Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 01:48:13PM -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: > At 02:13 PM 02/05/2004, Carol Spears wrote: > >okay, i dont really like script-fu. i cant read it and it has this way > >of not telling gimp when it has made an image. > > I am starting to notice a lot of people saying they don't like Script-Fu. > As for not being able to read it, that is not helped by the fact that the > sample scripts are what I would call obfuscated. By treating the scripts > like any other computer program, the proper use of white space and bracket > placement greatly improves ones ability to read a script and see the syntax > of the language of the script. One of the tutorials I saw for Guile makes a > mention of this and shows the Scheme code formatted much better than > anything in any of the existing Script-Fu scripts. > when i first started to look at the scripts, script-fu and gimp-perl madeno sense to me equally, however i could easily recognize the gimp parts. iworked with gimp-perl first for the simple reason that there weretutorials, not only for gimp-perl but also for the perl parts alone.also books with examples. in the ultra-truth, due to a search error on my part, my first "gimpscript" was a gtk-perl stand alone that tried to answer some of the newwindow gimp users issues with the linux .somethinguseful/here dot files.i didnt recognize a gimp on windows user at that time so the wholeproject was just silly. i wrote "Hello World" and "Totally Remove"(that would clean the xvpics out at the same time). that was back in 2000 i think. lately, i still cannot read the perl or the script-fu around the gimp commands and i find it just easier to skip to the monthly (or so blog) located at http://www.paulgraham.com than it is to remember what "cab" means. even more recently, i discover that script-fu/LISP is an old fashioned thing that many people dont even think about any more. > Is the Script-Fu interpreter supposed to specifically tell GIMP when it has > made an image? What function call do other plug-ins use to tell GIMP when > they have made an image? > i might not be describing the problem i had with it properly. i wrote a script (in python) where a script-fu made an image that was used by gimp. my script did not know the image that the script-fu had made. there were two solutions to the problem, eventually. instead there was the equivelent of a fist fight on the irc between me and one of the script-fu writers that left me and his/her friends laughing. > >yet, even if there is one user of gimp on windows, these users are used > >to one button making of images and some of the functions that the > >scripts give to gimp. i think there would be a lot more griping and > >tutorial pointing if you do anything to make it so it is difficult to > >install the script thing. > > If Script-Fu gets dropped in favour of something else at some point, a > Windows installer for the GIMP could be updated to include the extra > library or dll needed to use the Script-Fu replacement to keep the > installation easy for Windows users. In a Linux (*nix) environment, the > GIMP package would only need users to have an additional package installed > in order to use the replacement. I don't see installation as being a big > issue. It can be handled in the best way once a replacement is available. > while i have seen a lot of things written in python that i could not read; i can make some sense out of the gimp-python scripts and it seems to be easier to learn with it and get help with it. at least as far as gimp is concerned. python cannot be included in gimp source. what was nice about moving the old scripts and the old server along with this new gimp was that one button functionality the new users might need and want more than the older (ie pre-gimp on windows users) prefer. i knew if i ever got it to work on my moms computer, those scripts would be there carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?
At 02:13 PM 02/05/2004, Carol Spears wrote: okay, i dont really like script-fu. i cant read it and it has this way of not telling gimp when it has made an image. I am starting to notice a lot of people saying they don't like Script-Fu. As for not being able to read it, that is not helped by the fact that the sample scripts are what I would call obfuscated. By treating the scripts like any other computer program, the proper use of white space and bracket placement greatly improves ones ability to read a script and see the syntax of the language of the script. One of the tutorials I saw for Guile makes a mention of this and shows the Scheme code formatted much better than anything in any of the existing Script-Fu scripts. Is the Script-Fu interpreter supposed to specifically tell GIMP when it has made an image? What function call do other plug-ins use to tell GIMP when they have made an image? yet, even if there is one user of gimp on windows, these users are used to one button making of images and some of the functions that the scripts give to gimp. i think there would be a lot more griping and tutorial pointing if you do anything to make it so it is difficult to install the script thing. If Script-Fu gets dropped in favour of something else at some point, a Windows installer for the GIMP could be updated to include the extra library or dll needed to use the Script-Fu replacement to keep the installation easy for Windows users. In a Linux (*nix) environment, the GIMP package would only need users to have an additional package installed in order to use the replacement. I don't see installation as being a big issue. It can be handled in the best way once a replacement is available. Cheers! Kevin. (http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/) Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172|"What are we going to do today, Borg?" E-mail:kcozens at interlog dot com|"Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: Packet:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Try to assimilate the world!" #include| -Pinkutus & the Borg ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?
hiya, On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:42:24PM +0100, Simon Budig wrote: > Ooops, that should have been gone to the ML as well... > > Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Include a GUILE in the Gimp sourcecode, make sure that it doesn't > > > conflict with other GUILEs on the target system and use it as the GIMPs > > > default language. Perfectly fine with me as long as I have a language > > > that is guaranteed to be available for 99% of the GIMP installations. > > > > I don't think we should do that simply because I don't see what is so > > important about having a self-contained scripting language. I'd rather > > like to see three or four well-maintained and working scripting > > languages that can be installed separately. > > It is pretty easy to see why a default scripting language is important, > and I guess it is your grumpiness against script-fu that prevents you > from seeing it. > > When somebody on IRC has a problem that is cumbersome in the UI, but can > be solved with three or four PDB calls (e.g. "Flip Layer menu entry") > I'd hate to tell him that he has to install a monster like Perl/Python > or whatever, to be able to use my quickly hacked three line solution. > And even if he has Perl installed, I could not provide a script for him, > because I only know about Python and Script-Fu. I don't want to be a > master in all bindings available for gimp, just to be able to provide > such a thing. I want to focus on one or two languages. > > This has happened in the past and Script Fu was a nice solution for > stuff like that. And that is the reason why it is important to have a > simple language available always. > okay, i dont really like script-fu. i cant read it and it has this way of not telling gimp when it has made an image. yet, even if there is one user of gimp on windows, these users are used to one button making of images and some of the functions that the scripts give to gimp. i think there would be a lot more griping and tutorial pointing if you do anything to make it so it is difficult to install the script thing. about guile, do we even know those people? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
