Re: [Gimp-user] doing with the gimp what www.scanR.com does

2006-02-06 Thread Tom Williams
John R. Culleton wrote:
> On Monday 06 February 2006 01:10 am, peer miaskowski wrote:
>   
>> Hi list!
>>
>> Is it possible to do with the gimp (automatically?) what www.scanR.com
>> 
>  does?
>
> On Linux systems Xsane, a scanner program, is a useful plugin. 
>   
Yep, it works very well. :)

John, I've been sending you e-mail but I don't know if you've been
getting it.  Check your junk mail folder just in case.  :)

Peace...

Tom
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Re: [Gimp-user] Paths dialog

2006-02-06 Thread Alex Feldman
> "Joao" == Joao S O Bueno Calligaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Joao> I do not understand your point

I wasn't trying to make a point, just trying to figure out how things
work. 

Joao> A path is an independent image element - It does not "show" in the
Joao> final rendering of the images at all.

Joao> It is just a template, like a ruler, for stroking, or filling, or
Joao> making selections.  So, once you make a path, you can strike its
Joao> countour in any layer you like. Just select the desired layer in
Joao> the layers dialog, the desired path in the paths dialog, and
Joao> edit->stroke path.

Ah.  Thank you.  I think I get it.  Actual image elements live in
layers, as I understood it.  Templates that don't show up in the image
itself don't live in layers.  That makes perfect sense (hope I've got it
right). 

Thanks, and thanks also to Carol, Doug and Michael.

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Re: [Gimp-user] doing with the gimp what www.scanR.com does

2006-02-06 Thread John R. Culleton
On Monday 06 February 2006 01:10 am, peer miaskowski wrote:
> Hi list!
>
> Is it possible to do with the gimp (automatically?) what www.scanR.com
 does?

On Linux systems Xsane, a scanner program, is a useful plugin. 
-- 
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[Gimp-user] creating a "line art" channel or layer in GIMP

2006-02-06 Thread Dave M G

GIMP Users,

   I'm a long time and proficient PhotoShop user trying to learn how to 
work in GIMP.


   My goal is to colour comic book style images using GIMP. I'm okay 
with not having CMYK support, as my images are most likely to appear on 
the web.


   What I do is scan inked images with Xsane as line art. Then what I 
want to do is create a layer that is pure black, and use the scanned 
image as an alpha channel for that layer. That way I can add colours 
underneath the layer, without affecting the line art.


   However, I'm stuck as to exactly how to create that alpha channel. I 
can create an alpha channel for a layer, but I can neither paste the 
line art image into that alpha channel, nor can I seem to invert the 
image so the right parts are transparent and the right parts are opaque.


   Can anyone provide instructions or direct me to a tutorial for this 
sort of thing? I will gladly RTFM if someone can show me where in the FM 
to R.


   Also, I have other concerns on the horizon which pertain to 
colouring inked comic images using GIMP. Things like ensuring there is 
no anti-aliasing when I use any of the tools. There are lots of 
tutorials of this nature for PhotoShop, but I was unable to find any 
that had GIMP specific instructions. If anyone knows of good directions 
for comic art using GIMP, that would help a lot.


   I look forward to any advice, and hope to hear from you soon.

   Thank you.

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Re: [Gimp-user] doing with the gimp what www.scanR.com does

2006-02-06 Thread Michael Schumacher
> Von: Geoffrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
> I doubt there's any software that is going to 'magically' align and 
> correct errors in a photographed document.  Really, how does it know 
> what's a shadow verses a border or such?

Alignment is quite easy, though. Seen it on a mobile phone for business
cards. It's all basic image recognition tasks (somewhat simplified, the
process is formalized pretty well):

- extract primtives (e.g. the border of the card, the corners)
- connect them to shapes (some kind of trapezoid, for the business card)
- compare the shape with known shapes (the aren't that many different views)
- if we have a match, apply perspective corrections (trapezoid -> rectangle)
- if an error occured, display the message


HTH,
Michael

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Re: [Gimp-user] Paths dialog

2006-02-06 Thread Michael Schumacher
> Von: Alex Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
> OK, but this brings up the larger question - I thought the whole point
> of layers was that every element of the image would live in one layer
> and the image could be manipulated that way.  I guess I saw it as being
> like a train - to be on the train, you had to be in one of the cars.
> You could not be in more than one car at once, and you could not be on
> the train without being in a car.

You can be on a car, for example. Or under it. Both are things that a common
to many action films, at least those involving trains.
You can also change the car while on the train, and only your inability to
clone yourself prevents you from leaving copies in each car.

> Do layers work this way, but only for certain kinds of elements?  And if
> so, what is ruling philosophy that determines whether an element will be
> limited to one layer?

A layer is just a surface you can paint on, vectors are drawn (GIMP
distiguishes between draw and paint). Selections are also not part of a
layer, just the things (color, pattern, ...) you fill them with is.


HTH,
Michael

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Re: [Gimp-user] doing with the gimp what www.scanR.com does

2006-02-06 Thread Geoffrey

peer miaskowski wrote:

Hi list!

Is it possible to do with the gimp (automatically?) what www.scanR.com does?


I'm not sure you would want it to.  Seems the primary function of scanr 
is scanning and sending, neither of which is native to GIMP.  At least I 
don't think so.  I do see that it cleans up the image, but I suspect 
that's a lot of propaganda.  They'll certainly show you the best efforts 
the software makes.


I doubt there's any software that is going to 'magically' align and 
correct errors in a photographed document.  Really, how does it know 
what's a shadow verses a border or such?


I'd suggest you're probably better off sending the image with your phone 
to an email and then cleaning it up by hand.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Paths dialog

2006-02-06 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Monday 06 February 2006 10:36 am, Alex Feldman wrote:
> > "Carol" == Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Carol> layers and paths are two different things.  the dance floor
> and Carol> the dance steps, perhaps.  the dance steps are not
> limited by the Carol> location the same way paths are not limited
> to a single layer.
>
> OK, but this brings up the larger question - I thought the whole
> point of layers was that every element of the image would live in
> one layer and the image could be manipulated that way.  I guess I
> saw it as being like a train - to be on the train, you had to be in
> one of the cars. You could not be in more than one car at once, and
> you could not be on the train without being in a car.
>
> Do layers work this way, but only for certain kinds of elements? 
> And if so, what is ruling philosophy that determines whether an
> element will be limited to one layer?

I do not understand your point

A path is an independent image element - It does not "show"  in the 
final rendering of the images at all.

It is just a template, like a ruler, for stroking, or filling, or 
making selections.
So, once you make a path, you can strike its countour in any layer you 
like. Just select the desired layer in the layers dialog, the desired 
path in the paths dialog, and edit->stroke path.

If things were like you are wishing, this flexibility would not exist

If you are not using a path, it won't be in your way, it is not a 
"visible" image element, just some meta element to add image 
elements.


>
> Thanks.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Paths dialog

2006-02-06 Thread Alex Feldman
> "Carol" == Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Carol> layers and paths are two different things.  the dance floor and
Carol> the dance steps, perhaps.  the dance steps are not limited by the
Carol> location the same way paths are not limited to a single layer.

OK, but this brings up the larger question - I thought the whole point
of layers was that every element of the image would live in one layer
and the image could be manipulated that way.  I guess I saw it as being
like a train - to be on the train, you had to be in one of the cars.
You could not be in more than one car at once, and you could not be on
the train without being in a car.

Do layers work this way, but only for certain kinds of elements?  And if
so, what is ruling philosophy that determines whether an element will be
limited to one layer?

Thanks.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Paths dialog

2006-02-06 Thread Carol Spears
On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 08:03:19PM -0700, Alex Feldman wrote:
> 
> But it seems as if the paths don't just live in one layer.  Isn't
> normally the case than when you do something (like create a path), you
> do it in the active layer, and then you can not only toggle visibility
> of whatever you created with the layer eye-cons, but you could delete it
> by deleting the layer, etc.  In other words, the object lived in that
> layer, and only in that layer.  But that doesn't seem to be the case for
> paths - they don't really live in any layer, you can get rid of the
> layer which was active when you created it, and the path remains.
> 
layers and paths are two different things.  the dance floor and the
dance steps, perhaps.  the dance steps are not limited  by the location
the same way paths are not limited to a single layer.

> Please point me to a tutorial or the manual section (I've looked,
> really) which describes this, or clue me in directly.
> 
i haven't seen anything written about this yet.

carol

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