Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: > [...] optional patch > that provides and easy way to remove the name GIMP from the UI, > replacing it for a different one? > > Now, seriously. What do devs think about this idea? If somebody provided > a good patch for building GIMP easily with a different name as an > option, would you accept that patch? No. It would only play into the hands we already have with fake packagers who sell Gimp without mentioning the Gimp brand name and without mentioning that Gimp is available for free as well. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On 15 April 2015 at 05:40, Simon Budig wrote: > Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: >> [...] optional patch >> that provides and easy way to remove the name GIMP from the UI, >> replacing it for a different one? >> >> Now, seriously. What do devs think about this idea? If somebody provided >> a good patch for building GIMP easily with a different name as an >> option, would you accept that patch? > > No. It would only play into the hands we already have with fake > packagers who sell Gimp without mentioning the Gimp brand name and > without mentioning that Gimp is available for free as well. Indeed - Mr. Bagot - I think the best approach you have is write the Software name in full in all possible instances (e-mails, documents, letters, etc...) - just write "GNU Image Manipulation Program" - and leave the acronym as if it did not exist in all written documents. In my experience, name connotations are a matter os perception, and many times it just hit us in certain contexts - and may not bother our neighbors at all. For example, it was only when phrasing this paragraph I stopped to think about the sound of your last name would have in my native language, and the possible linked connotations - but just because I forced myself to think into it in this context. Just as I don expect a full 400 million Spanish speakers to think of me as a "good" person. Best regards, js -><- > > Bye, > Simon > > -- > si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ > ___ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On 04/15/2015 08:19 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: On 15 April 2015 at 05:40, Simon Budig wrote: No. It would only play into the hands we already have with fake packagers who sell Gimp without mentioning the Gimp brand name and without mentioning that Gimp is available for free as well. Indeed - Mr. Bagot - I think the best approach you have is write the Software name in full in all possible instances (e-mails, documents, letters, etc...) - just write "GNU Image Manipulation Program" - and leave the acronym as if it did not exist in all written documents. In my experience, name connotations are a matter os perception, and many times it just hit us in certain contexts - and may not bother our neighbors at all. For example, it was only when phrasing this paragraph I stopped to think about the sound of your last name would have in my native language, and the possible linked connotations - but just because I forced myself to think into it in this context. Just as I don expect a full 400 million Spanish speakers to think of me as a "good" person. Exactly. Software developers shouldn't be required to choose names that are free of all unwanted connotations in all languages, especially given that new unwanted connotations spring up just as fast as old unwanted connotations fade away. Connotations are in people's mind, not in actual words. I am a native English speaker, but I didn't "hear" the unwanted connotations in the word GIMP until a couple of friends snickered, which reflects rather more badly on their minds than it does on the name "GIMP". Best, Elle ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015, 4:41 AM Simon Budig wrote: > > Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: > > > > If somebody provided > > a good patch for building GIMP easily with a different name as an > > option, would you accept that patch? > > No. It would only play into the hands we already have with fake > packagers who sell Gimp without mentioning the Gimp brand name and > without mentioning that Gimp is available for free as well. Sounds like closing the barn door after the horses have all escaped. Rockwalrus ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
El mié, 15-04-2015 a las 10:43 -0400, Elle Stone escribió: > On 04/15/2015 08:19 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > > On 15 April 2015 at 05:40, Simon Budig wrote: > > >> No. It would only play into the hands we already have with fake > >> packagers who sell Gimp without mentioning the Gimp brand name and > >> without mentioning that Gimp is available for free as well. > > > > > > Indeed - > > Mr. Bagot - > > I think the best approach you have is write the Software name in full > > in all possible instances > > (e-mails, documents, letters, etc...) - just write "GNU Image > > Manipulation Program" - and leave > > the acronym as if it did not exist in all written documents. > > ... > > Exactly. Software developers shouldn't be required to choose names that > are free of all unwanted connotations in all languages, especially given > that new unwanted connotations spring up just as fast as old unwanted > connotations fade away. > > Connotations are in people's mind, not in actual words. I am a native > English speaker, but I didn't "hear" the unwanted connotations in the > word GIMP until a couple of friends snickered, which reflects rather > more badly on their minds than it does on the name "GIMP". Guys, don't get me wrong. I didn't suggest that the name has to be changed or that it's even possible to choose a name that is 100% free of accidental connotations for a project. I just threw an idea about a possible solution for people who wanted to use GIMP but had troubles with the name. A patch for changing the name in the UI. You live in an area where the name of the program could be a problem? then build GIMP using the patch. Maybe changing the name isn't even required. What about just adding punctuation to make the the acronym thing more obvious? So, to be clear: what about a patch that replaces the few places in the UI the name GIMP with G.I.M.P.? Not for everyone, just for the people who want to use GIMP but have issues with the name. Personally I'd prefer that people can get over this kind of stuff and do nothing about the name, but the prospect of over-sensitive people keeping GIMP out of children schools because of the name makes me wonder if a little compromise isn't a reasonable idea. It's not the end of the world, and there are several precedents of products that were renamed for specific markets. The funniest one I know is the case of the Mitsubishi Pajero, that was renamed to Mitsubishi Montero because "pajero" means "wanker" in several spanish speaking countries. That's far worse than spanish people expecting Joao to be good :-) Gez. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
