTML to be > suitable for online-browsing and the help-browser plugin for GIMP. There > are HTML and PS/PDF DSSSL stylesheets which can be used to produce > either the HTML or some (buttugly) PS/PDF file; also we have an > experimental DocBook->LaTeX converter written in python by me which > tends to produce much better PDF output. Yes, I have seen it, but I think that it is better XSLT instead of python, because XSLT is more easy and it was designed for this kind of jobs :-). However, XSLT could be insufficient if the LaTeX generated is very complex. The loops and conditionals in XSLT are very basics, and variables and parameters are limited. > > The DocBook source is written such that the conversion to XML is merely > changing the DTD to an XML one; in short: it is already supposed to be > valid XML. It just hadn't been done so far because the tools were not > mature and fast enough last time I looked but if they were now > > So what we need is: > - A featurerich (and possibly FAST!) XSLT processor I love sablotron. It is fast and very easy to use. Also, it has almost every feature of the XSLT standar. > - XSLT files and CSS stylesheets to produce XHTML which looks nice in > nowadays webbrowsers When you "XSLT files" you must say "XSLT file". Unlike DocBook, with XSLT we only will be able to produce one file, instead of one by . Anyway, it will be easy :) Well. If you want, look my work in http://gimp.es.gnome.org (spanish). The tutorials (http://gimp.es.gnome.org/manuales.php) are written in a new XML vocabulary. For instance, the XML file http://www.es.gnome.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/web-xml/gimp.es.gnome.org/manuales/ilustracion/index.xml?rev=1.3&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=GNOME will generate http://gimp.es.gnome.org/manuales/ilustracion/ using the XSLT http://www.es.gnome.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/web-xml/gimp.es.gnome.org/gimp.xsl?rev=1.36&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=GNOME > - XSLT files which produce output which is grokkable by the (new?) > helpbrowser plugin; That means we either need simple HTML files for > something like the current plugin or some other (new?) simple > fileformat which allows for additional features which also need to be > defined. This has to be discussed with the person(s) who will code > that (and that certainly won't be me). So we need two XSLT files > > This need a lot of planning and someone with your experience can > possibly bring in some thoughts which would be really appreciated. > Of course :). If I'm useful for GIMP I will work here. What do you need? -- Ayose Cazorla León Debian GNU/Linux - setepo ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Yes, you can help even if you can't code.
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 03:51:05PM +0200, Daniel Egger wrote: > Am Sam, 2002-05-04 um 15.41 schrieb Ayose: > > > If you need help with a XSLT I will help you pleased :-) > > Actually if you have experience in that area it would be nice if > you could help out with the gimp-help project. I know well the XSLT specification, and I have written a lot of lines of XSLT ;) Where is info about gimp-help? In http://www.gimp.org/mailing_list.html there is no list for it :/, but I have downloaded the gimp-help module for CVS. What can I do?, look at bugs.gimp.org? ;) -- Ayose Cazorla León Debian GNU/Linux - setepo ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Yes, you can help even if you can't code.
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 03:48:20PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Ayose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > AlienMap > > > >Daniel Cotting > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.mygale.org/~cotting > > > > > > > > > > > >74.0 > >only C files counted > > > > > > > > would it make sense to organize the file by persons instead of > plug-ins? I have no strong feelings either way but I think it should > be considered at least. By persons? No... With that format the plugins are described inside , and every plugin is led by , so the file is organized by plug-ins. Where are you seeing that the organize is by persons? My english is not very good, so if I didn't explain it correctly, please, notice me :) > > > If you need help with a XSLT I will help you pleased :-) > > we will most likely need at least one XLST that extracts a much > simpler format to be used in the About dialog. How "simpler"? Something like name, author (email), comments -- Ayose Cazorla León Debian GNU/Linux - setepo ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Yes, you can help even if you can't code.
On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 01:31:27PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > just in case that anyone out there feels bored and useless, here's a > list of things you can do to help us with GIMP-1.3 even if you can't > (or don't want to) code. The items appear in no particular order. > > > (2) There are some files that list contributors and plug-in > maintainers (namely the files PLUGIN_MAINTAINERS and > tools/contributors). I'd like to keep this information in one XML > file that is then used for several purposes: To extract info to > display in the about dialog and to handle maintainance of > plug-ins and bug-reports. The XML approach would have several > advantages. It allows to specify an encoding, so we could use > UTF-8 to be able to show contributor names in the way they are > written natively. We can add all sort of meta information like > email address, bugzilla account, CVS account and what parts of > the code the specific person has contributed to or maintains. > I'd welcome if someone could sit down and come up with a proposal > how such an XML file could be organized. You don't need to write > a DTD, an example would do. The PLUGIN_MAINTAINERS has this --- NAME : AlienMap AUTHOR : Daniel Cotting ([EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.mygale.org/~cotting) MAINTAINER : SIZE : 74.0 kB in 1 file (only C files counted) COMMENT: --- That could be AlienMap Daniel Cotting [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mygale.org/~cotting 74.0 only C files counted If you need help with a XSLT I will help you pleased :-) -- Ayose Cazorla León Debian GNU/Linux - setepo ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
